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London Burning: Something Wicked This Way Comes?
Grand Rants ^ | 08-09-11 | Gerry Ashley

Posted on 08/09/2011 10:11:15 AM PDT by Stoutcat

London is burning. Following the shooting death (by police) of a young black man suspected of being a gang member, thugs and looters have taken to the streets en masse, baring the ugly side of humanity by employing random violence throughout the Tottenham area in North London. On some streets, not a single business has been left un-looted.

In some ways, it’s not unlike similar riots we have seen here in America: A police action against a minority that is seen as questionable (or, in the eyes of the minority community, racially motivated). And before all the facts are uncovered, a few members in that minority community rush to judgement and take matters into their own hands. The result? Rioting, looting, and unfortunately, casualties.

But there is a difference in London’s rioting; and I fear it may be a harbinger of something far darker. And I fear even more that it may well spread world-wide, including here in America. Call it the perfect storm of societal breakdown. And it crosses all racial, ethnic, and religious lines.

Feeding my fear is that, even as I write this, the rioting is now spreading, not just to other parts of London, but also to other cities in England as reported in the Christian Science Monitor… including Birmingham, Bristol, Nottingham, Liverpool, Oxford and Reading… all cities that have no direct connection with the shooting incident.

That raises the question: At this point, is the rioting just about the shooting? Or has society simply reached a flash point where thugs (regardless of background) are becoming so brazen they are taking the attitude of ‘Let’s just do it! There ain’t enough cops to stop us all”...

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TOPICS: Government; History; Society
KEYWORDS: cameron; england; london; riots
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1 posted on 08/09/2011 10:11:18 AM PDT by Stoutcat
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To: Stoutcat

Coming to America soon....wait already happening here with all the flash mobs and especially after the Wisconsin state fair incident...

Society breaking down fast....


2 posted on 08/09/2011 10:14:36 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: Stoutcat

Let us know when the rioters move to city that allows concealed carry.

Somehow I doubt we will see pictures of victims being forced to strip naked while other watch on.


3 posted on 08/09/2011 10:15:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Stoutcat

I experienced the 2001 Cincinnati riots. The cause was the same, police shooting of a minority, and the opportunists were out in full force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Cincinnati_riots

I’m actually surprised we haven’t witnessed more riots in America however I don’t believe we are far off. They’ll swiftly come if Obama is defeated and heavy cuts are made to entitlement programs. Perhaps it’s all the free government cell phones that are keeping the peace?


4 posted on 08/09/2011 10:17:48 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: Stoutcat

It’s hard to believe that the rioting was ever about the shooting. Maybe the shooting was an excuse in the demented minds of these youth gangs.


5 posted on 08/09/2011 10:17:53 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I truly think that is exactly it.


6 posted on 08/09/2011 10:19:06 AM PDT by Stoutcat (I aim to misbehave)
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To: Stoutcat

“The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our time”.
— Edward Grey, 1st Viscount Grey of Fallodon (1914)

“Beacons of warning are being lit all over Europe. We shall not see them extinguished except by rivers of blood.”
— ClearCase_guy


7 posted on 08/09/2011 10:20:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: thackney
Let us know when the rioters move to city that allows concealed carry.

There won't be enough available semis with refers to haul the bodies away.
8 posted on 08/09/2011 10:20:48 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Stoutcat

The military can’t intervene because that makes citizens the enemy. (Not debating it here: you just don’t go there if you want the nation to stay intact.)

The police can’t intervene because there’re outnumbered and the spark for the event (at least in London). They can’t induce enough casualties to stop it without crossing the line and becoming criminals themselves.

Hence a value of the 2nd Amendment: it’s the locals drawing the line. Stuff stops right quick when neighbors say “no” in unison and stand the line.


9 posted on 08/09/2011 10:23:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Stoutcat

Paint your side and upper door posts with looter’s blood, as a sign for the plague to pass you by.


10 posted on 08/09/2011 10:24:59 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Stoutcat

Don’t go around tonight,
Well, it’s bound to take your life,
There’s a bad moon on the rise.

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.


11 posted on 08/09/2011 10:26:33 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: TSgt

These riots just don’t make sense to me.

Okay, we’re saying that the minority community is angry, feels racism and all that. Okay, can someone explain how looting a store is what you should do because of this perceived racism? How does this help your cause? Did the store owner of the store you burned down have anything to do with the police action in the first place? Is he/she racist at all? Yet he/she has their lives ruined because of this action.

Most of the news stories haven’t mentioned the racial or ethnic background of the rioters, or how this all started.

Consider the rioting in so many cities after Martin Luther King was killed. How does that violence somehow honor a man who was committed to non-violence? And how does stealing and burning down buildings somehow get even for the perceived discrimination???

It sure seems that rioting sets back race relations, and, sets back redevelopment and urban renewal in our cities. Some sections of Washington, DC, still looked bombed out years after the riots of ‘68. A few days of rage can set things back decades. I’ve heard that some parts of Detroit never recovered after the riots of ‘67 there.


12 posted on 08/09/2011 10:27:06 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: ctdonath2
"The military can’t intervene because that makes citizens the enemy."

The NG was called out in Detroit in '67.

13 posted on 08/09/2011 10:27:23 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"I’ve heard that some parts of Detroit never recovered after the riots of ‘67 there."
14 posted on 08/09/2011 10:29:36 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ctdonath2

Spot-on!

“The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon,” Home Secretary Theresa May told Sky News. “The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities.”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/UK-cop-says-plastic-bullets-apf-1064590163.html?x=0

Um, might want to reconsider the water cannons...


15 posted on 08/09/2011 10:30:51 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our time”.

My absolute favorite quote from "The Guns of August". Sadly, I agree that is what we are witnessing.

16 posted on 08/09/2011 10:42:38 AM PDT by caper gal 1 (Rubio/Ryan Ryan/Rubio 2012)
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To: Paladin2

In ‘67 in Detroit we had something similar. National Guard called in, they ran over a few cars with tanks, shot a few people and it was over.

Detroit was already in decline in the ‘60’s.

Britain will not even use water cannons. They are just lost.


17 posted on 08/09/2011 10:46:27 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Paladin2

Funny how soundbites are expected to address all historical nuances.

Yeah, there might be a few cases where it turned out OK. General rules akin to “don’t go there - you might not come back” are not proven wrong when one comes back.


18 posted on 08/09/2011 10:49:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2

Although I’m not in agreement with your first two points, I agree with your conclusion completely.

2nd Amendment rights — together with a well-armed citizenry — is far better than any other alternative way of handling this situation.


19 posted on 08/09/2011 10:50:45 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: TSgt

“Stop! or I’ll say ‘Stop!’ again!”


20 posted on 08/09/2011 10:51:19 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Stoutcat

Be prepared..the summer of 2012, especially, will be bad.


21 posted on 08/09/2011 10:52:38 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: ctdonath2

Otherwise, it’s Gold, Guns, Bullets, Bibles, and the Brains to use them.


22 posted on 08/09/2011 10:54:22 AM PDT by Sundog (It takes a darn good reason for me to break down and post something these days.)
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To: ctdonath2

All the LSM report this story the same:
Police shot a young man, father of four...bla, bla.
When in reality, he was a gang-banger who was heading for a kill with a loaded weapon. When the cops tried to take him down, he fired at the officer. His bullet hit the cops radio. The cops double tapped junior to the cranium with 9mm.
Justifiable shooting, but not reported that way...
I wonder why?/S


23 posted on 08/09/2011 10:55:26 AM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: Stoutcat

They want us to believe this is about a shooting death by the Police. Its not.
This is all about class warfare. Rush played a clip of one of the rioters, who said, “We are just showing the rich people we can do what we want”.

How soon will this happen here?


24 posted on 08/09/2011 10:57:58 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo
“We are just showing the rich people we can do what we want”.

They obviously don't WANT to get a job, that's for sure.

25 posted on 08/09/2011 10:59:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: neverbluffer

“Coming to America soon....wait already happening here with all the flash mobs and especially after the Wisconsin state fair incident...”

It’s all part of the plan. The parasitic entitlement class will riot and burn and the middle class will beg the 0bamafuhrer to save them. Elections are suspended; congress is dismissed and 0bama is El Presidente-for-Life.


26 posted on 08/09/2011 11:05:45 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: 9422WMR

The way of the media. It bleeds, It leads.


27 posted on 08/09/2011 11:09:27 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Some folks are attempting to lure the fools in. Could it be called, dragging a line?


28 posted on 08/09/2011 11:12:06 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SVTCobra03

I fear for our country.


29 posted on 08/09/2011 11:12:39 AM PDT by Stoutcat (I aim to misbehave)
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To: Stoutcat
That raises the question: At this point, is the rioting just about the shooting?

No, it's not and it never was. Rioting is never really spontaneous. Behind every riot are riotmakers with an agenda. Sometimes their actions are deliberately planned and fomented, sometimes opportunistic, but always with a goal of destruction. Participating in every riot are rioters, usually folks who do not work and have been engrained with a mentality that the world owes them a living. The riot is an opportunity to take what they could not get honestly, and to destroy for the sheer unholy joy of destruction.

For both groups the riot is an end in itself AND a means to and end. Neither motivation has anything really to do with the supposed "spark" that we are told "ignited" the riot.

30 posted on 08/09/2011 11:21:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Great explanation ... and am reminded of Hitler and his propaganda machine when the rioters and the media outlets converge into one.
31 posted on 08/09/2011 11:27:16 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals
The way of the media. It bleeds, It leads.

I guess there was no bleeding at the Wisconsin State Fair.

32 posted on 08/09/2011 11:52:47 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Good Point. I chastise myself and slap my fingers off the keyboard.


33 posted on 08/09/2011 11:54:45 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals

I urge every FReeper to get a concealed permit.

Wifey and I both have and carry ALL the time.

She keeps a Kel-tec 380 loaded with hollow points in her purse. Nice little gun. So light you don’t know it’s in your pocket. Made in FL and guaranteed for life. I carry a 9mm, bought before klinton’s ban.

Thank you Jeb Bush for the Castle Doctrine in 2005. And thank you Rick Scott for updating it so accidental exposure isn’t prosecutable.


34 posted on 08/09/2011 11:58:36 AM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: no-to-illegals

To the libs and the MSM, race trumps all. That’s why they call critics of Islam “racist.”


35 posted on 08/09/2011 12:01:17 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Stoutcat

This is precisely what you get and deserve when you take the right of possession of firearms away from the law abiding citizen. They wouldn’t be doing this here in North Georgia, I can tell you.


36 posted on 08/09/2011 12:05:36 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: bicyclerepair

Problem is that these societal heros often don’t confront one, two, or even eight at a time. It’s dozens...this calls for the 33 rd 9mm Glock mag plus backups.


37 posted on 08/09/2011 12:07:29 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: bicyclerepair

What kind of stoppin power does the Kel-Tec have? If it’s that light, I’d worry that it wouldn’t do much more than a .22 would.


38 posted on 08/09/2011 12:19:07 PM PDT by Stoutcat (I aim to misbehave)
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To: bicyclerepair
I urge every FReeper to get a concealed permit.

The best insurance policy is the one that never has to be used, but if needed is there. The Castle Doctrine is great legislation for the law abiding citizens. The thugs hate that legislation. (smile)

39 posted on 08/09/2011 12:32:34 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: buccaneer81
I will be labeled a racist (no matter what I do or say). I criticize islam (with a small i) for their ruthlessness and because islam has murdered innocent people and their aim (islam’s) is to rule over all of earth's people. Since I come from a free society and have an opinion I am the enemy. I grow tired of being called the enemy by those who want to enslave me, and my family. An enemy of the state, those who refuse to be enslaved, are known as. I am one, and speak for nobody else but me. There are people I support, some are family, and some who are not family. Yet I shall always be known as a racist, though I am not. Grand, typing to you. Stay Safe, FRiend.

Prayers for all who must face the dark in England. May the light shine brighter than all the angels of Heaven, and none forced to knock on Heaven's door tonight.

40 posted on 08/09/2011 12:46:17 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Stoutcat
What kind of stoppin power does the Kel-Tec have?

Pretty fair with a brain shot. I suggest using full metal jacket bullets since the .380 muzzle velocity is pretty low and it won't produce much hydrostatic shock. Go for penetration instead. Through the skull, through the brain.

My wife has the Ruger LCP which is pretty much a clone of the Kel-Tec. I would have chosen the K-T but she's a Ruger fan.

41 posted on 08/09/2011 12:59:18 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: 9422WMR

The media wants this kind of chaos because:

1. People tune in and the chatty goofballs get noticed.
2. They are on the side of the looters.
3. They are on the side of baraq.
4. They wish they were out in the streets with their black flags and red banners.
5. They don’t this will affect them and they will get to be observers of the riots.

They have forgotten the lesson of Cairo and the cute female “journalist” in among the feral humans. They also don’t think that all this chaos will affect them.
When their newpaper or tv station is firebombed and they are out of work, what then? Think baraq will save them? Only until he doesn’t need them anymore.

usefull idiots.


42 posted on 08/09/2011 12:59:23 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: thackney

Yes, lst’s just hope the government hasn’t sold all of it’s high-powered weapons to the drug cartels in Mexico or else the rest of us looking to buy our first gun are going to be screwed.


43 posted on 08/09/2011 1:15:36 PM PDT by BigChiefLtd (They said the Titanic couldn't sink too...)
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To: thackney

Yes, lst’s just hope the government hasn’t sold all of it’s high-powered weapons to the drug cartels in Mexico or else the rest of us looking to buy our first gun are going to be screwed.


44 posted on 08/09/2011 1:15:47 PM PDT by BigChiefLtd (They said the Titanic couldn't sink too...)
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To: BigChiefLtd
the rest of us looking to buy our first gun are going to be screwed

Don't wait until the river is rising up to buy your flood insurance.

45 posted on 08/09/2011 1:17:46 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You may be right... it might just be the catalyst that gives them what THEY see as the right to loot, plunder and rob whatever they want... and feel justified in doing so.


46 posted on 08/09/2011 1:19:51 PM PDT by BigChiefLtd (They said the Titanic couldn't sink too...)
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To: thackney

I’m in Arizona. No permit required for carry. I don’t expect to see any mass riots here...


47 posted on 08/09/2011 1:23:51 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“It’s hard to believe that the rioting was ever about the shooting. Maybe the shooting was an excuse in the demented minds of these youth gangs.”

Totally correct.

During the Watts riots, I was going to school in the San Fernando Valley. The blacks at our school felt it was their duty to “participate” in doing the same at our school. We girls wore our gym shorts under our dresses, (this was before you could wear pants to school) so that we could jump a fence if we needed to.

It is ALWAYS about an excuse, don’t listen to the liars of the MSM.


48 posted on 08/09/2011 1:24:42 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Mr Rogers

No permit required for carry.

I like that best. In Alaska it was, if you can legally own the gun, you can carry it concealed.


49 posted on 08/09/2011 1:25:52 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: neverbluffer

These “thugs” don’t want to try a forced entry into my house. It’s protected by God and Smith and Wesson.


50 posted on 08/09/2011 1:29:11 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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