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The GOP Jumps the Shark
The Constitution Club ^ | 04-16-11 | Zazu

Posted on 04/17/2011 9:10:13 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen

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To: Uncle Miltie
" The fact that Trump can jump to the top of the list as a one-note-wonder shows our lineup of candidates they need to man-up and campaign. He’s showing Romney et al to be 90 pound weaklings."



61 posted on 04/18/2011 12:32:15 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Uncle Miltie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJ4vNzsHP0&NR=1


62 posted on 04/18/2011 12:38:20 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: streetpreacher

Zasu’s background sounds remarkably like Orly Taitz’s. I don’t know that she stopped in Canada, but the USSR/Israel parts fit her. I guess she wouldn’t call ‘birthers’ nuts ;) Or maybe she’s moved on and would.

At the risk of sounding nativist, I really can’t take too seriously someone who’s moved around the globe as much as Zasu to have much of a fix on what Americans think or what they should do. Is Zasu even eligible to vote here?


63 posted on 04/18/2011 12:39:53 AM PDT by EDINVA (wh)
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To: streetpreacher

LAGO = the MSM, DNC, Democrats, Liberal RNC elitists , those who hide the truth about Obama’s birth certificate.


64 posted on 04/18/2011 12:41:47 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I agree with the gist of what you’re saying, but it might be and exaggeration to call him a, “major pro-abort gungrabber.” He probably has no deeply felt position on those issues, and will just say whatever is convenient. But I certainly don’t think he’s pro-life or pro-2nd Amendment rights.


65 posted on 04/18/2011 1:28:14 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: streetpreacher
I'm concerned that some freepers are so deluded to think that George Bush was a conservative.

Bush isn't running.

You then go on to say all you care about is if Trump would put conservative justices on the bench. I see no indication Trump would do that, but Bush sure did.

66 posted on 04/18/2011 2:56:46 AM PDT by alnick
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To: fr_freak

Totally agree. None of the candidates put forth by the GOP will step out of the box for fear of what the media will say about them. Trump doesn’t care. Obama was one nasty piece of work in that speech he gave last week. He needs to be answered in the same manner. The POS has a billion dollars and the media in his pocket. You don’t fight that by being Mr. Nice guy.


69 posted on 04/18/2011 4:36:35 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: fish hawk

Gee...I didn’t even consider those perks.

Bite harder, deeper and faster, Trump!

[frankly, *anything* that sorely vexes <0 makes me wildly happy]


70 posted on 04/18/2011 5:11:55 AM PDT by Salamander (Insolence.....I has it.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Obviously there are many people who think that the issue of Obama’s eligibilty is tantamount to preservation of the Constitution. It is hard to say you are for the Constitution when you will ignore the largest Constitutional breach ever.

I don’t see the GOP coming out in support of Trump at all. The GOP knows that if Trump wants to run he can run as long as he meets the requirements. Obama doesn’t have to do that.

We have campaigns, debates and primaries. The candidates will rise or fall on their own merits. This process will probably be the hardest for Trump, not being a politician and all.

In the meantime, he has my blessing to stick it to Obozo. Anything that convinces more people that Obozo is a disaster, an ineligible disaster, is fine with me. It is even better coming from a businessman that people didn’t expect to chime in about Obama.


71 posted on 04/18/2011 5:13:41 AM PDT by dforest
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To: streetpreacher
I don't care if Trump had a death bed conversion... if he promises judges in the mode of Scalia and Thomas, he has my vote. I don't care if he passes the Free Republic "purity test" or meaningless "truth file". The real reason the GOP hates him is "free trade", China and OPEC. That's the real story here. Too bad. Move over or get out of the way of this train you call "populist" but is really just common sense.

Oh... I get it! So if you want monkeys to fly out of your ass, and Donald Trump promises that monkeys will indeed fly out of your ass, then you're going to vote for him. Got it! Now I understand.
72 posted on 04/18/2011 5:44:13 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

“The GOP will live to regret granting this man the spotlight”

I’m sorry but when has the MSM been associated with the GOP? Who exactly is giving him the spotlight?

They (the MSM) has spent the last two years trashing our best candidate and touting anyone THEY think either wouldn’t have a chance or are not what a TRUE conservative would pick to run and its WORKING!

I and many of us here, simply ignore the political hacks and do our own research. The problem is to many people listen to the hacks and base their decisions off the info they get.

Perfect example, my Mother-in-law (Love her bunches as she’s pretty cool) will say that she knows the media is biased but still says Sarah Palin doesn’t have a brain in her head. When I asked her if she’s ever read any of Palin’s articles/comments on Facebook on the current issues she’ll say no. Or when I tell her that in my opinion there isn’t a politician in America that can hold a candle to her on energy policy she’s stunned, that’s not the Sarah Palin she’s heard about. But where does she get her opinion, the media of course. The very source she agrees is biased.

We have a big problem with the media and the political hacks and its an uphill battle all the way. It is made easier with internet access but most people still get their news from the MSM and it’s going to take a long time to wean them away from it.


73 posted on 04/18/2011 5:50:29 AM PDT by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: Williams

Where there is smoke there is fire.......

More to Soro’s finance of Trumps Chicago Towers than meets the eye..and this venture into politics...

Does Soros’ see and use Trump to limit the candidate feild, especially Palin?

Trump aint running-——he’d have to cut control on too many very highly leveraged projects for his mindset...

Use him, use him hard and wet while his “message” on key issues is getting thru to those who were blocked off previously.......

Use him like I think Soros may well be using him

and then Vote Conservative who wins the GOP nomination. Hopefully Palin


74 posted on 04/18/2011 6:40:26 AM PDT by sbark
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To: fish hawk
Settle down people. Trump is not going to be the candidate we are all going to vote for BUT what he is doing right now is a good thing. He has RINOs, Democrats and the Leftwing rags all up set that he is getting all the attention now.

I really don't care about whether X, Y or Z are upset or not. What I care about is doing my best to ensure that Barack Obama is NOT reelected in 2012.

We need to keep our eyes focused on that final objective and not on the circus sideshows along the way.

Yes, The Donald is "getting all the attention now" but merely "getting attention" is not automatically a good thing for our side and may very well help Obama in the long run.

Republicans do not determine election winners and Democrats do not determine election winners. Independents do.

The title of this thread is "The GOP Jumps the Shark".

Jumping the Shark: "The precise moment when you know a program, band, actor, politician, or other public figure has taken a turn for the worse, gone downhill, become irreversibly bad, is unredeemable, etc."

Although the "Born in Kenya" theory is embraced by 25% of all voters, the other 75% do not buy it.

Once the GOP becomes labeled as the Party that only has candidates that are Reality TV celebrities, with toxic poll numbers, that do nothing but throw red meat to 25% of the electorate, the GOP "jumps the shark" with Independents and Barack Obama is closer to being reelected.

Regardless of where any one of us stands in regards to the "Born in Kenya" theory, we need to know how 75% of all American voters feel about it and deal with it. Just limiting the battle to what YOU believe guarantees defeat.

How can you get around the "Born in Kenya" theory that 75% of all voters disagree with?

Expand your attack by covering all possiblities of why Obama wants to hide the long-form.

Change the tactic to "What have you got to hide? Be transparent and show us your long form birth certificate.".

Period. Leave it at that.

Such a tactic does not lend itself to ridicule as does "He was born in (fill in foreign country here)".

You thus change the dynamic from "Birther" to "Hider".

I believe that he was born in Hawaii and is hiding the documentation of an illegitimate birth and is hiding a "white" surname at birth.

* Barack Obama, Sr. was married in Kenya and polygamy is illegal in the U.S.

* Nobody has ever seen the marriage license or divorce papers of Barack Obama, Sr. and Stanley Anne Dunham. They were probably just "friends with benefits" and not a legally married couple.

* As a result, the long form shows a "Single" mother and a child that may have been originally named "Barry Dunham".

* As a result, the release of the long form would be highly embarrassing to Obama as it would blow the entire "Dreams from My Father" mythology out of the water.

* As a result, Obama's lawyers have argued in Court that release of the long-form would be "embarrassing" and the Judge has agreed.

* Privacy laws give Obama the legal right to refuse the release of the long-form document and information on it other than "he was born here". Thus, Hawaii officials can see a long-form, see all the embarrasing detail, but, by law, are only allowed to say. "He was born here but I can say no more or show you any more".

The bottom line is that, to win, you cannot just limit yourself to thinking the way that you think. You have to also consider how the others think and tailor your tactics accordingly.

That is the reason that George Patton read Rommel's book.

75 posted on 04/18/2011 9:44:37 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Prokopton; Nonstatist
The sad thing is, almost any "normal" Republican can beat Obamski, he is way way overrated at this point. He wont have the money advantage he had last time. ..... Nonstatist

That is exactly the type of thinking that will get Obama a second term. Of course, most conservatives know this is not true and will work to nominate a fighter who will take it to the Dems. .... Prokopton

That is a false choice.

Being "normal" and being a "fighter" are two totally different variables in the equation and one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. The two separate variables yield the four following possiblities.

1.) Normal fighter
2.) Normal wimp.
3.) Abnormal fighter
4.) Abnormal wimp

Charlie Sheen is definitely a Number 3.

What the GOP needs to defeat Obama is a "fighter" who does not have "abnormal" poll numbers that are lower than whale scat at the bottom of the ocean.

FOX News Poll (February 7-9, 2011)

Question 3: I am going to read you a list of names. Tell me if you think that person would make a good President or not.

Donald Trump:

...............YES......... NO .......DK.....Never heard of

ALL .........19%.......75%.......4%.......4%

Dem ...........16%.......76%.......5%.......3%

Rep ............23%.......71%.......5%.......1%

Ind ...........11%..... ..82%.......3%.......0%

Sarah Palin:

...............YES.........NO.......DK.....Never heard of

ALL..........23%.......72%.......4%.......1%

Dem ............7%.......87%........5%.......1%

Rep ...........40%.......56%.......3%.......1%

Ind ...........25%........69%.......3%.......1%

76 posted on 04/18/2011 10:38:55 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
The bottom line is that, to win, you cannot just limit yourself to thinking the way that you think. You have to also consider how the others think and tailor your tactics accordingly.

Unfortunately, too many people are interested more in emotional satisfaction than in winning. Some lawyers use the facts and arguments that are most persuasive to other people, and push those. Others lawyers just look at the arguments convincing to them, and try to beat everyone else over the head with them.

Not hard to figure out which group tends to win more.

77 posted on 04/18/2011 10:49:18 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Polybius
I guess you can use as old a poll as you want. To give a little perspective, here's a poll taken one week after the poll you posted. Seems like even then Trump was polling pretty strong.

"Individual head-to-head ballot tests for president show President Obama with a double-digit lead over Sarah Palin (51-40), a narrow lead over Mitt Romney (49-47) and Donald Trump (43-41), and a tie with Mike Huckabee (46-46)".

The Newsweek/Daily Beast Poll was conducted with a representative sample of the national population with 918 likely voters. The fieldwork took place between Saturday, February 12 and Tuesday, February 15, 2011. The margin of sampling error for this poll is +/-3.5 percent.

78 posted on 04/18/2011 12:25:16 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: OldArmy52

He’s one of those libertarian fellas, but not a conservative.


79 posted on 04/18/2011 2:29:28 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen
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To: hiredhand

No you don’t understand nor could you because you are prime example #1 of the depth of quality and intellect that has left Free Republic over the last several years leaving only uninformed uninspiring jackasses like yourself to steer the ship of content here.


80 posted on 04/18/2011 5:09:59 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Don't be part of the Karl Rove/Mark Levin Natural Born Losers Club; Fight Like a Girl!)
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