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Posted on 07/03/2011 5:48:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Conservative commentator George Will did double duty today, first defending the Constitution from those who believe the document was intended to be interpreted flexibly, and then later on This Week, also delivering a message much less likely to be cheered in some conservative circles. Will argued that it is impossible for the deportation of all illegal immigrants in the country to ever be considered a realistic solution.
Will believed that if the borders are secured, then and only then, could a non-politicized discussion take place about what to do with the illegal immigrants currently in America. If there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the country, Will explained why it’s impossible to think “rounding them up” could ever be possible:
“To deport them would require not just police measures we would never tolerate. The majority have been here five years or more, they’ve had children here, their children are citizens. But to depart them would require a line of buses bumper-to-bumper extending from San Diego to Alaska. Not going to happen. And as soon as people come to terms with that, then we get on to settling it.”
Given that “a secure border is not a weird aspiration,” Will argues Americans are not xenophobic and merely just want security. Unfortunately, such a common sense, middle of the road approach probably seems out of reach given how highly politicized the immigration debate always gets.
Watch the clip from ABC below:
(VIDEO AT LINK)
Not with that attitude.
Another democrat apologist tries to make the argument for a legalized democrat illegal voting blok.
Prosecute any who would hire them without a green card.
You don’t have to deport even one of them. Just enforce the federal laws already on the books and they’ll leave on their own accord. Even pay their own way. Better yet, to keep Mexico from complaining, institute Mexico’s illegal alien laws.
It seems we could make them not really like to be here anymore, if we enforce laws against hiring illegals.
Certainly we can use some of the same methods.
As I've demonstrated numerous times there is sufficient excess capacity in our existing airlines to haul 'em all back to Southern Mexico within 6 months.
BTW, meeting them at the airports for deportation beats the heck out of buses, but we could it with buses as well, or just have them drive themselves out of here.
Will only imagines it will take police state methods. You give the United States a couple of dozen whopping big winters (coming up soon) and they'll be out of here so fast you won't believe it.
So will George Will!
Stop giving them jobs and free government checks and they'll go home of their own volition.
It's happened everywhere it's been tried.
You know what happened when our own US national soccer team was BOOD’ on their own home soil?
Yes, that’s what happened with this open-border policies. Just place landmines on the damn border already.
And cut off all public assistance and aid, except emergency medical treatment.
And Georgie boy, I guess because we'll never catch "all" murderers, rapists, and muggers we should just give up on that, too. Right Georgie boy?
Gotta cut them and their kids off from welfare to. Or they will stop working, but won’t leave.
They are already filling ER rooms for a cough.
People are already tolerating the new tyrannical order, from the overthrow of the 4th Amendment to the jackbooted efforts of most of the alphabet agencies. Police measures are OK for the innocent citizens but not for the alien criminals?
i think he likes the cubs
Kill the incentive, and many will self-deport. As to other countries who criticize our policies, I have one simple comment.
How many do you want?
So we can track every single cow, pig, sheep, and chicken in the country but we cannot deport illegals.
Fine, cut the benefits and don’t let them work. They’ll self deport.
Its cheaper to encourage them to leave on their own.
Okay let us say the border is secured.
If we cannot deport them, then lets not do anything FOR them either.
Make it illegal for a foriegner to get any type of public assistance for one thing, make it illegal for a foreigner to get preferential treatment by cities, police, courts, colleges etc
How is that for a compromise??
Shameful attempt to knock down a straw man. Will disappoints more and more frequently in his twilight years. No serious observer has suggested "the deportation of all illegal immigrants." Only an idiot--or a panderer like Will-- would imagine rounding up eleven or twelve million people.
We live with criminals every day and that will not change. But much can be done, including establishing conditions which will motivate illegals to self-deport. And we don't need to encorage them by giving them in-state college tuition for example, or free medical care.
Furthermore, pursuing drug cartel cutthroats and people traffickers is no more than diligent local law enforcement. Whatever Will has against that I cannot tell.
At least build a real fence - not some BS virtual fence, but a real fence extending along every inch of the border from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, and staff it with armed border guards every few hundred feet. Stop treating border security and national sovereignty like a joke and have some respect for the wishes of Americans.
I understand that. But do you deny medical treatment
for a serious illness, heart attack, auto accident for anyone, including illegal immigrants?
Yeah, and who's fault is that, huh? It's our own government's fault for sitting on it's behind and catering to their every whim to win illegal votes.
But to depart them would require a line of buses bumper-to-bumper extending from San Diego to Alaska
Well, that's a start.
I agree. There is a solution however. We're on the cusp of seeing E-Verify nationally for all employers. I say expand E-Verify to anybody recieving public assistance. This would include illegal parents collecting for their anchor babies.
No E-Verify, no workee....... No E-Verify, no welfare. The vast majority will self-deport, then we can concentrate drugt runners and other scum.
RINO,RINO,RINO....
Can you spell rino????
ENOUGH with this jerk!
Lamh Foistenach Abu! Maybe we can deport George Will.......on second thought, who the hell would want him?
>>It’s happened everywhere it’s been tried. <<
Last I heard they are quitting Georgia in droves...
Thats right. Throw employers in jail
granted, even if you could deport 1000 a month it would not make a dent in the 15 million the Government deliberately let in.
It could be argued that nothing really can be done that is totally adequate until the border is sealed.
Who says America can’t get 20 million Mexicans to leave the country? Mexico did it.
At the moment he sounds like a Moslem defeatist.
LOL
yes we can
Essentially, you “sour the milk”.
1. Strong border fence (patrolled and monitored).
2. E-verify or face penalties
3. Random INS sweeps
4. Penalize sanctuary cities/states
5. Encourage states to pass their own immigration laws
6. Enforce current Federal laws
7. Put Mexico on notice
8. Scrutininze money transers
9. Cut off the social welfare spigot
Make illegals look over their shoulder 24/7 wondering if this is the day they get nabbed, lose their job and benifits.
1. Have the IRS wash all W2 Forms through SSA computers to find all bogus SS numbers or duplications and the employers that harbor them. Raid the employers, arrest the employees that have SSN problems and verify their legal immigration status. If here illegally, deport the illegals and their families back to Mexico after taking biometrics of the illegals. That goes a long way to fixing a lot of our immigration problems.
2. Announce the policy and say it becomes effective in 45 days. Announce that all employers who have knowingly hired illegals will be heavily fined and will do prison time. Then do it when these scofflaws are found.
3. Require all employers E-verify ALL foreign employees during the 45 day grace period. Require E-verify for all new hires.
4. Announce that if you are deported and come back across our borders without following proper immigration procedures and do not have a valid work visa and Green Card, you will serve 10 years in a federal prison with no exceptions.
George Will makes the classic mistake of thinking it's impossible to get rid of illegals. Just enforce immigration law and make it too risky for employers to employ the illegals. A lot of our illegal immigration problems will solve themselves through self-deportation.
Good plan.
We need to cut off all types of welfare benefits to those unable to verify their citizenship.
“Who says America can’t get 20 million Mexicans to leave the country? Mexico did it.”
That right there is nice, tidy, irreducible truth.
They are self deporting out of GA in droves. Hasta La Vista and good riddance. All you have to do is announce that you are going to start rounding them up and deporting. Then open a couple of no waiting exits heading South at the border and watch the line of ants start to form. George Will is an azz.
I only wonder how it can be possible that George Will would fail to understand this very simple point. Or how anyone would, really.
Nope. give them a quick check if it’s non life threatening call ice and have them take a seat in the waiting room.
if it IS life threatening, call ice and treat them until they are stable enough to travel to their home country and turn them over to ice.
I am so sick and FRICKING tired of working my ass off to support legal people sucking off the system I have absolutely NO time for illegals sucking off the system.
Perhaps your on to Obamas evil plot? Make the US worse than mexico and they will all leave!
Oh yes, I am in complete agreement with your comments.
George Will does not consider that if it were impossible to find employment in America, they would leave under their own accord. The other requirement to end the illegals is to seal the border with boots on the ground. Once they leave, they will have to stay there.
Here’s how you do it Georgie boy. You make it illegal for employers to hire them. You stop any kind of welfare benefits to non-Americans. You demand a voter I.D. for them to vote. You do not count illegals in our national census. You do not allow illegals into our schools. You put a massive fee on all money being sent “home” from Los Estados Unidos. YOU MAKE ENGLISH THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE and stop all this multicultural language crap. If they can’t speak English, tough! You do this and you won’t have to deport them. They’ll go the hell home on their own.
They are not illegal aliens, they are documented citizens of a country other then the U.S.A., which makes them foreign nationals who have illegally crossed the border into the U.S.A. Their children born in the U.S.A. should be foreign citizens born in the borders of the U.S.A., not American citizens because the parents did apply to immigrate or to become citizens. After all, the children of Americans born abroad are still American citizens they are classified as American citizens born abroad rather then natural born in the land of their parents’ citizenship. It is totally irrational for a child not to have the same citizenship as the parents which in some cases would be dual citizenship until the child is old enough to choose one over the other. It seems cruel,invasive and imperialistic to separate a child citizenship-wise from the parents, it seems completely unnatural. After all who your parents are by birth or adoption is permanent while where you are born is transient, especially in this day and age.
” Don’t need to deport them. Stop giving them jobs and free government checks and they’ll go home of their own volition. It’s happened everywhere it’s been tried. “
Now there’s a fact worth running with. Otherwise, forget the “Trail of Tears” and “Moses in the Desert” images of deportation by the US government under either party. Reality needs to count somewhere in this calculation. The criminals are going to be the first to go. The working people who are illegal have a case against the US for their own negligence and for failure to enforce, allowing these people to bear and raise children who are now shop keepers and know no other country.
A ridiculous concept to marginalize one’s own voice with some radical proposition that will never happen.
Exactly.
Will is right - we can't deport them all. He's wrong though in his implication (I assume he is doing this intentionally) that there is no point in trying to control illegal immigration. George Will was once a great writer and a proficient thinker; it's sad how far he has fallen.
There are a lot of stupid “smart” people who live inside the Washington, DC Beltway. The liberal/socialist/communist culture there corrupts absolutely and it is RELENTLESS.
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