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Comparative Analysis By Pro Graphics & Special Effects: Trump Vs. Obama; Birth Certificate Fraud
Birther Report ^ | April 29, 2011 | Birther Report

Posted on 05/01/2011 4:31:00 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Obama's Apparent Long Form Birth Certificate Fraud

A very clear, easy-to-understand comparative analysis

Analysis by Pro Graphics and Special Effects


(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: bcfraud; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; enoughalready; obamacorruption
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1 posted on 05/01/2011 4:31:02 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
The Nordyke certificate should be the basis of any certificate that Obama issues. There is absolutely no reason for anything less.

Anyone who says the originals have been destroyed is a liar....There was no Chicago Fire in Hawaii.

I have a copy of my BC in my files....Signed and sealed, i.e., certified.

2 posted on 05/01/2011 4:40:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: RobinMasters

I am not a document expert, but it is obvious to me that this is two pieces of paper. Why else would you have all that shadow on the left side? And why all the blank bits around it...my birth certificate isn’t that big. The original one or the copy I got from vital statistics.


3 posted on 05/01/2011 4:52:56 AM PDT by leenie312
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To: RobinMasters

bttt


4 posted on 05/01/2011 5:11:12 AM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge the RINO's.)
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To: RobinMasters

First time I have seen this, not sure exactly what it means. From link

....In March 2010 reporter published an article about the Hawaiian state government refusing to respond to citizen FOIA requests for Obama’s birth certificate. The article included an image of what some claim to be Obama’s real Certificate of Live Birth, which was filed by his maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham...

5 posted on 05/01/2011 5:38:32 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/


6 posted on 05/01/2011 5:40:31 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Saw that at the link also. This document looks authentic. It seems to me that both the Kenyan bc and this doc could be the real thing. Grandma registered Barack in HI four days after he was born in Kenya.


7 posted on 05/01/2011 6:20:56 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: RobinMasters
the stamp on the one on top says OR ABSTRACT

that is telling you up front it's prolly NOT a copy...

8 posted on 05/01/2011 6:22:39 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: opentalk

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]


9 posted on 05/01/2011 6:26:29 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: ez

Thanks, hadn’t seen the document before. It is still interesting they are playing games. I thought maybe it was about trying to hide the obvious he is not a NBC, but must be another reason to not just release a copy of the original.


10 posted on 05/01/2011 6:35:37 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: RobinMasters
Video at link has an interesting analysis of two supposedly typewritten B's that show identical pixelation.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 05/01/2011 6:39:40 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: opentalk

I think they believe they can get around the NBC question in court, but they cannot get around a Kenyan birth.


12 posted on 05/01/2011 7:37:11 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: ez

338-17.8 -

It’s hard to come by complete and correct information on this statute but I have told by some that this is a new statute that only came into law after 1961. Check here for more info, see paragraph after definition of BC4, which starts with “In 1982...”:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/clearing-the-smoke-june10/

However others claim the statute was already there before 82, and it was only revised in 82 to include “state of Hawaii” instead of just “Territory”, now apparently stating “Territory and State of Hawaii”. Some infer that since it still says Territory, it’s retroactive, even if only originally penned in 1982.

If you or anyone has any definitive info regarding the history of the law, please post or link. Thanks!


13 posted on 05/01/2011 8:02:11 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: opentalk

A lot of people have poked holes in that BC, I too still find it interesting.

If it is a fraud, how is it the times match? 7:24pm?

If it’s a fraud someone had access to the same information.

Interesting.


14 posted on 05/01/2011 10:41:03 AM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: ez

Someone pointed out the font to be modern style PC font? Any remarks?

The BC does look a little different compared to Nordyke BC.

I don’t know...though.


15 posted on 05/01/2011 10:42:44 AM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: opentalk

So, has there been any analysis done on Grandmama’s birth certificate? Any layering, background, or font controversies? It certainly appears to be a more straightforward looking document than that released by the Whitehouse.

Has there been any definitive answer on the use of “Negro” versus “African” on Hawaiian birth certificates from this era?

So much stinks here.


16 posted on 05/01/2011 11:05:59 AM PDT by Bshaw (Deception on small matters leaves all others in doubt!)
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To: CommieCutter

My guess, like the other documents released, there are probably half truths . Putting out abstracts to some original seems like lying by omission. (imo)


17 posted on 05/01/2011 11:11:43 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Bshaw

Seems like this one was analyzed and dismissed awhile back. Something is fishy about the refusal to disclose a copy of the original document but claim you have.


18 posted on 05/01/2011 11:22:07 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: CommieCutter
I just read another comment posted about this version at another link, interesting theory

Madge probably updated certificate with updated 338-17 in 1982. Barry was 21 kenyan years and probably needed it for some purpose.

19 posted on 05/01/2011 12:47:02 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: ml/nj
ml/nj said: "Video at link has an interesting analysis of two supposedly typewritten B's that show identical pixelation."

Looking at the pixelation one can imagine just how unlikely it is that two characters consisting of such a large number of pixels should just happen to have exactly the same arrangement. It can't be explained due to identical fonts, because the characters have the same pixels "sticking out" in several places. As the creator of the video states, the odds of such identical pixel arrangements should be very, very small.

Consider the following argument:

At each location where a black pixel could appear around the boundary of a character such that the pixel appears extraneous to the body of the character, there is either a black pixel or no black pixel.

For the upper case "B" in the video, I would roughly estimate that there are 100 places where an extraneous pixel could appear along the boundary of the letter.

If one looks at two different "B"s, as the creator of the video did, and sees that there is agreement between the two characters such that all 100 pixel locations are identical, then one might estimate that the odds of such agreement might be on the order of 2 to the 100th power. That is a number which is greater than 4 billion cubed.

What is interesting is that I was able to find three other pairs of characters that were similarly identical.

If someone is a facebook member and can provide me with an email address for the video creator, I can provide the information about these character pairs. I don't wish to sign up for facebook myself.

20 posted on 05/01/2011 1:02:31 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: ml/nj
Here's my list of "coincidentally" identical characters in Obama's Birth Certificate.

Identical Character Pairs in Obama's Birth Certificate

1) The "B" in "OBAMA" (field 1c.) matches the "B" in "OBAMA" (field 8.)

2) The first "E" in "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" matches  the "E" in "LIVE"

3) The "D" in "Date Last Worked" (field 17b.) matches the "D" in "Date of Signature" (field 18b.).

4) The "F" in "Full" (field 8.) matches the "F" in "Father" (field 10.).

This is a fun game. Anybody can play. Just post any identical character pairs you find and I'll add them to my list. Let's see who can find a character used three or more times!

21 posted on 05/01/2011 2:29:06 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: RobinMasters
Hey, this is easier than I thought. I just added a fifth identical pair.
Identical Character Pairs in Obama's Birth Certificate

1) The "B" in "OBAMA" (field 1c.) matches the "B" in "OBAMA" (field 8.)

2) The first "E" in "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" matches  the "E" in "LIVE"

3) The "D" in "Date Last Worked" (field 17b.) matches the "D" in "Date of Signature" (field 18b.).

4) The "F" in "Full" (field 8.) matches the "F" in "Father" (field 10.).

5) The first and second "A"s in "HAWAII" in "STATE OF HAWAII" at the top.

22 posted on 05/01/2011 2:37:03 PM PDT by William Tell
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And the Award for finding the first character to be used three times in Obama's Birth Certificate goes to ... (may I have the envelope, please) ... WILLIAM TELL !
Identical Character Pairs in Obama's Birth Certificate

1) The "B" in "OBAMA" (field 1c.) matches the "B" in "OBAMA" (field 8.)

2) The first "E" in "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" matches  the "E" in "LIVE"

3) The "D" in "Date Last Worked" (field 17b.) matches the "D" in "Date of Signature" (field 18b.).

4) The "F" in "Full" (field 8.) matches the "F" in "Father" (field 10.).

5) The first and second "A"s in "HAWAII" in "STATE OF HAWAII" at the top.

6) The first "I" in "CERTIFICATE" matches the "I" in "LIVE".

7) The first "T" in "CERTIFICATE" matches the "T" in "BIRTH".

8) The second "E" in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" matches the third "E".

9) All three "T"s in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" match.

I guess not everybody is as entertained by this as I am.

23 posted on 05/01/2011 2:53:36 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Thanks for this update. I'll have more to say (A LOT MORE, BABY O!) about all of this if only Photobucket would take my uploads. (I pay them too! So it's not like I'm a freeloader.) So far they will take snippets of baby pictures, but snippets from BABY-O's BC will not load so that I can link to them. VERY, VERY, strange.

ML/NJ

24 posted on 05/01/2011 2:59:05 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: RobinMasters
I may tire before I get done. I can't compare characters that are widely separated because for some reason I can't effectively cut and paste the pixel patterns. Note that item 17 below is an occurrence of five "o"s that are identical. These characters are fairly "clean" but not quite symmetrical. They all exhibit the same asymmetry.
Identical Character Pairs in Obama's Birth Certificate

1) The "B" in "OBAMA" (field 1c.) matches the "B" in "OBAMA" (field 8.)

2) The first "E" in "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" matches  the "E" in "LIVE"

3) The "D" in "Date Last Worked" (field 17b.) matches the "D" in "Date of Signature" (field 18b.).

4) The "F" in "Full" (field 8.) matches the "F" in "Father" (field 10.).

5) The first and second "A"s in "HAWAII" in "STATE OF HAWAII" at the top.

6) The first "I" in "CERTIFICATE" matches the "I" in "LIVE".

7) The first "T" in "CERTIFICATE" matches the "T" in "BIRTH".

8) The second "E" in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" matches the third "E".

9) All three "T"s in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" match.

10) The two "H"s in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" match.

11) The two "1"s in "FILE NUMBER 151" match.

12) The two "e"s in "1e.   Last Name" match.

13) In field 1, the "I" in "HUSSEIN" matches the second "I" in "OBAMA, II".

14) In field 4, the "d" in "2nd" matches the "d" in "3rd".

15) In field 4, the first two check boxes match.

16) In field 5a, the "a" in "Day" and "Year" match.

17) In field 6a, the two "o"s in "Town or"  and in field 6c, the first, third, and fourth "o"s in "of Hospital or 

Institution" all match.


25 posted on 05/01/2011 3:53:25 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: opentalk

Sounds interesting but the fonts still bother me. Look at a Nordyke BC and compare it to that one.

You will see the subtle differences. Still there’s no reason NOT to look into this like others have said.


26 posted on 05/01/2011 4:26:36 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: RobinMasters
Here's what I think will be my final offering. As I stated, I can't readily compare characters that are widely separated on the form. My impression from having done this is that I very rarely encountered characters that were close to any of the matching sets below. I would have expected to see a distribution of characters with only a single pixel differing from those on the matching list. I didn't.

Most characters exhibited wide variability in how they were digitized by the presumed scanner that was used. If there was a most commonly digitized form for a character, except as there may be for the "o"s, I didn't perceive it. There always seemed to be a certain amount of "noise" in how the pixels would appear.

A truly scientific analysis of this aspect of the document would require cataloging ALL forms of each character and sorting by the frequency of occurrence.

It should be very rare that multiple extraneous, "noisy" pixels should appear in the same locations on a character.

I'll look forward to hearing what the document experts make of this.

Identical Character Pairs in Obama's Birth Certificate

1) The "B" in "OBAMA" (field 1c.) matches the "B" in "OBAMA" (field 8.)

2) The first "E" in "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" matches  the "E" in "LIVE"

3) The "D" in "Date Last Worked" (field 17b.) matches the "D" in "Date of Signature" (field 18b.).

4) The "F" in "Full" (field 8.) matches the "F" in "Father" (field 10.).

5) The first and second "A"s in "HAWAII" in "STATE OF HAWAII" at the top.

6) The first "I" in "CERTIFICATE" matches the "I" in "LIVE".

7) The first "T" in "CERTIFICATE" matches the "T" in "BIRTH".

8) The second "E" in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" matches the third "E".

9) All three "T"s in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" match.

10) The two "H"s in "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" match.

11) The two "1"s in "FILE NUMBER 151" match.

12) The two "e"s in "1e.   Last Name" match.

13) In field 1, the "I" in "HUSSEIN" matches the second "I" in "OBAMA, II".

14) In field 4, the "d" in "2nd" matches the "d" in "3rd".

15) In field 4, the first two check boxes match.

16) In field 5a, the "a" in "Day" and "Year" match.

17) In field 6a, the two "o"s in "Town or"  and in field 6c, the first, third, and fourth "o"s in "of Hospital or 

Institution" and all three "o"s in "in hospital or institution" all match.  There are appear to be many more 
"o"s that match this pattern in the document.  It may well be a highly likely pixelization for that character.

18) In field 6d, the two "I"s in "Is Place of Birth Inside" match.

19) The "7"s in the labels for fields "7c" and "7e" match.

20) The "7"s in the labels for fields "7d" and "7f" match.

21) In field 7d, the first "d" in "Address", and in field 7f, both "d"s in "Address", and in 
field 19a the "d", and in field 20 the "d",  and the "d" in "Delayed" at the bottom all match.

22) The "S"s in fields 18b and 19b match.

23) The "a"s in the word "Signature" in fields 18b and 19b match.

24) In the certification statement prior to field 19a, the "d"s in child and "and" match.

24) The two "u"s in fields 18b and 19b match.

27 posted on 05/01/2011 5:21:29 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: opentalk
This document up above where it says Negro - African (by the n) there is a 2 same as the one Obammy put on the White House site. So if this document has been around the Internet I'm guessing this is the real one. If not then this is fake. Or should I say there both fake?
28 posted on 05/01/2011 5:35:58 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: opentalk; RobinMasters

Have you noticed the Hawaiian statue in Box 23???


29 posted on 05/02/2011 12:23:14 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: William Tell

well this is a very interesting game to play. Here is my contribution.

The three e’s in the word “Date” match in fields 17b, 18b, 19b.

Do I get a prize for the first to notice that three letters are the same?

This is kind of scary. What are the implications of this?


30 posted on 05/02/2011 5:50:46 PM PDT by icemaniceman (........all progress depends on the unreasonable man. George Bernard Shaw)
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To: William Tell

Hey can I reply to myself?

and the winner is.............

wow.... the story of the matching t

here is the picture of this wascally wittle “t”

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3904/picture11g.png

Field 4

the second t in “Triplet”

Field 6a

the t in “City”

6d

both t’s in the word “district”

field 6e

t in “Hospital”
the second and third t in “Institution”
the t in “not”
the t in “hospital”
all three t’s in the second “institution”
the t in “street”

7a

the t in “Mother”

7d

both t’s in “Street”

7e

t in “City” and t in “Limits”

both t’s in “district”

12 a t in “Occupation”

12 b t in “Industry”

17a t in “Occupation”

17b t in “Date” and t in “Last”

to left of 18a both t’s in “that” second t in “stated”
t in “information”

18a t in “Signature” and t in “Other” and t in “Informant”

to left of 19b t in “this” t in “the”

19a second t in “Attendant”

19b t in “Date”

20 t in “Date” t in “Accepted”

21 t in “Registrar”

23 first t in “Alteration”

I guess t’s are a bitch to make

of course there are many t’s that do not match, most are different, like fingerprints, unique

hey I know I was premature on the match of three letters above but
surely this is worth a prize

bonus....

to left of 19a different shaped t’s match in “that”

6d

two i’s in judicial match first i in district

which match

13

i in Maiden 13

there are more of this “i” but I am too tired to look now

also......

17a Capital D in “During”
17b D in “Date”
18b D in “Date”
23 D in “Delay”

Please... Please tell me there is an explanation for this other than that this document was completely constructed in a photo editing program.

for my winning prize I demand a cup of t with the fellow who started this letter hunt.

cheers

I weep for my country

can some math genius calculate the odds of this happening by chance?


31 posted on 05/02/2011 7:12:10 PM PDT by icemaniceman (........all progress depends on the unreasonable man. George Bernard Shaw)
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To: icemaniceman
icemaniceman asked about: "... the odds of this happening by chance?"

It's a difficult problem.

I pointed out how there are many "o"s that are identical. If all of these "o"s had identical "noisy" pixels hanging off the edges, then one might attempt to conjecture about how likely such a thing would be.

Unfortunately, this very common character pattern is highly symmetrical and represents a good approximation to the ideal character. This pattern of pixels is exactly what the designers of the typewriter would have been seeking.

The "t" that you identified is a similar example. It doesn't differ from what one would decide is the ideal "t". It will take someone with expertise in character fonts and digitizing algorithms to determine whether this pattern is the one which SHOULD show up most often.

The character which might be most significant could be the "d" which has a white pixel in the middle of its right hand edge. I don't see a good reason for virtually every "d" which has such a pixel to be identical in all its other pixels. One would need to experiment with sample type and a scanner to determine what should be expected.

Unfortunately, I will be tied up for about a week so I can't work on this. A person would need to print out text and then scan it with settings which will approximate the pixel resolution seen in the document.

32 posted on 05/02/2011 8:10:23 PM PDT by William Tell
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