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The Economy Is Deteriorating at an Extremely Fast Rate
http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/2011/06/economy-is-deteriorating-at-extremely.html ^ | libertarian neocon

Posted on 06/16/2011 6:56:51 PM PDT by libertarian neocon

In case you missed it, today was the release of the Philly Fed Survey, which was another disastrous economic datapoint. Expectations were for a reading of +7, indicating minor growth, instead it came in at -7.7, indicating contraction.

Looking at this chart, the thing that pops out at me is how fast both the current activity and the future activity indices (expectations for activity in the next 6 months, which as you can see people always think things will either be the same or better) have been collapsing over the last 3 months. So I decided to look at the historical data, that goes back to 1968, to see when were the other times the 3 month change was this bad. The problem is, it's actually never been this bad. Below is the chart for the 3 month change in the Current Activity Index:

The last time the 3 month change even came close to the level of deterioration we've seen (51.1 points) was the 4th quarter of 1974 (50.5 points). This was right after Nixon resigned in disgrace and was a period when we were dealing with the ramifications of our loss in Vietnam, a stock market crash and an oil embargo. Also, we are currently dwarfing the deterioration we saw in the 4th quarter of 2008 (remember how we all felt the world was falling apart then?) which had a 3 month change of 34.7 points. What is even worse is that the current 3 month change is greater than the change we saw in this index between November 2007 and November 2008, which was a decline of 47.4 points. Now let's take a look at the same analysis with the Future Activity Index, which looks 6 months out:

Yup, that chart is correct, since 1968, we've never had a deterioration in this index that even came close to what we are seeing right now. There really is no way to sugar coat this, it is a disastrous reading. Also, the actual absolute reading itself is the lowest since the 4th quarter of 2008 when the world was coming apart at the seams.

It would be nice if we had a President who actually wanted to do something about the economy. After watching the GOP debate the other night, I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't mind if any of them were President. They would all do a better job than the current joker whose idea of stimulus is taking money from the productive members of society and giving it to unskilled labor so they can dig holes.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: debt; default; economy; obama; shtf; sourcetitlenoturl; teotwawki
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To: hflynn

Good one!


21 posted on 06/16/2011 7:23:03 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Farmer Dean

The fed pulled strings... things happen. Disgusting.

LLS


22 posted on 06/16/2011 7:25:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES... a Conservative subsidiary of Reagan's party)
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To: DBrow

The Stock Market doesn’t reflect the economy until it crashes. Jim Rogers


23 posted on 06/16/2011 7:25:34 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: arrogantsob

“The American government is spending money in China?”

No, but China makes a large percentage of our consumer goods, plus parts for those things we build here. Money flows from the US to China in multiple paths.

We do, though pay China to do a number of things, like clean up their coal plants, and “aid” for this and that.


24 posted on 06/16/2011 7:25:49 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
None of which even approaches the amount of money that our government spends that it doesn't have. In fact, if your focus is on China as the problem here, then you are part of the problem.

Our government spends too much money. Problem. Period. Boycotting Wal-Mart will not do a damn thing to solve it. Get with the program.

25 posted on 06/16/2011 7:31:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: arrogantsob; Regulator
The American government is spending money in China?

Is there a country on this planet where the U.S. Government is not giving away our tax dollars?

And if these other countries can't get enough, like the Mexicans, they just enter the country illegally, by the millions, and take it in person.

26 posted on 06/16/2011 7:33:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 1rudeboy

I did not propose a WalMart boycott. I was commenting on borrowing money from China and then spending money there.

I’m sure that the amount we spend on Chinese nails, screws, nuts and bolts far exceeds WalMart expenditures.

I’m aware that we spend trillions that we don’t have, but thanks for refreshing me!


27 posted on 06/16/2011 7:45:51 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: 1rudeboy
I smell a whiff of confusion between the budget and trade deficits.

Where do you think the Chinese get the money to buy Treasuries with?

Trade deficits are not a problem in and of themselves, combine them with a profligate government and a foreign government willing and able to vacuum up the surplus and buy the profligate government's debt and you have a problem brewing...

28 posted on 06/16/2011 7:50:33 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
This may come as a newsflash to you, but the Chinese have money. Don't buy your urinal cakes from them, if you wish. It won't make a damn bit of difference.

Good Lord, and God help us . . . it appears that few see the real problem.

29 posted on 06/16/2011 7:54:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Farmer Dean

“Yet the Dow showed a modest gain today.Why?”

It’s a rigged casino.


30 posted on 06/16/2011 7:57:29 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 1rudeboy; DBrow
In fact, if your focus is on China as the problem here, then you are part of the problem.

Hi yankee, haha...he right...Communist China not problem..We good for yankee...China make yankee proud...Give good job to yankee...haha..You go shop...Get some poon tang doggie yum yums for you and doggie...haha...You be nice, we give you ride on new china aircraft carrier....hahah...Bye bye now..

31 posted on 06/16/2011 7:59:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: libertarian neocon; blam; Kartographer

So there’s a balk at the next step of monetization (”QE”) in an attempt to drive oil down and the dollar up to resume the global debt game. Meanwhile, those who depend on debt for incomes/contracts shout that the sky is falling.

Geithner warns Congress on need for debt boost, extends default deadline
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2713846/posts

Is China broke and consuming much less fuel, yet? ...doubtful.

CIA World Factbook
Country Comparison: Current Account Balance
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html

And we’re not even into the “austerity” phase, yet.


32 posted on 06/16/2011 8:03:35 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: dragnet2

Hey, dumbass . . . I’m telling you to focus on the real problem. That is not an admission that other problems don’t exist. God, you people are dense. CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING NOW, instead of looking for excuses.


33 posted on 06/16/2011 8:04:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Hey, dumbass .

You seem angry yankee...haha...you calm down, get big tube china TV, a nice china couch...haha...pickup poon tang yum yums...they make yankee strong....and happy....bye bye now...

34 posted on 06/16/2011 8:08:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Aw, that one stung a little, didn’t it? Cry some more.


35 posted on 06/16/2011 8:09:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Are you aware that if we cut spending, we wouldn’t have to borrow so much?


36 posted on 06/16/2011 8:12:23 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: 1rudeboy

You silly yankee...you get job at china mart...make you happy....Make you proud...Name you first boy, Dum Gai....haha


37 posted on 06/16/2011 8:14:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mr Rogers
I believe you meant to direct your comment to the other guy, who appeared to be arguing that, if we didn't pay others for goods, then they wouldn't have the money to invest in our Treasury bonds. (And by magic our government would spend less money).

You are dealing with people who don't have a very firm grasp of the issue, I'm afraid.

38 posted on 06/16/2011 8:15:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Great Idea, now where would you start cutting. Give it your best shot.


39 posted on 06/16/2011 8:15:40 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (The Mills of the Gods grind slow, but exceedingly fine.)
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To: 1rudeboy
if we didn't pay Communist China for goods, then Communist China wouldn't have the money to invest in our Treasury bonds

Soon we call them China Bonds!

40 posted on 06/16/2011 8:18:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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