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TWA 800 - Still a Clinton federal government coverup.
The Radio Patriot ^ | April 13, 2011 | Andrea Shea King

Posted on 04/13/2011 9:04:54 PM PDT by patriotgal1787

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During an email conversation with one of my radio show listeners -- retired airline pilot JetDriver2 -- the topic of the DC-10 aircraft came up then quickly shifted over to TWA 800 and its mysterious plunge from the sky over Long Island. The conversation went from there. With his permission I have reprinted it here.

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TWA was acquired by American two months after my retirement in Nov 2000. We never recovered from the July 1996 shoot-down of TWA 800 described by Jack Cashill in his book “First Strike”. This was a massive cover-up (for which I have personal evidence) ordered by Bill Clinton, who also ordered the assassination of Ron Brown described in another Cashill book “Ron Brown’s Body” which I recently read.

Yes TWA 800 was absolutely shot down. The FAA knows it and the FBI knows it. There was explosive residue on the seat cushions and a hole in the reconstructed fuselage. Many pieces of the wreckage were confiscated by the FBI and never seen again, including pieces identified by TWA volunteers working in the hangar at Calverton as showing missile damage.

There is no way that jet fuel fumes in an empty center fuel tank could have blown up that plane. Jet fuel is not volatile and is very difficult to ignite, nor was there enough energy in the residual fuel in the center tank to produce an explosion of that magnitude. There is testimony on this point by scientists.

There is an audiotape of an ANG helicopter pilot who was a former Navy Search and Rescue pilot in Vietnam, and who is also an attorney on Long Island. He was shooting a practice approach in the direction of the TWA 800 explosion. He testified that he saw the missile trail and he saw the explosion – it was an ordnance explosion, not a fuel explosion. This guy is familiar with anti-aircraft missiles and with military ordnance. Read the entire piece at The Radio Patriot.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: fbi; kallstrom; ntsb; twa800
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1 posted on 04/13/2011 9:04:58 PM PDT by patriotgal1787
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To: patriotgal1787

I agree 100%.....


2 posted on 04/13/2011 9:17:09 PM PDT by astratt7 (obama,muslim,politics)
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To: patriotgal1787
These "The US Navy shot down TWA 800" stories are so idiotic, so ridiculously stupid and outrageously inane, people who suggest them, peddle them and hint at them need to be ridiculed with unbridled passion.

To launch a missile from a US Navy ship requires the EXPLICIT compliance both before and after the fact of literally hundreds of people. HUNDREDS - none of whom have come forward, not one - no one, nada, zip, zero.

The government (apparently) can keep that secret, but they can't keep some fraternity hazing pictures secret from Abu Grahib, or a bank monitoring program in Switzerland, or the communications between ambassadors and Secretaries of State.

The stupidity and gullibility of some of our citizens is remarkable, even breathtaking.

I'm sure all the people who witnessed this directly or MUSt have known about the missing ordinance either on the ship, on the bridge, in the weapon's stores, in the ordinance supply ships, or in the logistics and procurement offices must all be buried next to the space aliens from Roswell, NM.

3 posted on 04/13/2011 9:20:48 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: patriotgal1787

I have always had questions about this. In how many airliner “accidents” can anyone recall that the FBI was in charge? I don’t remember any.

If after the investigation got going and it was determined there was no foul play then why did the FBI continue to run the investigation right to the end? Why not just turn it back over to the people at the NTSB?

I used to have a few more questions but as time has gone buy I don’t remember them anymore.


4 posted on 04/13/2011 9:22:03 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: OldDeckHand

Evening Old Deck Hand,

thought you might like to watch this:

http://raylahr.entryhost.com/Videos/web/MajorFredMeyer.html


5 posted on 04/13/2011 9:24:27 PM PDT by patriotgal1787 ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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To: OldDeckHand
These "The US Navy shot down TWA 800" stories are so idiotic, so ridiculously stupid and outrageously inane, people who suggest them, peddle them and hint at them need to be ridiculed with unbridled passion.

I agree that the Navy did not shoot it down.
6 posted on 04/13/2011 9:26:54 PM PDT by microgood
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To: OldDeckHand

SOMEBODY shot down TWA 800. Only a sheep would believe the “center fuel tank explosion” lie.


7 posted on 04/13/2011 9:27:31 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Parley Baer
If after the investigation got going and it was determined there was no foul play then why did the FBI continue to run the investigation right to the end?

Not only that, it was the CIA that gave the presentation about how the plane climbed 6000 feet straight up and all that other miraculous stuff.
8 posted on 04/13/2011 9:29:09 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Parley Baer

I remember this, as well and have the same reaction you do:

“I used to have a few more questions but as time has gone buy I don’t remember them anymore.”

I guess this is exactly what the government wants-—concerned citizens who question an American tragedy to be kept “on hold” for so damned many years, that they “forget” the incident and the questions that seared their brains at the time.

That tactic isn’t going to work anymore, with the new media.

“Ordinary” people keep “records” of everything, now. (thank God!!!)


9 posted on 04/13/2011 9:30:23 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Parley Baer

And why did the FBI threaten outside investigators?


10 posted on 04/13/2011 9:30:27 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: patriotgal1787

I knew a man who was a Boeing crash inspector - worked for Boeing. I asked him about TWA800 about 10 years ago.

He said, “It was a missile.”


11 posted on 04/13/2011 9:31:39 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: patriotgal1787

Bttt.


12 posted on 04/13/2011 9:31:39 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: microgood

My ex-wife, who is the least scientifically oriented or aviation oriented soul on Earth said at the time, “Who the hell do they think they’re fooling?”


13 posted on 04/13/2011 9:33:21 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: patriotgal1787
"thought you might like to watch this:"

Wow, that's convincing. A guy who was in a helicopter thought it looked like a missile explosion. /s

As someone who has practiced law for 27-years, I can tell you without equivocation that the most unreliable evidence you can EVER introduce into a court of law, is someone's eyewitness testimony. This isn't even that.

Lex parsimoniae has stood the test of time for a reason.

A government "coverup" involving hundreds of people over (almost) 20-years is hardly the simplest explanation.

14 posted on 04/13/2011 9:34:47 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Give up. Trying to convince these conspiracy wackos is like trying to teach a pig to dance:

1: You can’t win
2: It’s just a waste of time
3: It only frustrates the pig

I know who really did it. It was Colonel, I mean Admiral Mustard with the lead pipe in the Conservatory.


15 posted on 04/13/2011 9:35:46 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

He said it was a missile. Hell, that convinces me! Where or where did all the rest of us ever miss all that convincing evidence!!!!!!!!!!


16 posted on 04/13/2011 9:37:39 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: buccaneer81
"SOMEBODY shot down TWA 800."

Yes, it was space aliens. They were here to meet Tom Cruise and John Travolta in a NY city gay bathhouse, or something. They took TWA 800 as a hostile threat, and acted accordingly.

17 posted on 04/13/2011 9:37:54 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: PetroniusMaximus
It was either a missile or a meteor strike. But meteors don't launch from the Earth's surface.

It was a missile. The American people are so dense that they never see the truth. Thank God 9/11 was live on dozens of channels, or else the MSM would have called all the targets "structural failure caused by poor Republican design decades earlier."

18 posted on 04/13/2011 9:39:08 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: patriotgal1787

Yeah, those gas tanks will just go up in a ball of fire at anytime.Funny I never heard of another one doing that, ever.Boeing doesnt make junk.Airbust on the other hand...I dont buy that our military had anything to do with it but I do buy that the bird was brought down by a missle.


19 posted on 04/13/2011 9:41:08 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: OldDeckHand
300 witnesses are wrong? The fuel residue on the seat material is wrong?

What's your interest in the cover up?

20 posted on 04/13/2011 9:42:13 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: patriotgal1787
Did anyone ever stop to think that these scammers like “Radio Patriot” are all, in the end, selling something from their or a linked website.

The more emotional BS they can post, the more fools come to their sites.

It's all about $, and moving them from our pockets to theirs.

21 posted on 04/13/2011 9:42:30 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Spot on.


22 posted on 04/13/2011 9:43:21 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: MindBender26

“He said it was a missile. Hell, that convinces me! Where or where did all the rest of us ever miss all that convincing evidence!!!!!!!!!!”

Just relaying what I was told.


23 posted on 04/13/2011 9:43:49 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: OldDeckHand
As someone who has practiced law for 27-years,

You lawyers think you're God.

24 posted on 04/13/2011 9:45:40 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you if ...........

:)


25 posted on 04/13/2011 9:48:18 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: OldDeckHand

God forbid a 27-year lawyer might ever be duped by facts. No siree. No one’s getting anything over on you. I’m almost as impressed with you as you are with yourself.

Even Thomas doubted it was Jesus when he saw him with his own eyes. Get over yourself. You’re nothing new. History’s full of old deck hands...


26 posted on 04/13/2011 9:50:23 PM PDT by patriotgal1787 ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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To: OldDeckHand
As someone who has practiced law for 27-years, I can tell you without equivocation that the most unreliable evidence you can EVER introduce into a court of law, is someone's eyewitness testimony.

No, actually the most unreliable evidence that can be introduced is that by Federal government officials. In fact I cannot think of one true statement that has been uttered by a government employee in the last 20 years. Certainly nothing from FBI, DEA, CIA, Homeland Security, EPA, ATF, CDC could ever be believed.

The only way anyone should believe anything from the Federal Government has to say is if their story is corroborated by many other sources, which did not happen in this case.
27 posted on 04/13/2011 9:50:52 PM PDT by microgood
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To: buccaneer81
"300 witnesses are wrong?"

There is nothing more unreliable than people on the ground describing what they see happening in the sky, especially when what's happening is MILES from where they're located.

"What's your interest in the cover up?"

Of course, it's a "cover up". It would be the biggest cover-up since the moon landings were faked, or something.

Anyone who thinks that the federal government, to include a variety of elements of the US military and most of the 2nd Fleet, can "cover up" anything, let alone something as big as this, really has NOT been paying attention to the incompetence of our government for the last 50-years.

28 posted on 04/13/2011 9:52:10 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: MindBender26

“I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you if ...........”

The guy did work for Boeing and he traveled the country inspecting crash sites. He was the father of a friend of mine.


29 posted on 04/13/2011 9:53:15 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: patriotgal1787

I thought that plane was brought down when obamas birth certificate was sucked into one of the engines....


30 posted on 04/13/2011 9:54:31 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
"Funny I never heard of another one doing that, ever"

Well, if you haven't heard of it, it must mean that it's entirely impossible, or something.

Gee, I wonder why it's SOP for the US military to have inerting systems on all its combat aircraft and many logistical aircraft?

Aircraft engineers on commercial aircraft have suggested such systems on passengers aircraft YEARS before this tragedy. Why wasn't it required? Too expensive - the cost-benefit math didn't make sense.

It still doesn't make sense, but that doesn't mean there isn't a danger.

31 posted on 04/13/2011 9:57:43 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

The nutters all magically and inexplicably switched from “The Navy shot it down” after 9/11 to “terrorists shot it down.”


32 posted on 04/13/2011 10:00:24 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: OldDeckHand

I guess you never heard of the Warren Commission.


33 posted on 04/13/2011 10:02:23 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: OldDeckHand
Anyone who thinks that the federal government, to include a variety of elements of the US military and most of the 2nd Fleet, can "cover up" anything, let alone something as big as this, really has NOT been paying attention to the incompetence of our government for the last 50-years.

But if it was a terrorist attack, then the number of people involved shrinks rapidly, and those picking up the pieces only have a piece of the puzzle.

Anyone who believes the official explanation is incedibly naive.
34 posted on 04/13/2011 10:03:09 PM PDT by microgood
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To: patriotgal1787

i read the book
what makes no sense is there have been millions of those flights and only one went down like that.

a cover up seems plausible.


35 posted on 04/13/2011 10:05:09 PM PDT by genghis
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To: patriotgal1787

Interesting revisit of an obvious missle-shootdown of TWA 800

I have not paid much attention to the shoot-down in recent years....but when you have 100s of witnesses who saw something hit that plane...not all those witnesses are liars

No way...no way all of them are lying

Scary is that you have people who will defend the government line, at all costs. Even scarier is that the “Missle-Deniers” are backing the Clinton Admin version of events.


36 posted on 04/13/2011 10:05:20 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (If I Was Really Born in Hawaii...I Would Proudly Show My Birth Certificate)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
Yeah, those gas tanks will just go up in a ball of fire at anytime.Funny I never heard of another one doing that, ever.Boeing doesnt make junk

Two Boeing 737s have had accidental center fuel tank explosions (both were on the ground at the time).

If failure modes of commercial aircraft were common, tens of thousands of people would be dying in airline accident every year.

It's so safe that when there's an accident it involves weird combinations of unusual circumstances.

37 posted on 04/13/2011 10:06:17 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: OldDeckHand

The US Navy story is essentially preposterous. However, the official story has always left me skeptical.


38 posted on 04/13/2011 10:07:21 PM PDT by newzjunkey (A pox on all their houses!)
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To: OldDeckHand
What a crock. I suggest you study this ( not that I care about Iran or Iranians of that era)...

Iran Air 655

39 posted on 04/13/2011 10:07:32 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: OldDeckHand
Not only that but why hasn't someone come forward to give their story to some supermarket tabloid for a bunch of money??? You would think that someone in all the Navy would anonymously give the story out. So far nothing.

The NTSB had come out and said it was a fuel leak that was ignited by the heat of the engines that caused the explosion. The report stated that a stream of fuel was ignited far back of the plane and raced up to blow the tanks. That made it look like a missile was coming up from the rear.

Finally, when has the Navy ever conducted missile firings off Long Island??? Is there a test range set up below the flight path of planes flying to Europe from JFK???

40 posted on 04/13/2011 10:08:54 PM PDT by SkyDancer (For the Left It's far easier for them to preach tolerance than practice tolerance.)
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To: Strategerist

Do you know the details of those two 737s? I would like to read up on that.


41 posted on 04/13/2011 10:09:41 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Something has me believing that you have/had skin in the game. A contingency fee perhaps?


42 posted on 04/13/2011 10:15:02 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: OldDeckHand

Jet fuel just wont light off that easy.Av gas is another story.I also find it strange that the center fuel tank was empty on a transatlantic flight just after takeoff.weird


43 posted on 04/13/2011 10:15:07 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: patriotgal1787

Clinton conspiracy? Bill Clinton? The 42nd President of the US, Bill Clinton? He covered up the TWA 800 frayed wire in the center fuel tank explosion that would have kept right on happening if they hadn’t ground all of that ticking timebomB-747 model that hadn’t blown up already? That was a missile? Get real. No one would dare try anything like that! Especially not the islamists, they were scared of Clinton. And the death Ron Brown, too? Clinton had him killed? Like on “The Clinton Death List”? Riiiight. That’s illegal. Never could have happened. Next you’ll tell me the terrorist cult at Waco didn’t burn themselves and their compound to the ground in a mass suicide? That’d be like, getting away with murder and mass murder...c’mon, that couldn’t happen or that all those missing FBI files wasn’t just an accident, or that Hillary isn’t really an incredible cattle futures trader? That’s just crazy...she’d be in jail with Web Hubble, not SOS and Clinton would have been put in jail with Web Hubble, not on the speaker circuit. I suppose you think obama isn’t a NBC? *Whew* Y’all are just plain crazy nuts here. You’re all too smart not to know better than that. D’oh! The media would have reported it! And they didn’t! Duh


44 posted on 04/13/2011 10:21:00 PM PDT by GBA (Those who die with the most liberty...Win! Ever Vigilance: For the children.)
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To: buccaneer81
"I guess you never heard of the Warren Commission."

If Oswald had fired a $650K missile (at least) at Kennedy - a missile that is accounted for EVERY WEEK - then sure, it would be just like the Warren Commission.

I don't think you understand the effort, preparation and numbers of people it takes to procure a missile, supply a missile, fire a missile, and then replace the missile. We're talking about every line officer on the ship, dozens of enlisted men and NCOs in CiC, bridge and fire control stations all would have had to directly falsify deck logs and copious amounts of other documents to say nothing of the rest of the ship's crew who absolutely would have heard it (and the alarms). Missile launches are NOT quiet. They're loud. Very, very loud.

Oh, and then you have to pull back into port and explain to another 100 or so people what happened to the missing half-million dollar SAM.

But, sure. It's COMPLETELY believable no one would say a thing, to anyone, ever - 'cause that kind of stuff happens ALL THE TIME. /s

I was peripherally involved in the investigation relating to Iran 655. It was massive. There was NO WAY that could have been covered up, even if the Navy wanted to. This was bigger than that.

45 posted on 04/13/2011 10:23:42 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE
"Jet fuel just wont light off that easy"

Sure, jet fuel has a high flash point. Jet fuel vapor OTOH, is about as explosive as any low explosive gets. That fuel tank was full of vapor.

46 posted on 04/13/2011 10:26:40 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
That fuel tank was full of vapor.

Of course it was. Like millions of flights before it.

47 posted on 04/13/2011 10:31:12 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: SkyDancer
"Finally, when has the Navy ever conducted missile firings off Long Island??? "

The only live-fire SAM range that I'm familiar with on the East Coast is a NASA installation called Wallops, off the coast of VA. I don't know if it has ever actually been used. All other SAM ranges (close to or on CONUS) are on the west coast.

The NY-Europe corridor is one of the busiest flight corridors in the world. The Navy would never conduct missile exercises in the LI Sound. It's ridiculous.

48 posted on 04/13/2011 10:37:17 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
To launch a missile from a US Navy ship requires the EXPLICIT compliance both before and after the fact of literally hundreds of people. HUNDREDS - none of whom have come forward, not one - no one, nada, zip, zero.

10-4 on that. I think it was an SAM acquired by Bin Laden from the US to fight the Soviets. A precursor to 9-11.

49 posted on 04/13/2011 10:39:57 PM PDT by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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To: buccaneer81
"Of course it was. Like millions of flights before it."

That's about the failure rate of anything mechanical on a plane - MILLIONS of flights.

How many flights did it take for a piece of FOD to be picked up by a tire and hurdled into a an engine of a Concord causing a catastrophic explosion - hundreds of thousands (or more) for just one aircraft type? Or, maybe that was a missile too.

Catastrophic mechanical failures are rare. However, that doesn't mean that they don't happen.

50 posted on 04/13/2011 10:40:53 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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