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Some Skeptical Views On “Medical Marijuana”
Weekend Libertarian ^ | May 10, 2011 | B.P. Terpstra

Posted on 05/10/2011 4:18:13 AM PDT by AustralianConservative

New Zealand

Are addictive medicines cures or problems?

“Legalising cannabis for medicinal purposes would be the thin end of the wedge towards increasing drug use in New Zealand, according to a former detective who now manages a drug education company.”

APN News and Media also reports: “Dale Kirk, managing director of MethCon, said taking a softer line on drug offenders would do more harm than good.”

“I think we'd see people suddenly developing medical problems to source the drug,” asserts Kirk.

The former detective is also concerned about impressionable children and vulnerable teenagers, but especially the many ways in which confusing messages threaten stability. “I think any moves to liberalise cannabis laws are not necessarily beneficial to the overall community, particularly young people,” stresses Kirk. “I think anything that makes it easier for young people to get their hands on drugs is not helpful.”

United States

But what critical-thinking New Zealanders fear is already a reality for duped Americans, thanks to drug-first libertarians.

“It's not cancer or Alzheimer's or glaucoma that had droves of Michiganders going to doctors over the past two years to get certified to use medical marijuana,” reports the Detroit Press. “The vast majority of about 64,000 people authorized to use marijuana as medicine have unspecified ailments that cause severe and chronic pain, muscle spasms and nausea, state data obtained by the Free Press show.”

As Americans were warned, the “medical marijuana” movement is a Trojan horse, and it appears as though an elite group of liberal doctors are benefiting. From the compelling data we can see that “just 55 doctors certified about 45,000 patients -- 71% of all the authorized medical pot users.” And: “In all, 2,197 doctors wrote at least one certification for a patient asking for marijuana approval.”

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: dalekirk; dopefiends; dopeheads; dopertarians; gatewaydrug; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; methcon; psychiatry; skepticism
http://weekendlibertarian.blogspot.com/2011/05/world-some-skeptical-medical-marijuana.html
1 posted on 05/10/2011 4:18:18 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

Hey,dude! I need my “medicine”!


2 posted on 05/10/2011 4:27:26 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: AustralianConservative

“I think anything that makes it easier for young people to get their hands on drugs is not helpful.”

It couldn’t be any easier now, so how about a little reality and some real solutions.


3 posted on 05/10/2011 4:36:32 AM PDT by wita
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To: AustralianConservative

“Are addictive medicines cures or problems?”

As opposed to all the addictive medicines that YOUR doctor prescribes??

Or the one’s you CAN’T live without?

Who’s BSing who?


4 posted on 05/10/2011 4:42:18 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: AustralianConservative
But take MS – another “good” reason to promote medical marijuana, cheerleaders insist. “It’s miraculous!” But are their positions based on facts, or feelings? Almost no peer-reviewed research has explored how the “natural drug” affects the patient’s mind. Or as Doctor Anthony Feinstein, a psychiatrist at the University of Toronto acknowledges, “There are just no data on the topic.” And, are medical marijuana activists planting false hopes? The Canadian’s study suggests the vulnerable should think twice. “In multiple sclerosis, you already have a group of patients who are cognitively impaired,” explains Feinstein. “When you add marijuana to the mix, you might worsen those problems.”

This is laughable because they're worried about cognitive problems from marijuana, but the mainstays of spasticity meds for MS are Baclofen and/or Zanaflex. Both put the patient in a stupor, and you can literally sleep your day away if you take a therapeutic dose high enough to help with the spasticity.

And my question would be: Why haven't studies been done? Because there's no money in it for the pharmaceuticals.

5 posted on 05/10/2011 4:44:35 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

I sure hope they don’t legalize MJ. I really don’t want to become a pothead.


6 posted on 05/10/2011 5:24:28 AM PDT by umgud
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To: AustralianConservative

My wife, a 2 time breast cancer survivor, toked on a few during treatment. It was the only thing that stopped the nausea/vomiting. And, she scarfed many a Yodell as well. :-).


7 posted on 05/10/2011 5:24:53 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: AustralianConservative
How to make sure only sick people get the plant is up for debate. But the fact that it is a medical plant worthy of research should not be.

Pure THC is prescribed under the brand name Marinol and truly helps people every year. However, it has structural differences from the THC found in Cannabis and also lacks the modulating compounds (see paper on Synthetic THC by Dr Alex Shulgin). Only mother nature can create many of the compounds found in cannabis but real research is essentially prohibited.

In 1936, the year before the ban, there were over 40 registered medications produced by companies like Bayer and Merck directly derived from Cannabis. The cannabis boom happened the year before prohibition due to the invention of a processing machine (hemp's equivalent to the cotton gin). It was predicted to decimate the opium and cotton industries (follow the money). Before that, the US government made films touting the huge benefits of hemp over nearly all old crops. The importance of hemp has been wiped from all history books written after 1960 or so.

Our body has natural cannabinoids that participate in nearly every body function. Similar to opiods but far more extensive and diverse. Prohibiting research of a plant that produces such compounds so close to our own chemistry was a crime committed by a self-serving, corporate-owned government against all people.

8 posted on 05/10/2011 5:30:03 AM PDT by varyouga ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: umgud

You will too, and you’ll grow dreads and put up Peter Tosh posters...it’s that insidious.


9 posted on 05/10/2011 6:01:59 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr

The use of marijuana in the US has never hurt anyone. It is a victimless crime. Let’s not lose our heads over this like thousands of Mexicans have.


10 posted on 05/10/2011 9:05:05 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: AustralianConservative
OK Mr. "Conservative", answer me this:

Medical marijuana has been approved by voters nearly every time it's been put to a vote. According to your understanding of the US Constitution, do you think states have legitimate authority under the Tenth Amendment to enact such policies, or do you think fedgov has legitimate authority under the Commerce Clause to shut them down?

11 posted on 05/10/2011 10:15:52 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: umgud

I have been poking smot for 30+ years and to my knowledge have suffered no ill effects.


12 posted on 05/10/2011 10:19:32 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: AustralianConservative

I prefer Medical Hashish. Black Afghani or Red Lebanese.


13 posted on 05/10/2011 10:22:14 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker
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To: mkmensinger

Here’s your “medicine” dude. If you have troubles feeling energized – the taxpayer will help fund your lifestyle. Also, feel free to crowd up our hospitals more if you have a psychotic fit.


14 posted on 05/10/2011 4:50:28 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: wita

Well, you live in America with soft drug laws, thanks for proving my point!


15 posted on 05/10/2011 4:52:34 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: wolfcreek

So your Orwellian argument is: Two wrongs always make a right! Great comeback.


16 posted on 05/10/2011 4:53:52 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

I should have put an ‘s’ after that post. I’ve never used that stuff and never would.


17 posted on 05/10/2011 4:55:39 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: dawn53

So two wrongs make a right? More crazy drug use is the answer? Right. I don’t agree with your false comparisons, or the “principle” behind this argument.

But if the “Medical Marijuana” lobby is so ethical then they should lead by ethical example. Just admit it: they’ve lied and been caught out.


18 posted on 05/10/2011 4:58:08 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: GSWarrior

“I have been poking smot for 30+ years and to my knowledge have suffered no ill effects.”

LOL: Good one.


19 posted on 05/10/2011 5:00:14 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative
Well, you live in America with soft drug laws, thanks for proving my point!

Compared to Australia?

20 posted on 05/10/2011 5:07:36 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: varyouga
Pure THC is prescribed under the brand name Marinol and truly helps people every year.

The only people who claim that Marinol helps people are the people who sell it.

I went through a hellish 5 months of chemo/radiation treatment a year and a half ago, and I finally gave in to trying smoking a little weed. It relieved my nausea within seconds. I mean nearly instantly. So I asked the doc for a Marinol rx, and all it did was make me high for 12 hours, with no nausea relief whatsoever. It is synthetic, suspended in oil and contained in a gel-like ball. It is useless as a nausea drug. (I should add that none of the other drugs they gave me had any effect on the nausea either.)

There is something in the smoke that is not in the Marinol. And that something is the key. I still have lasting intestinal effects from the treatments, and I still keep some weed around for when it gets bad. I wouldn't be without it, even though I only use it once in a while.

It is too bad the stoners have ruined it for the people who could really benefit from it. Yes it has side effects (it makes you high), but so do narcotics, and they give them out like candy if you have pain.

If anyone reading this ever finds themselves undergoing cancer treatment, get your hands on some weed and a pipe (or better yet, a vaporizer.) It saved my life because it allowed me to drink fluids and eat a little. It is just sad I had to buy it from the creepy guy down on the corner, and worry about getting arrested.

21 posted on 05/10/2011 5:19:29 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Semper911
Thanks for your testimony, FRiend

Everyone has a different response to cannabinoids and Marinol does help some people. Many claim to feel no high from it but everyone agrees that natural cannabinoids are a superior medication. Especially since it can be inhaled through a smoke-free vaporizer and the dose instantly controlled by the user.

I also don't consider the “high” to be a side-effect for seriously ill people. Anything that lifts their mood and allows them to laugh easier is as good or better than any drug therapy.

22 posted on 05/10/2011 6:00:18 PM PDT by varyouga ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: varyouga
Anything that lifts their mood and allows them to laugh easier is as good or better than any drug therapy.

Believe me, laughing and lifting my mood was the last thing on my mind during treatment. I was just trying to keep fluids down and stay alive. I can't even describe how awful it was. I am so thankful I had the weed during that time, and I cringe at these threads where FReepers are bitching about medical marijuana being just about potheads whining about insignificant aches and pains.

My state allows medical marijuana, but they don't have any legal places for people to buy it yet. So the desperate cancer people have to buy it on the street. It is so wrong.

23 posted on 05/10/2011 6:16:17 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: AustralianConservative
You seem to have skipped past my question in post #11. I asked you the same thing on several other threads in the past and you failed to respond. You claim to have studied the US Constitution, so I ask again:

According to your understanding of the US Constitution, do you think states have legitimate authority under the Tenth Amendment to enact medical marijuana policies, or do you think fedgov has legitimate authority under the Wickard Commerce Clause to shut them down?

24 posted on 05/10/2011 8:11:14 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: AustralianConservative

Are you saying they’re lying about the results? Then find someone who’s has MS or read Semper911’s replies on this thread about how it helped him during cancer treatment.

I have MS, never tried marijuana because it’s illegal in my state. But have talked to those who have tried it and they say it is effective for spasticity, more effective as any med that’s prescribed.

Instead I had to have a surgically implanted device to administer med to my spine in order to control my spasticity.

You can’t deny people’s testimonies of the help they’re received from marijuana for their medical problems...they’re not lobbyists, they’re real people.


25 posted on 05/11/2011 4:20:39 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: AustralianConservative

‘cept, IMO, there is only one wrong here.


26 posted on 05/11/2011 4:29:45 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: dawn53

You can’t deny that medical science has contradicted your arguments. We can’t make laws around your social experiencers and comments from friends. MS patients are not rat labs.


27 posted on 05/12/2011 1:59:46 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative
You avoided my question on the US Constitution twice on this thread and on other threads as well.

You claimed to have studied the Constitution, so why are you ducking and running, eh? In case you've forgotten, here it is again:

According to your understanding of the US Constitution, do you think states have legitimate authority under the Tenth Amendment to enact medical marijuana policies, or do you think fedgov has legitimate authority under the Wickard Commerce Clause to shut them down?

28 posted on 05/12/2011 12:33:23 PM PDT by Ken H
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