Posted on 05/18/2011 4:27:35 PM PDT by joeclarke
That it was. The Armstrong movement was based out of Ambassador College in Pasadena, CA. As far as I can tell, the campus is now used for commercial development.
“I hope this is not the case with Harold Camping as he finds himself still on earth with mud on his face for depending too much on his own “special revelation” and knowledge, come Monday morning, May 22, 2011”
Monday?
Short of the grace of God. Some heresies happen in ignorance and don’t necessarily mean all who have bought it haven’t put a salvific faith in the person of Jesus Christ. (Jesus Christ, after all, is a person that can meet you, not a clump of ideas you need to construct a mental puppet out of.)
"I don’t want to go out on a limb to the point of saying that individuals can’t put an efficacious personal salvation trust in Jesus Christ while not quite understanding how Jesus Christ worked it."
You wouldn't be going out on a limb. God gave His Son to die for us. His death and resurrection takes away all our sins. And it is the Holy Spirit working within us, giving us the faith that works within us, that brings us to salvation. One cannot "put an efficacious personal salvation trust in Jesus Christ". It comes from the Holy Spirit, and we have to recognize and accept it. We cannot save ourselves. It's already been accomplished. Either we accept it and become believers in Christ, or we will die a sinner.
Have a low power TV station and FM radio station in area
Cablevision carries their TV broadcasts
Camping looks and sounds like Lurch from the “ADAMS FAMILY”
I most respectfully fear this is the road into constructing a puppet out of a framework of ideas and calling that your “Jesus Christ” — without having actually met the Lord.
I presume you’re referring to Camping. I don’t know what his agenda is, especially since he’s been proven wrong in the past. That’s all anyone needs to know about him. Unfortunately, there are many out there who look for anything that might give them hope, without the means or knowledge to evaluate it properly. Those are the people the Campings of this world feed on.
“Later in this study, we will learn that the Lord Jesus Christ died twice in connection with the atonement. He died before the foundation of the world as the Lamb that was slain (Revelation 13:8). He also died when He was on the cross, demonstrating to us and the world how He paid for our sins.”
“The first surprising information that we learn as we carefully study all that God teaches us in the Bible about the atonement is that it was completely finished before God created mankind. In Revelation 13:8, we read of “…the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” We read in Hebrews 4:3:
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world”. - From “To God be the Glory” Pages 25,32ff
Camping’s teaching that Jesus had already fully suffered for the sins of the elect prior to the foundation of the world, based on Hebrews 4:3, ignores the use of that phraseology elsewhere, including Luke 11:50, which reads “That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation”.
Although Jesus indeed already existed before the foundation of the world, his prophets did not. So, the “foundation of the world” phraseology merely indicates something that God ordained, and as His Word is always true it can be considered to have happened even before it happens on earth as a matter of time and space.
Furthermore, note that God is addressing the future when He speaks to the serpent in Genesis 3:15, “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” This event occurred after the foundation of the world, and if Jesus had already suffered on behalf of the elect Satan’s head would already be bruised.
Moreover, Hebrews 9:26 and 1 Peter 3:18, among others, puts to rest the idea that Christ suffered for man’s sins before coming to earth:
“but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: “ Thanks be to God.
More on Camping here: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Camping.html
No, I’m saying that about the assertion that “believing [laundry list]” is a prerequisite or even an immediate ensured consequence of “trusting in the person Jesus Christ for salvation.” Where [laundry list] varies by denomination.
The gospel accounts show us a group of disciples who, if they could get almost anything wrong on their walk with Jesus, did just that. Over and over. Yet Jesus mildly scolds them and enlightens them a bit more. Over and over. “Laundry list” theologies, as helpful as they might be for correction and edification, are parlous litmus tests for faith. Camping ought not to be preaching an illusory crucifixion, but that says not a lot about whether the Lord accepted his faith.
I completely disagree with your view of salvation. Completely. ‘Nuff said.
In what particular. Where in the bible do you get the laundry list of lights that a new believer has?
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