Confederate Memorial Day (Virginia)

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

We all know that today is a day to remember US troops that have fallen in battle.
In the state of Virginia today is also a day to remember our brave soldiers of the Confederacy.

The marching armies of the past
Along our Southern plains,
Are sleeping now in quiet rest
Beneath the Southern rains.

The bugle call is now in vain
To rouse them from their bed;
To arms they'll never march again--
They are sleeping with the dead.

No more will Shiloh's plains be stained
With blood our heroes shed,
Nor Chancellorsville resound again
To our noble warriors' tread.

For them no more shall reveille
Sound at the break of dawn,
But may their sleep peaceful be
Till God's great judgment morn.

We bow our heads in solemn prayer
For those who wore the gray,
And clasp again their unseen hands
On our Memorial Day.

-Author Unknown

[rockrr]

Did you know that the Confederacy would have been about the thirld largest economy at the time had they won?

Hogwash.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Dude. It’s fact. You can say what you want though if it will make you feel better.

[jmacusa]

I’m going to continue to fight you on the red-herring thing dude, as a matter of principal. I don’t argue that way, I’m a history buff above all else. The ‘’What would I do if my state scenerio is a little over the top to say the least. A governor can call out the National Guard of his state, he can’t order air-strikes. Thanks much, but I don’t need ‘’sense knocked into me’’, certainly not by you. Secession, never. Thats like an alcoholic and what’s known as the ‘’geographical cure’’i.e moving to some other town or state isn’t going to stop you from drinking. Carving or attempting to carve out an entire new country in the middle of this continent, without a war, and even at that? Nah. A flight of pure fancy and you’re noticeably short on details of how you would do this except to go back and start paeons of praise about what the Founders meant. Yeah, I love those guys too, the wife and I were in DC three years ago, went up to see old Tom Jeff in his beautiful memorial, and old Georges too. The WW2 Memorial is right behind that big obelisk, beautiful to see. If it were up to me the only thing this government should consist of is the Legislative , Executive, the Judiciary, the military and the Post Office. After that, take every “US DEPT of”” and go through the alphabet and get rid of them all. But Balkanize America? Never. Hells Bells ‘’Vince’’, the Southwest is pretty much gone to Mexico as it is, how much more do you want to lose?

[jmacusa]

Um, so you Southerners haven’t been sending anybody to DC since 1865?

[jmacusa]

The ‘’Butcher Lincoln’’. Dude, you need a girlfriend, seriously.

[rockrr]

Yawn. And you can say whatever you want however absurd and irresponsible.

[rockrr]

Some of these guys will seek ideological (and other) purity until they find themselves cornered in a padded cell...

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Oh yeah. I just made it up. Sure. You can think that if it makes you feel better about yourself. I actually got it out of a couple books. I don't go around making up fake facts like some people.

But like a liberal, you are free to just go on calling all inconvenient facts BS to defend your position. Have fun.

[rockrr]

Actually I am having fun. That you can’t back any of your assertions does little to advance your case. that you feel the need to resort to lamer insults seals the deal.

History just doesn’t agree with you. But I do understand why you seek comfort in your narrative.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

’What would I do if my state scenerio is a little over the top to say the least. A governor can call out the National Guard of his state, he can’t order air-strikes

Perhaps so, but it was just a modern day scenario of what happened then. And what are you talking about the governor and air strikes for? In the made up scenario your state seceded and the federal gov send in tanks and carpet bombed your cities. Your state goveror had nothing to do with the scenario But whatever.

If it were up to me the only thing this government should consist of is the Legislative , Executive, the Judiciary, the military and the Post Office. After that, take every “US DEPT of”” and go through the alphabet and get rid of them all.

That'll likely never happen though. Our government is too far gone. Too many people are benefitting from handouts and from other services who would throw fits over certain benefits being ended. They wouldn't care how much you cared for the country or the constituion of if you wanted to lower the debt.

But Balkanize America? Never

Just splitting in two isn't exactly Balkanization.

Southwest is pretty much gone to Mexico as it is, how much more do you want to lose?

None. That is part of the point. The federal gov is not protecting the borders like it should. Our gov is a mess. It wastes its money on doing all sorts of stuff it shouldn't be doing and gives lots of money to special interest groups and grants for dumb research and fails in what it should be doing. It is time for the sovereign States to recall their delegated powers and actually do something about all this mess. But sadly, I sincerely doubt they will.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

The facts I have given ARE backed by history. Too bad you are stuck in your PC rut. But just you keep on comforting yourself that you are right while automatically calling all the facts I have listed ‘BS’.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Padded cells are only for loonies. A looney is one who refuses to accept reality and facts. So far that would be you guys. Kind sad. I list facts, you can’t answer so just say ‘hogwash’ or ‘bs’. You should be real proud of your debate skills.

[rockrr]

I list facts...

Since when?

[jmacusa]

Thanks rockrr. Just trying to help ‘em along. To quote Al Pachino from “Scent of a Woman’’— “I’m just gettin ‘warmed up!!’’.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Well, on this thread, since the beginning.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

“I’m just gettin ‘warmed up!!’’.

Perhaps so, but so far you have just been full of hot air.

[rockrr]

BWAAAAHAAAAA!!!

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Heh heh heh. Laugh all you want. Why don’t you just try to solidly refute the facts I have given (and I have listed many) instead of just calling everything BS and refusing to debate? Hmmm? So far you have been unable to do this.

[southernsunshine]

...but even if you could separate the morality associated with the insurrection...

What morality would that be, rockrr?

[rockrr]

I can’t refute a non-fact.