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IPCC: Half of Renewable Energy is Wood, Charcoal, and Animal Dung

Oh, for peat’s sake!! More evidence of crap science from IPCC.

Burning sticks and stones and an old bone
Causes global warming and smoggy ozone!


5 posted on 05/11/2011 11:19:36 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Wood and dung are renewable, but not without controls. Many places in India and many other developing or wishing to be developing countries are turned into virtual deserts, even with lots of rainfall, because the housewives are forced to hunt for anything that will burn, many averaging 3 hours a day hunting and hauling wood, denuding the landscape. They are using the traditional 3 stone fire which wastes at least 75% of the fuel. The landscape can not renew the energy because there is nothing growing, it has all been harvested for an hours walk away from the village. No trees, no seeds for new trees, no-one planting trees, no hope.

If you search information about rocket stoves and other alternatives to traditional self destructive native practices, you will find slightly conflicting data about the results of the traditional uses of biomass, but the conflicts appear to be mostly incidental. The differences are in exactly how inefficient fires are, precisely how many die from the smoke and burns, etc. The basics of poverty and little hope for improvement seem to agree.

But even with more efficient stoves, reasonably usable water hauling containers, village wells or whatever, if there is no coordination, no rule of law, if there is no person or entity keeping the impoverished masses from acting like locusts and turning the surrounding area into a wasteland, there is still no fuel nearby , no renewing actually occurring.

This also describes problems with trying to upgrade lives with water or electricity or transportation. You have to set a new paradigm to keep the young bucks from hacking into the water pipes when they are thirsty, or keep everyone from taking the saplings for fuel when trying to set up an orchard or renewable hedgerow for fuel. It is a huge leap going from striving for today day after day to having a plan and hope for tomorrow and next year and the grandchildren.

BUT... Does this actually have anything to do with global warming? Nah.

6 posted on 05/11/2011 12:44:17 PM PDT by Geritol (Every knee will bow, but not before the last trump.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

That doesn’t even take into account the ubiquity of “pull my finger”.


7 posted on 05/11/2011 5:35:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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