Posted on 07/23/2011 3:26:26 PM PDT by jacknhoo
There are a lot of Free Masons here on FR and I would be cautious about questioning their Christianity. I’ve been one since I was 21 (will be 64 in December).
The young man in Oslo is a nutcase.
Here is the Norwegian Grand Lodge’s response to this:
The Norwegian Masonic Order of expressing compassion and care (for victims of Breivik murders)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2752992/posts
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At this point, I am not sure there is anything further they could do.
Odd that you would identify yourself as a Mason Most do not do so on a public forum.
However, I will say that I won't be cautious about what Masons are about and their non-Christian rituals depicting a counterfeit Christ and their oaths to him. Which Christ warned us not to do. The mock death and burial of themselves as they take oaths to a man they claim those oaths to. etc. etc. etc.
No Masons is not a Christian organization...in fact Masons has no specific religious affiliation..they accept all faiths. As one progresses thru the rank and file he is indoctrinated deeper and deeper into the Masonic "faith"...as you know.
You are exactly correct...they will indeed dis-associate from Breiviki in every respect..and waste no time doing so.
And yet throughout his video we see the Knights Templar representation many times....as well as himself in his Masonic garb. Additionally he references these often in his manifesto.
If you are a Christian then how could you make an oath to Herman? Christ says we are not to do that. Furthermore how can you worship those that you do or accept the positions given which are contrary to Christian teaching?
Since he mailed it out to friends and acquaintances I suspect this is intended as a recruitment video to his cause of rising up another Crusade.
This would explain why he stated, while killing people..”This is only the beginning”.
Granted, the Norwegian Grand Lodge had nothing to do with this, and I’m sure they were sincere in expressing their compassion for the victims and their families. And I agree with you, the man was a nutcase.
However, it is obvious from the video he made his Knights Templar Masonry must have been his primary motivation. I lost count of how many times he flashed pictures of so called “Christian” Knights Templars with swords raised “in the name of the cross of Christ.” The real Knights Templars were not shy about killing “in the name of Christ.” You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to connect the dots with what happened in Norway.
Were this man a real Christian he would have let this be his motivation and not Knights Templar Masonry:
2Cor. 10:4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.
Have you opposed them? And that face to face or in print?
You may have read some things, but you don’t know anything about what you are talking about.
Hmmm Interesting subject. Do you know how they were disbanded? Beginning on Friday October 13th 1307.
I am a Blue Lodge Free Mason. Nothing more, but anything more is a matter of more recent things.
Membership? That is no secret in the U.S. In England that is another matter. There were reasons for secrecy of membership at a time. Those times could come again, but in the U.S. it has been a long time since that was an issue.
Whatever might be said about the historical Knights Templars, how they were disbanded, etc., I think is irrelevant here, it is Breivik’s perception of them that is at issue here. What he did shows his perception. He obviously saw himself a knight in shining armor (Knights Templar, with a big cross across his chest) wielding a very literal sword.
A nutcase? Yes, a Knights Templar Mason nutcase.
Oh but I do know what I’m talking about...I am also quite aware how Masons address those who oppose them. They immediately attack the messenger...always. Just as you have done here.
This explains why you have limited understanding of Masonary. Blue Lodge members are basically the water boys. Barely have their feet wet...
There are many people today who “believe” in many things...but believing doesn't make it a reality. New Agers believe they experience asto-flight...trying to convince them it's all in their brains and why is fruitless. The imaginations of men can create amazing illusions which simply are not real.
I think Breivik genuinely “believes” in his agenda...and likely expected at some point to be a leader in it. Unable to convince others who might have joined him, and given him a leadership title and the recognition he desired, he began planning to start the ball rolling....thus the bombing and the killing of those who would one day carry on the Marxist agenda.
It is very telling he did not shoot at the helicopter hoovering over him. That he had sent out his video...and now plans on divulging his reasons for doing what he did Monday before the Judge. Further that when the police shouted his name he offered no resistance but stepped right out.....I suspect he anticipates the media coverage as this progresses to get his message out there.
So a person converses with you about his non threatening opinion after you write sweeping generalizations and negative comments about an entire vastly diverse global group and he is the one who is “attacking”? HMMM Kay.
Opposed "them"...as in many millions of different types of all religions, colors, political leanings and countries? My..now that would be one horrendous effort...like opposing the world.
Your question just shows what you don't understand.
What qualifies you to judge my understanding? This discussion is totally pointless.
Attack? I attacked nobody.
Hear ye, hear ye, all non-Masons take note:
download copies of Breivik’s videos while you can. Rest assured, the anti-Christ world media is going to try and pin Breivik’s massacre on Christianity, while giving Knights Templar Masonry a free pass, while removing Breivik’s videos from the public domain, his videos will be a Christian’s main line of defense.
No it not pointless...You said I didn’t know what I’m taking about. Ok then....what do you disagree with then.....you’ve stated nothing.
So correct me if I’m wrong.....Masonary ‘Blue Lodge’ leads men thru three ‘Blood oaths’ in the three degrees of the Blue Lodge.....these are in direct violation of Christ’s commandment In Matt. 5:33-37...”Thou shall not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine OATHS.....for whatspever is more than these cometh from evil.”
Masonary has a plan of salvation which does not require faith in Jesus Christ , rather it depends on imitating Hiram Abiff in the sympbolic murder, death, and resurection of a Master Mason. This is a substitute or counterfeit baptism in the Holy Spirit with the symbolic death and rebirth ritual of the third degree.
I understand Masons are called to defend one another...so others repsonding to my posts is not a surprise...neither are attempts to discredit what I might say surprising...this is standard proceedure for MAsons ..been there done that and is a Masons way of avoiding talking Turkey about the blood oaths and rituals they go thru.
The “diverse global group” you speak of is a counterfeit and fraud...and directly assults Christ and Christianity by it’s counterfeit plan of Salvation initiates go thru.
Who are free masons....Hindus,muslims, buddists and men of many other religions who reject the claims of Jesus Christ.
Jesus is clear when he speaks...I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but by me.
Masonic ritual tells masons to imitate Hiram Abiff...not Christ...They encourage Masons that the way to the ‘Celestial Lodge above’ is by this imitation of Hiram Abiff which their rituals suggest time and again.....encouraging false hope in unsaved men as mentioned above. It is written...whosoever transgresseth and abidith not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
The Grand Architect of the Universe (Gahotu as masons call him) is not the God of the Bible be cause it rejects the claims of his son.
So as Christians can they take part in an organizationwhich teaches salvation without Jesus Christ? It is written...If any man preach any other gospel unto you then ye have received,let him be accursed.
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