Posted on 05/04/2011 4:43:43 PM PDT by blam
Considerations For SHTF Living & Bug Out Locations
Mac Slavo
May 3rd, 2011
Editor’s note: If you are not yet in the location you want to be if the S were to hit the fan, and are currently looking for either a home or raw land, then we recommend that you also read What Is The Best Place To Live In The United States To Prepare For The Coming Economic Collapse. The opinions expressed below are a supplement to that article.
If insulating yourself from a worst-case scenario is your primary concern then the following considerations, some of which were mentioned in the article above, could help you to better decide what to do next:
* Stay out of the cities: This is without a doubt the top concern when looking at the possibility of an economic collapse or other disaster scenario. You’re likely better off taking your chances in the middle of the wilderness than you are staying in an urban center. You’ll be dealing with packs of wild animals in both scenarios, but at least you would have a chance at acquiring some food, water and shelter.
Of course, we’re not recommending that you make the wilderness your bug-out plan, but rather, are pointing out that cities will be hit extremely hard, and millions of people will be in need of food, gas, clean water, medicine and other supplies. In an all-out collapse, similar to that described by James Rawles in his book Patriots, the grid would go down, transportation systems would come to a halt and urban areas, including suburban areas, would become war zones as individuals, gangs and clans would compete for the last remaining resources.
When you think major city and SHTF, think Hurricane Katrina, but on a regionalized scale affecting tens of millions of people.
* Don’t plan on living in the wild: While the wilderness may seem like a much better option than the inner city or suburbia, you’re not the only one who’s thought of it. Only experienced outdoors men should even consider living in the wild as a primary back-up for a collapse event.
Like the cities, it will only be a matter of time before competition for resources reaches a boiling point. Unless you’re one-hundred or more miles from any major human access points, you’re going to come across others who are looking for food, water, shelter, clothing and supplies.
Depending on where you are in the country, the elements may become just as dangerous as gangs in the city. Without the proper equipment, you’d probably have a better chance of surviving an inner city meltdown then you would freezing temperatures in the north / north-west part of the US.
If the wilderness is your plan, do you have a plan for staking and defending a piece of land for you and your family? And are you prepared to evade and/or deal with the golden horde that will eventually makes it way from the cities?
* How close is your support network? If you plan on relocating, are family members and like-minded friends within a tank of gas to your new location? While an SHTF location 400 miles outside of a major city is a great idea, if your plan is to have just you and your immediate family of 2 to 5 people defending the land you may run into problems. Regardless of how many guns or how much ammo you have, coordinated attacks by gangs or the possibility of being overrun by those who managed to make it to rural areas should be a consideration.
Also, looking at the location of your home town and the reality of coordinating with neighbors and city officials to stop non-residents from entering a particular area would be prudent. A support network on a familial and community level will be critical if you are near any population centers, even if your town is only made up of a few thousand people.
Primarily, your immediate team is of the most concern – keeping 24 hour watch and working the land will be critical, and you’re going to need more than just a few people to do this effectively.
* Is your new place to live capable of going off-grid for extended periods? We’re not just talking about electricity – but water and food as well. Electricity and gas power are important, but not as important as your immediate needs like food, water, shelter and defense. With the right people by your side, your defense capabilities should be significantly enhanced.
But if the grid goes down, how will you manage? Will there be fresh water available from a well or stream? What if someone dams your stream up river? Is there enough arable land to produce food – and enough water to keep it alive?
Remember, the food you need will not be just for you, but for the animals you might be raising. Do you have reserve feed for those animals, or do you plan on feeding them off the land?
* Location. Location. Location. The above article pointed out that coastal areas could be deadly – for a number of reasons. If you’ve read any historical doomsday theories, you’re likely familiar with the statistic that some 90% of the world’s population lives within a hundred miles of an ocean. Bad news if the earth ever decides to sneeze. That, and the fact that those areas become major targets in the event of war or wide-scale terrorism.
The east coast of the US, especially, would be dangerous simply because of the number of people. Even if you aren’t directly on the coast, golden horde migrations will overrun hundreds of thousands of acres of land during evacuations or panics.
The west coast would experience similar effects. From the south, as the article mentions, there is the real possibility of mass migrations and violence – it’s no secret that certain lines of thoughts suggest the southern US belongs to Mexico – so be prepared for an onslaught if you are anywhere within several hundred miles of the southern border.
During any such mass migrations, any easy to traverse land masses will be subject to disturbances and only those in remote or difficult to reach locations will go unscathed. If it even exists, the SHTF protection zones, in general, seem to be the central United States regions – this includes flat lands and mountainous regions, stretching from northern Texas up towards the Dakotas and west towards Idaho.
Parts of northern California, Oregon and Washington also qualify. There is, of course, the possibility that some natural events – Yellowstone comes to mind – could wreck havoc, but other than that, the right piece of property in these areas could be your best bet to survive a whole host of end of America scenarios.
This is not to say that areas outside of this zone are unsafe, as we are speaking more in regional generalities here. Ideally, you want to be out of the migration path of the horde, preferably on higher ground in the mountains, or a good distance from any major or high trafficked roadways if you’re living on flat land.
One rule of thumb would be to look at how far away a major city is from your location. If tens of thousands of people live within a gas tank of that location, you can expect unfriendly visitors.
* Hideaway, safe room, bunker. We may be getting into tin-foil prepping here, but we’ll mention it anyway. Mass migrations are going to be of critical concern in ANY collapse scenario. Even those in a fairly poor location can still have a back up plan. Our advice: If you have the ability to do so, do what the government plans on doing, and go underground.
Find property with a basement, or an old mine or cave, anything that is out of sight. If the horde comes your way this would become your new bug-out location. In such a scenario, one may need to disappear for an extended period, so quick-food considerations, water storage, and sanitation become important.
Plan on 15 – 30 days at a minimum if you’ve got to go “underground.” There’s no sense in fighting if you can get out of the way and let the horde Tsunami pass over you and eventually recede.
As preppers, we all want to say we’re prepared for anything, but a good prepper knows his or her limitations. It is impossible to plan for every potential scenario, but staying flexible and open-minded is going to be critical for survival. A willingness to admit, contemplate and act on weaknesses in your preparedness plan is of utmost importance.
There are a couple of children of day-laborers whose education through school (from age 8-16) we sponsor at Aashray. It sounds very noble of me, but you know how much it costs? For 9 years of school at a "good school" ?(namely one that will teach them English, a tool to help them escape poverty -- on a side note, they are the children of Tamil day laborers -- Tamil is a different language from the language of the state of Bombay, Marathi and from the Indian national languages, Hindi/English. These people are the lowest caste and no one in their family has ever been literate)
It only costs $3,000 --> not annually, but for the entire 9 years, plus giving them clothes, buying them books and stationary and school materials. What is $3,000 to most of us? Nothing. Yet it can help break the cycle of poverty.
There are a couple of children of day-laborers whose education through school (from age 8-16) we sponsor at Aashray. It sounds very noble of me, but you know how much it costs? For 9 years of school at a "good school" ?(namely one that will teach them English, a tool to help them escape poverty -- on a side note, they are the children of Tamil day laborers -- Tamil is a different language from the language of the state of Bombay, Marathi and from the Indian national languages, Hindi/English. These people are the lowest caste and no one in their family has ever been literate)
It only costs $3,000 --> not annually, but for the entire 9 years, plus giving them clothes, buying them books and stationary and school materials. What is $3,000 to most of us? Nothing. Yet it can help break the cycle of poverty.
One man I met in Jersey (he must be 30 something now) had a similar background, only worse -- the son of lowest caste illiterate day laborers, he was blinded at the age of 6.
He was lucky that a priest from St. Xavier's was helping there and took him to St. Xavier's school at Fort, Bombay.
the boy was smart and studied his way and church charities sponsored his education through until 21. Then he got a scholarship to a uni in the US and now he's doing pretty well for himself. He's brought his parents out of the slums, educated his brothers and sisters and set them out of poverty. The family is middle-class now and has a house and pride -- and he did it on his own.
These people need our help to give them the opportunity to help themselves.
What is agonizing is not their poverty but how little it takes to help them step OUT of generations of poverty.
BTW, there are a few closed loop solar radiant heat systems here, but very few (mostly boiler fired, with the pex tubing right in the top inch of floors!). The closed loop systems have little (monoslab foundations) to no (crawlspace) thermal mass. ...stainless heat exchangers. ...high pressure, too much collector efficiency (too hot for parts), they’re a high cost disaster. Here’s one that I like (Gary’s, with a few modifications, like larger concrete tank in shed w/ frost-protected foundation). ...pex for radiant in the bottom of a frost-protected, concrete slab as per the federal guide for FPSFs, of course.
The Solar Shed — Using Solar Collectors Mounted on an Outbuilding for House Heating
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SpaceHeating/SolarShed/solarshed.htm
But for cloudier, higher latitude places, I don’t know. ...would need very large, insulate subterranean tanks in insulated sheds or houses at least, and with backup (maybe inline water heaters at least).
Southern Iowa is great. I lived in rural northern MO long ago and liked it, too—smart, civilized, independent folks (including some of my own), extremely arable land and far better weather than here.
I’m 47 years old 5 foot 10 and 165 lbs and very active despite junk knees. I wander the woods and fields and have become very familiar with my surroundings.
I have no intent on defending my little town all by myself. Any aggressive defense would likely fall to younger men while the older people would take on other tasks.
Not this HOA. Nazis.
I have friends who say that if you know how many guns you have, then you don't have enough.
That's my belief too. I'm old but I have resources that can/will be shared with younger people who 'man the guns' during a crisis.(That includes stored food, etc.)
No. Ever dealt with one? They are typically run by the fat a$$ed real estate agent or soccer mom that thinks they have a political future.
The CEO of Smithfield Farms, the largest pork producer in the US. Among other things he said:
"And we’re going to be seeing food shortages in the US in the coming months."
Alarmist....maybe?
“You are a real city slicker, aren’t you, if you think that we rural folk only have small arms.”
Sorry, haven’t seen too many people with crew served weapons like howitzers, 50 cal machine guns, etc. And no I grew up in the country so I know what it’s like and what the people are like.
And you're saying urbanites have those when rural folks don't?
I don't think so.
I also grew up in a city and the only people who had guns were cops and bad guys, and the only ones who were supposed to have guns were the cops. City folk still meltdown about the thought of guns. No way that urbanites and city folk are armed with howitzers, 50 cal machine guns, etc.
Do zombies taste like chicken?
Reminds me of the U of TX professor Pianka who feels the world would be better off with 90% killed off by ebola.
we belong to a volunteer group that works for bettering wildlife lands and recreational lands....
in involves fencing, fixing fences,planting,building guslers,fishing ramps,etc.....IOWS....physical work....
the average age of this group has got to be 55.....
let me tell you....the old guys are the BEST...
.they know how to work....you can tell the old guys from the young guys by looking at their shoes while working on a project.
..the old guys wear BOOTS and the young guys wear sneakers....
a young fit guy can overtake an older guy who is a little overweight in a man on man battle...but the older guy has the advantage of KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM ....he knows how to get things done and he'll keep at it til its finished....
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