Posted on 08/27/2011 10:53:16 PM PDT by Right Wingnut 2
I just read the text of Rick Perry's remarks to the Border Summit on Aug, 21st 2001. How in the hell is this stuff slipping through the cracks without a single mention in the conservative press? If this had been Obama, Sean Hannity would have been talking about it 24/7 during the last presidential campaign.
There are many passages in the speech that are of great concern to me, but this one really caught my attention.
...Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border....
Does Rick Perry still support an international health insurance program such as the one he laid out in his speech that day? Will someone in the media please ask him before it's too late?
You can read the entire text of Perry's speech HERE
Before they erupt and infect our shores?
How in tarnation does that help when tens of millions of Mexicans continue spread to all points in the U.S.?
Apperantly the Perry fans no speaka da English.
It’s “bi-national.” Is NAFTA an agreement between the State of Texas and the country of Mexico? Seems to me that the US feds would have to be involved. And another thing, we can’t buy insurance over state lines! And how about the illegals in New York City?
Somebody didn’t think this through.
As they say in my neck of the woods. “Was comma do”. PA Dutch for “What are you going to do”. Perry is not the worst candidate we ever had. Actually we had much worse that ended up being very good Presidents. It all depends on the man suited for the time. I don’t know if Perry is the man of the time, but there is a chance that he could be.
See my post above yours. I prefer Herman Cain's approach. We need a border fence, to welcome the folks that are here legally, enforce our existing laws, and NO AMNESTY.
The flow of illegals is killing this country, on that we do agree!
As for educating, feeding, treating, and policing illegals, Texans have been picking up a huge chunk of that for the rest of the country already. Trying to find a way to get Mexico to foot part of that bill, especially since the WH won't close our borders, is an attempt to address the problem - instead of ignoring it.
I know you didn’t post to me, but may I say that you will notice for yourself that pro-Perry threads can’t get three replies down before pro-Palin supporters spam you with their stuff bent on well, whatever, and the Paul sports make mischief with the misinformation just as badly as the Palin supporters.
On the Trans-Texas Corridor, if you have ever driven from Austin to Dallas, the traffic is barbaric and life threatening, so, please, a little context would help. It turned out the corridor idea took up far too much land and it died. That game is simply over. The barbaric traffic, therefore, is still barbaric and, yes, the futher lift its construction would have given the Texas economy for years is gone with the corridor. Property rights are big in Texas.
The border issue in Texas is not what it is in Arizona. Yet. Perry has boots on the ground but wants more, with an addition of air support and high tech surveillence. NO FENCE. Ranchers use the Rio Grande for livestock. Texas was Mexico and the first settlers were Texicans, not Texans. Generations of Mexicans live here. Some of them signed up for citizenship and some didn’t, in a nation that for decades didn’t care. That we didn’t care is hardly their fault. After all, who had the big stick? The USA or the “illegals” who settled here. Sending them whole sale in trains back to a country they don’t know leaving their family here is never going to happen in a civilized nation. Do you recall the trains of Germany, the Exodus, the Trail of Tears? Mass deportation will never happen here. A dose of context and reality must be introduced at some point. Perry gets that. Actually, most Americans get that. He is bang on with the immigration solutions. He has lived it.
We had 6 years of a Republican-Controlled government. Were they closed?
NO.
Bambi has all but issued an invitation for them to come on in.
The leaves the problems on the backs of the State Governments, because the FedGov refuses to protect it's people. Perry was attempting to address a growing concern (the rise in infectious diseases coming up from the border).
We all know this is out of control. What I don't understand is why folks are bashing him for trying to do something about it - when the FedGov is hamstrining our border-State governors at every turn?
“It’s “bi-national.” — OK, so? It’s just a name. Would you prefer TexMex?
“Is NAFTA an agreement between the State of Texas and the country of Mexico?” — No but that was a different part of the speach where he was trying to get Mexico to honor the water treaty by saying we honor NAFTA.
“Seems to me that the US feds would have to be involved.” — Not really.
And another thing, we can’t buy insurance over state lines! And how about the illegals in New York City?” — You are exactly right! This didn’t affect you at all. Just like the Bi-National insurance the California has implemented affects neither us in Texas or you in New York.
“Somebody didn’t think this through.” — Yeah, that’s why Texas ran a study. After thinking it through, it was determined to not be workable. California on the other hand:
Bi-National Insurance
Many Americans are traveling to Mexico for various types of medical treatments, especially in California. Many people that go to Mexico for their health care are immigrants that cannot afford the cost of health care. Immigrants that live in cities close to the border can belong to “bi-national plans.” A bi-national plan can cost up to $80 a month with a co-payment of $5 to $15. Hospitals stays can range from $300 to $1500 depending on the specific plan and procedure
Nice try, but no banana. How does selling telemedicine to customers across the border turn into an international health care plan? ROFL! WE SELL EVERYTHING ACROSS THAT BORDER! The freaking masa and flour the Mexican Nationals use to make their staple tamales and tortills IS PRODUCED BY FREAKING PILLSBURY AND GENERAL MILLS!!!!! We sell $57 BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF US GOODS TO MEXICO JUST FROM OUR STATE!
STOP THE MADNESS! STOP THE MADNESS! MY GOD, STOP THE MADNESS!
“Border fence.”
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Maybe in New York. But No Texas Fences. 1200 miles of Texas border is not something a fence conquers. The Rio Grande is used by land holders with livestock and water is a premium on a border that already has plenty of rock as mighty as a concrete fence. The Texas border is closed by manpower, air support and high tech. Anything less is putting a billion dollars to a match. Perry is bang on.
Trying to find a way to get Mexico to foot part of that bill, especially since the WH won't close our borders, is an attempt to address the problem - instead of ignoring it.
Is that how Perry said "bi-national insurance" would work? Because I see it as a tremendous breech of American Sovereignty, especially with his open borders philosophy.
By the way, did he also want to give Mexico the bill for educating illegal aliens?
I can see it so clearly that he's been acting like a conservative for the last few months because he fully intended to enter the primaries. Sorry to say that you good Texans have a Juan McCain on your hands. I just hope you guys don't get sucked in like the Arizonans did. All those delegates to the National Convention would be a terrible thing to waste.
Next you whako’s are going to go berserk saying we have an INTERNATIONAL CORN AND WHEAT FLOUR PLAN! Oh woeeeeeeeeeeee is me, the country is going to collapse because we sell Mexico and about every other country on the planet CORN AND WHEAT FLOUR!!!! ITS AN INTERNATIONAL PLAN! START FREAKING OUT IMMEDIATELY!
The FedGov has got their hands so deep in Edu money, that while the schools know the percentages, they aren't allowed to ask or record if a person is here illegally.
Take a look at my post to Tammy. That will give you more background. His move to the hard right on immigration and dispensing with the "open borders" approach started several years ago, when violence along the border became a serious issue.
How can you stand NY? Upstate isn't so bad, but downstate...ugh!
For those of you who think the Elites get together once a year to play Pinochle, consider this......
Bill Clinton - Head of State - USA Attends Bilderberg meeting, Germany, 1991 - gets Presidential Nomination Aug 1992.
Tony Blair - Head of State - UK Attends Bilderberg meeting, Greece, 1993 - becomes party leader Jul 1994 - becomes Prime Minister May 1997.
Jack Santer - previous Head of State (sacked for corruption) - Europe Attends Bilderberg, Germany, 1991 - becomes European President Jan 1995.
Romano Prodi - Head of State - Europe On Bilderberg Steering Committee mid 1980’s, attends Bilderberg meeting, Portugal, Jun 1999 - sworn in as President of Europe Sep 1999 (term lasts until Jan 2005).
George Robertson - CEO - NATO Attends Bilderberg meeting, Scotland, 1998 - sworn in as Secretary General of NATO Aug 1999.
Lionel Jospin, participated in Bilderberg 1996. He became Prime Minister of France in 1997 (until 2002).
And Rick Perry attends Bilderberg 2007... They apparently liked what they heard and approve of an Obama vs Perry "election". Good luck with that.
Insurance that's in effect in both countries. That's dangerous?
the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region
The same is often said of the Toronto-Buffalo region. Does that scare you, too?
If this sort of stuff bothers you, there is little hope.
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He's talking about American doctors, Texas doctors, being able to provide diagnostic services to rural Mexicans via telemedicine. You've probably seen the "remote surgery" and "remote consults" in "futuristic" tv ads before.
Bi-national health insurance is a concept where Mexican nationals, working the United States, would be covered by private US health insurance providers for some services and covered for hospitalizations and other things by the Mexican health care entitlement programs.
Contrast that with our situation today where taxpayers or American premium payers pick up their health care costs.
These initiatives mean less burden on taxpayers and premium payers because Mexico and employers pickup costs, and better healthcare access for people outside metro areas including allowing American doctors to consult on Mexican cases.
This is looks like a very market-based approach to health care problem solving to me.
It attempts to address the serious problem draining our states' safety nets, burdening our private healthcare system because Mexico and employers pay for Mexican workers (and their dependents) rather than Americans, it's provides job opportunities for our health care workers and expands demand and telemedicine gets healthcare where it's badly needed.
Why yes, yes you were.
Tempest is posting URLs.
THAT is a good thing.
Thank you for your answer! I truly have not decided who I support at this point. It is becoming a process of elimination for me. I am realistic enough to know if I do find “my” perfect candidate he/she would not be electable. Not enough people see things the way I do, so I always do have to settle for someone that is more like I want than the others.
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