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I have a question. "There's always some dumb [bleep] that don't know me
Sipsey Street Irregulars ^ | 15 August, 2011 | Mike Vanderboegh

Posted on 08/16/2011 5:35:26 AM PDT by marktwain

Booming business of fear: Sales of safes soar.

I have a question: How long will your safe protect valuables when a home-invasion gang is holding a pistol to your two-year-old daughter's head? There's a lot of guys who have some gold or silver tucked away on the top shelf of their gun safes. That's fine. But what I am questioning here is the belief that a safe -- and a safe alone, absent firearms and the will to use them -- can protect your valuables from predators. Even if it is a break-in while you are not there, they will discover the safe, conclude it has valuables, and come back later with a better plan and a bigger crew when you are home to open it for them and available for a little friendly persuasion.

There is a man up in Winston County I know who once had a meth addict try to rob his house about ten years ago. The meth addict did not survive the experience. He regretted having to kill the man, but observed that the predator's death had netted some benefits. "Bought me a heap of peace and quiet," he told me. I pointed out that he still carried, even when he was on his own property. "Well," he explained, "there's always some dumb sonofabitch that don't know me and ain't smart enough to take the time to ask around."

Safes are fine, I suppose. Vigilance, ability and a neighborhood defense plan are better. Building a reputation for those things doesn't hurt either.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; home; safe
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I was shocked when an influential freind of mine referred to me as "one of the deadliest men in the county".

I am an average sized, mild mannered man, who teaches a CCW course with passion. I have taught about half of those that have permits in my county. My firearm skills are modest: mid collegiate level for pistol, lower state competitive level for rifle. I know a bit about knives and sticks.

Somehow, those modest skills were translated into "one of the deadliest men in the county". I guess I could have a worse reputation.

1 posted on 08/16/2011 5:35:32 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

With comments like that, he is no friend.


2 posted on 08/16/2011 5:40:04 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: marktwain

I sold a large gun safe when I left Canada. The guy that bought it came with a friend and slings and had it in their truck in 15 minutes. They did take the doors off first, but I don’t think that made all that much difference.


3 posted on 08/16/2011 5:42:08 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: marktwain

People aren’t ‘deadly’, weapons are.................


4 posted on 08/16/2011 5:42:14 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: marktwain
one of the deadliest men in the county

Certainly preferable to "one of the deadest men in the county."

5 posted on 08/16/2011 5:43:45 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree ("Nanny Care State" is not a Division 3 football powerhouse.)
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To: marktwain

You’ll be the first one he calls if he has a run in with the wrong person.


6 posted on 08/16/2011 5:44:36 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: marktwain
"There's always some dumb sonofabitch that don't know me

Obama speaks?

7 posted on 08/16/2011 5:44:51 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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When I moved to the sticks I wore a gun on my hip at all times while on my property. Neighbors who stopped by to introduce themselves all saw the gun. One or two would ask why I carried but no one was freaked out.

I did this for protection (had an unknown Rottweiler stalk up my drive one day. He left for good when I put a warning shot in the ground) and to let everyone know there was a gun-guy living here. I wasn't concerned about the neighbors as much as their friends or cousins who might not be as law-abiding.

I've never had a problem in the 6 yrs I've lived here. One funny thing was a neighbor came by to visit with a California relative. She definitely had never seen a citizen walking around with a gun on his hip. I'm sure she was glad to leave.

8 posted on 08/16/2011 5:47:29 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: marktwain

I think another good line of defense is for one to keep quiet and not advertise that they ccw or they have a black belt in karate or that they might have access to valuables.

It is surprising how many times people give clues, to those watching, about their capabilities or limitations to those watching.

For example, using a gold credit card that has an unlimited balance, when you can get your standard credit card to have the same conditions as that gold card.


9 posted on 08/16/2011 5:48:16 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: marktwain
I was shocked when an influential freind of mine referred to me as "one of the deadliest men in the county".

Not a good reputation to have if you ever have the police showing up for any reason.

10 posted on 08/16/2011 5:48:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: expat1000

1- Don’t advertise what you have in terms of wealth or security.
2- Safes should be bolted to the floor or wall.
3- Weapons should be accessible by you at all times.
(Less than 10 seconds, preferably 5)
4- Practice, practice, practice
(point shooting practice can be done w an empty weapon, in your home)


11 posted on 08/16/2011 5:50:56 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Red Badger

I take the opposite.
A weapon is an inanimate hunk of minerals.

The best pistol in the world is a rock if wielded by the incompetent.

Men are deadly.


12 posted on 08/16/2011 5:54:12 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: G Larry

Should be bolted to the floor or wall, yes, but I have never yet lived in a place where that was practical.

All the other points - right on!


13 posted on 08/16/2011 5:54:39 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: G Larry

Safes i- bolted, hidden, and not easily accessible.


14 posted on 08/16/2011 5:55:20 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: marktwain

Safes protect valuables for a number of reasons including home break-ins, fires etc. Safe’s do the job they are intended for but they can’t protect the individual and that’s obviously not what they’re for.

So when the question comes up: How long will your safe protect valuables when a home-invasion gang is holding a pistol to your two-year-old daughter’s head?

You never let it get to that point. I have an alarm system, a couple dogs and a couple guns by my bed. The dogs will let me know something is up so I will be, the alarm system let’s me know there’s someone breaking in and the laser spot lets those who broke in what I’ll be doing.


15 posted on 08/16/2011 5:56:40 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: marktwain

I have heard that said about you - more than once.


16 posted on 08/16/2011 5:59:26 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: G Larry

Agreed. I never talk guns with the neighbors. You cannot account for who they speak to or how in depth the neighborhood intelligence net is.

I would like offer that is advantageous that everyone in the household that can shoot, be taught to shoot.


17 posted on 08/16/2011 5:59:53 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: Jonty30
One of my sons is a security consultant. One of the first things he tells clients is to dump the bling cards.
18 posted on 08/16/2011 6:01:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

I’ve never really understood trying to impress people that way. I’ve carried upwards of 65 grand in my pocket at one time or another and you’d never know it, because I don’t wear an Armani suit.


19 posted on 08/16/2011 6:04:35 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30
"It is surprising how many times people give clues, to those watching, about their capabilities or limitations to those watching."

I've trained my body and clothes to emit the odor of large dogs and gun solvent.

20 posted on 08/16/2011 6:04:40 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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