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The Economy Is Deteriorating at an Extremely Fast Rate
http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/2011/06/economy-is-deteriorating-at-extremely.html ^ | libertarian neocon

Posted on 06/16/2011 6:56:51 PM PDT by libertarian neocon

In case you missed it, today was the release of the Philly Fed Survey, which was another disastrous economic datapoint. Expectations were for a reading of +7, indicating minor growth, instead it came in at -7.7, indicating contraction.

Looking at this chart, the thing that pops out at me is how fast both the current activity and the future activity indices (expectations for activity in the next 6 months, which as you can see people always think things will either be the same or better) have been collapsing over the last 3 months. So I decided to look at the historical data, that goes back to 1968, to see when were the other times the 3 month change was this bad. The problem is, it's actually never been this bad. Below is the chart for the 3 month change in the Current Activity Index:

The last time the 3 month change even came close to the level of deterioration we've seen (51.1 points) was the 4th quarter of 1974 (50.5 points). This was right after Nixon resigned in disgrace and was a period when we were dealing with the ramifications of our loss in Vietnam, a stock market crash and an oil embargo. Also, we are currently dwarfing the deterioration we saw in the 4th quarter of 2008 (remember how we all felt the world was falling apart then?) which had a 3 month change of 34.7 points. What is even worse is that the current 3 month change is greater than the change we saw in this index between November 2007 and November 2008, which was a decline of 47.4 points. Now let's take a look at the same analysis with the Future Activity Index, which looks 6 months out:

Yup, that chart is correct, since 1968, we've never had a deterioration in this index that even came close to what we are seeing right now. There really is no way to sugar coat this, it is a disastrous reading. Also, the actual absolute reading itself is the lowest since the 4th quarter of 2008 when the world was coming apart at the seams.

It would be nice if we had a President who actually wanted to do something about the economy. After watching the GOP debate the other night, I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't mind if any of them were President. They would all do a better job than the current joker whose idea of stimulus is taking money from the productive members of society and giving it to unskilled labor so they can dig holes.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: debt; default; economy; obama; shtf; sourcetitlenoturl; teotwawki
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To: 1rudeboy
The only point I've been making on this thread is that you could set the tariff on Chinese products to %1000 and it WON'T DO A DAMN THING unless we get our government to get its spending under control.

So in reality, you're looking at a "good" second or third stage, if that's how you plan to shoot yourself to the moon.


Agreed. Although I still support tariffs, we do need to work on the second and third stage as well as the Apollo itself so to speak. We do need to control our spending and reduce the size of government. We also need to add to the mix where we need to tell the EPA to go take a hike.
101 posted on 06/16/2011 10:08:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yes I agree. But first we’re going to need a government that has the balls to do this. It’s never going to happen. A POTUS alone cannot do it. China already owns our politics. The best quote I’ve heard in a while goes like this, “If voting worked, it would be illegal.”


102 posted on 06/16/2011 10:09:15 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Anyone in Congress demanding an investigation into the Fuhrer?

They're probably all too busy fattening up their own golden parachutes.

103 posted on 06/16/2011 10:10:46 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: 3boysdad

Well I’m all for encouraging people like Donald Trump, Duncan Hunter and anyone else willing to stand up for America.

As long as Trump doesn’t sneak back into the presidential race somehow (that would be a mess) we need more like him.


104 posted on 06/16/2011 10:11:37 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: DBrow

uhhhhh, GM? The company that Obama wanted to use as s spokes company for company policy? Now banking its future on China, in China. This is the same company who was supportive of Obama’s more expensive fuel program


105 posted on 06/16/2011 10:14:26 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: Farmer Dean

The DOW tracks the Euro/US$. The NYSE is nothing but a money tank. It’s a proxy for the Euro, maybe because so many companies a valuated in Euros.


106 posted on 06/16/2011 10:17:06 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: 3boysdad
Yes I agree. But first we’re going to need a government that has the balls to do this. It’s never going to happen. A POTUS alone cannot do it. China already owns our politics. The best quote I’ve heard in a while goes like this, “If voting worked, it would be illegal.”

A bit OT but I keep thinking about those old 1960's era films and the original Star Trek to where maybe their predictions of a war between Red China and us will come true.

I remember the episode, "The Omega Glory," where Kirk and Co land on a parallel Earth where Red China invaded the U.S. that resulted in World War III and the conflict dragged on after that until they were down to muskets, swords and spears.

I also keep thinking of "The Bamboo Saucer," by Jerry Fairbanks Productions (they made educational and corporate films in the 1950's and 1960's) where a late 1960's era USA and USSR team up to recover a crashed UFO in Red China.

As to the election of Obama, I keep thinking back to "The Outer Limits" where in "Hundred Days of the Dragon" where Red China had a serum to mold the faces of their agents to look like our President to where they got their ringer elected and into office. In the end they were caught. However, I keep thinking where their man, Obama, did get in and minus the science fiction stuff, it seems like we are living a real life version of it.
107 posted on 06/16/2011 10:20:58 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Precisely. This is the orchestrated fallout that Obama has sought for his “revolution”. a important ingredient for his “hope and change”.


108 posted on 06/16/2011 10:25:53 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: himno hero

I don’t see anyone on our side doing anything to stop this.


109 posted on 06/16/2011 10:28:23 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

What we see is the “capitalists” responding by taking their capital on a fishing trip waiting until this b/s has passed. Many small business peopla , the private sector do not want to risk their capital and will wait until the Obamarisk has passed. Consumer confidence in the government is way low too. Combined (!) they are a force to be reckoned with, and thats before the intended Government intermeddling by Obama ~with the intent of the Government controlling the economy.

You have to remember that America is the richest country.... and he wants to change that and its influence!

America is America and it will wake up and shake this mange flea/


110 posted on 06/16/2011 10:51:20 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

err, camel butt flea


111 posted on 06/16/2011 10:52:56 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: himno hero

How can it be reconciled to believe America is the richest country, when we are 14 trillion dollars in debt?

We are not the richest country.

Arguably, we are the poorest.


112 posted on 06/16/2011 10:53:27 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Obama? like the wife you NEVER wanted. Like the wife.... she sees the shiny side but has no understanding of the debt and liabilities, yet in her portion she wants half of everything.... debt unseen.
Yet the bitch wants to take half and leave the debt behind.

He , like the wife, has no business sense and should not be sitting in that seat. He is ill prepared for a job that demands greater responsibility.


113 posted on 06/16/2011 11:00:58 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: 1rudeboy

The idiom loses a little punch when pronounced “oss,” Rudie.


114 posted on 06/17/2011 3:37:57 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; DBrow
I don’t see anyone on our side doing anything to stop this.

I see a lot of people who think that attacking the trade deficit will solve our budget deficit problem. And who get a little touchy when I point out that it won't.

115 posted on 06/17/2011 6:19:20 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Sadly the US Congress is going to give Barry another $2Trillion on the Debt Ceiling credit card.


116 posted on 06/17/2011 6:57:52 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Well ... the size of our economy is shrinking.

The reason our economy is shrinking is pretty simple - we send more money out of the country buying imports, than we collect selling exports.

By a massive amount.

America’s economy has become like a large balloon with a leak. A large, shrinking balloon with a leak.

As the balloon shrinks, we are all fighting with each other over the shrinking amount of air in that balloon.

Eventually the air will all be gone. Then we’ll all be SOL.


117 posted on 06/17/2011 7:04:09 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: libertarian neocon
Don't listen to the wreckers. They're just up to their usual tricks.

Everything is getting better and better.

118 posted on 06/17/2011 7:14:17 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: nascarnation
At least if we can keep it a 2-way race

Sorry, but as the Romney-Bachmann conspiracy unfolds, that's not going to be possible.

Cannot accept Romney. Wouldn't be prudent.

119 posted on 06/17/2011 7:15:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: 3boysdad
“If voting worked, it would be illegal.”

The correct quote is, "if voting could change the system, it would be illegal".

120 posted on 06/17/2011 7:17:29 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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