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‘Back when we were Negroes’
macon.com ^ | July 31, 2011 | Charles E. Richardson

Posted on 09/05/2011 5:31:13 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012

There was a time until the early 1960s when the terms to describe those of African decent, like me -- African-American or Black or Afro-American -- were almost unheard of.

I remember a distinct conversation with a friend discussing descriptive terms for ourselves in 1963 or ’64. The term “black” was just coming into vogue and he didn’t like it one bit. “Call me a Negro,” he said, “but don’t call me black.”

Now, the word “Negro” (publications used a lower case “n”) has almost become a pejorative, so I was a little surprised when my pastor, the Rev. Willie Reid, used it during Thursday’s revival. “Back when we were Negroes,” he said, and listed several things that were different about black life in America back then.

That got me to thinking. Back when we were Negroes in the 1950s, “only 9 percent of black families with children were headed by a single parent,” according to “The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies” by Kay Hymowitz. “Black children had a 52 percent chance of living with both their biological parents until age 17. In 1959, “only 2 percent of black children were reared in households in which the mother never married.” But now that we’re African-Americans, according to Hymowitz, those odds of living with both parents had “dwindled to a mere 6 percent” by the mid-1980s.

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1 posted on 09/05/2011 5:31:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Great sermon.


2 posted on 09/05/2011 5:36:10 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

And so true. American blacks should be so much farther ahead of where they are (in general).


3 posted on 09/05/2011 5:38:40 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

If he keeps this up, he’s going to get kicked off of Jesse Jackson’s Christmas card list!


4 posted on 09/05/2011 5:39:41 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Welcome to Costco. I love you. Welcome to Costco. I love you.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

This will never appear on the HuffPo.


5 posted on 09/05/2011 5:46:04 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: WashingtonSource
Here are a couple of other very worthy points from the author:

Back when we were Negroes, the last thing a young woman wanted to look like was a harlot and a young man a thug, but now that we’re African-Americans, many of our young girls dress like hootchie mamas and our young boys imitate penitentiary custom and wear their pants below the butt line.

Back when we were Negroes, we had names like Joshua, Aaron, Paul, Esther, Melba, Cynthia and Ida. Now that we are African Americans, our names are bastardized versions of alcohol from Chivas to Tequila to C(S)hardonney.

6 posted on 09/05/2011 5:51:36 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: libh8er

For 40 years of my adult life I have said the key to true equality was education. The liberals every step,every vote has been to bar school choice, destroy the family thru welfare. It is so so sad that the majority of our black communities can not and will not see thru the democratic party. Until they do, nothing will change. What is also amazing is the american jews. The christian conservative has been unwavering in their support of the jews.yet they consistantly vote dem.


7 posted on 09/05/2011 5:56:47 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (donnafrflorida)
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To: ilovesarah2012

A very telling description of the current “state of affairs” in the black/negro/AA community !

I still prefer Mr. Lloyd Marcus’s tagline, “Proud unhyphenated American” !

I can also attest to the validity of the author’s contentions. I see the “consequences” every working day ! And, IMNSHO, he “sugar-coated” the reality of the consequences of the liberal exploitive extravaganza culminating the “Great Society” of the LB Johnson Administration. I see multiple generations of prisoners- all suffering the effects of substance abuses and nutritional deprivation resulting in cognitive and emotional/psychological disabilities. Doubtless, as their voting population declines these -”governmentally-disabled” blacks/negros will be abandoned by the liberal establishment in favor of some other race/ethnicity more tractable/reliable in the liberal/progressive “cause”. >PS


8 posted on 09/05/2011 6:05:08 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: re_nortex

Back when we were Negroes

I am 63. Do you realize how old one has to be to remember Negro families? It’s like trying to remember a dream, and then trying to explain how real it was to somebody else.
We met people in South Carolina who remember freed slaves that had belonged to their grandparents. They stayed with them until they all passed away.
Incredible, wonderful Negroes from another time.


9 posted on 09/05/2011 6:08:25 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: ilovesarah2012

Blacks are waking up. Not all of them, not all at once, but the messages of Alveda King, Jesse Lee Peterson, Thomas Sowell and many others are being, I claim, internalized by a silent minority of the black community. I think this is happening slowly, maybe glacially, but I think that it is happening. Significance? Check back in a couple of generations and we’ll know!


10 posted on 09/05/2011 6:13:20 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: ilovesarah2012

If the lefties really believed in social justice, they would tear their garments and sit in ashes over what they’ve done to the black family through their botched social experiments.


11 posted on 09/05/2011 6:15:45 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: re_nortex
A black friend of mine once told me:
"We used to be Negroes. Then we were Afros and soul brothers. Then came Black and then African-American. With you people renaming us all the time it's no wonder our kids don't know who the hell they are. All this time wanting to be equal and now we've worked our way back to saying African first."
12 posted on 09/05/2011 6:23:17 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: WestwardHo

Doesn’t negro mean black in Spanish?


13 posted on 09/05/2011 6:30:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ilovesarah2012
An excellent post.

Some of you 'youngsters' would benefit from reading up on the views of Democrat Senator Patrick Moynihan on the subject of 'Negro' poverty, family and illegitimacy. He had his finger on the problem as early as 1965 during the Johnson administration.

He concluded in a famous report that the rising rate of illegitimacy in the 'Negro' community would have devastating social consequences, a conclusion that has been born out by the history of the last 50 years.

Here is a short article to get you started.

What has always fascinated me about Moynihan, a relatively reasonable man compared to the current crop of Dems, is that he never made the association between the Democrat imposed welfare system and the rising 'Negro' illegitimacy rates.

He didn't understand the basic economic principle that states that if you pay someone to have babies and you pay them more if there is no husband in the house you are going have many young 'Negro' gals taking you up on your offer. Better, way better, to never ever make that offer.

14 posted on 09/05/2011 6:33:06 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

In many ways blacks as a socio-economic group have regressed since when I was a child. I put a lot of blame on the left. They have indeed “kept them on the plantation”. Hopefully that is changing, but not quickly. People like Allen West and Herman Cain can lead the way.


15 posted on 09/05/2011 6:38:09 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

One thing I have learned in my 68 years is that there are Negroes and there are those who are the N-word.

There is a world of difference. I know some fine Negroes.

It’s funny though, although white people respect them they are called Uncle Tom’s by many of their own race.


16 posted on 09/05/2011 6:41:44 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

What ever happened to the whole “content of their character” idea?

Folks of all races can either be productive citizens or human trash.

Years ago, my grandfather employed about 50 black cowboys who were upstanding men. They were hard workers and didn’t have any kind of attitude. They didn’t use the n word because it was disrectfull. These were very religious men who were good family men and raised their kids right. I worked right along with them as a kid and learned a lot from them. We didn’t see differences in race, we were all in the same boat.

Don’t see many of those folks anymore.


17 posted on 09/05/2011 6:51:16 PM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: ilovesarah2012
I grew up in the segregated South and it was always white trash that constantly used the n-word.
My momma always told us to say “colored.”

Now of course when the guys hung out and tried to act tough the n-word was a natural addition to the other profanities.

But we would get a smack upside the head by momma saying it just the same as if we said #*$@!

Didn't really know any black folk until they finally integrated my school around 1968-our locality used the school choice system til the courts said we couldn't.
Seems black parents wanted their children to go to the black schools as much as the white parents wanted theirs to go to white schools.
Now you have to go to college to self segregate.

18 posted on 09/05/2011 6:53:35 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("11/4/2008: The day America elected a pyromaniac in the middle of a fire storm.")
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To: Baynative
"You people"? It hasn't been white people who have forced the change from Negro to Black and then to African American.

Back in the '60s "Negro" was the normal term, but the Nation of Islam ridiculed it (see Alex Haley, The Autobiography of Malcolm X) and it fell out of fashion. To the extent that whites played any role, I think it was the mainstream media responding to pressure from self-appointed leaders like Jesse Jackson (at least for the change to African American).

Probably the reason that Black hasn't disappeared into the same memory hole as Negro (and "colored") is that it is one syllable whereas African American is 7 syllables long.

19 posted on 09/05/2011 6:54:49 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ilovesarah2012
People like Allen West and Herman Cain can lead the way.

I would like to think so. The black community has been ill served by the Jesse Jacksons and Barak Obamas of the world long enough and they deserve better. But that is something they are going to have to work out themselves.

And as much as I would like to say that I see progress in that direction I really don't. The voting patterns tell the story: they still believe that a Democrat managed Federal Government will benefit them at the expense of "the rich". That "Big Lie" has stood the test of time - it still works.

20 posted on 09/05/2011 6:56:37 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: ilovesarah2012

bump


21 posted on 09/05/2011 6:57:25 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama's legacy will be to be remembered as The architect of American Decline)
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To: Paladin2

Ola! (I have now exhausted my Spanish vocabulary.)
I believe there are Spanish variations: nigra, meaning black.


22 posted on 09/05/2011 7:07:34 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Texas resident

As a kid I remember black business’s, Black Hotels, and black places of entertainment, black bars and black entrepaneurs.

These places closed up almost the day we integrated white business’s. Blacks invaded places like Glen Echo and Marshall hall they made them untenable for whites, and these places eventually went under.

The black business’s folded and they went under.

Race relations have gone downhill ever since the big desegregation push.

I won’t try to explain why, but the facts are there.


23 posted on 09/05/2011 7:23:06 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: ilovesarah2012
And who would have predicted that the emerging ghetto culture of the 60s would spread like a toxic gas throughout our culture?

1965, I was playing on our Catholic school 8th grade basketball team, and some of our games were in the ghetto where a Catholic school was. We white suburban boys were shocked by the cheerleaders at these schools: bumping, grinding, to raucous music, far too suggestive for our protected sensibilities. Our cheerleaders used pom-poms, and led the crowd with simple cheers, and a bit of coordinated dance - that was all. How tame. But how the future was with those immodest bumpers & grinders, in case some of you haven't been to a high school basketball game recently.

Now we look with remorse at the wholesomeness destroyed by this poisonous gas. It's not that the ghetto mentality so well defined by the gentleman from Georgia here is solely responsible. It's that all of the component parts that formed this mentality got fleshed out across the Republic.

Pope John Paul II's prescient line: As goes the family, so goes the nation, and so goes the world in which we live. When the Federales displaced fatherhood they set in motion this juggernaut that may yet be the undoing of our nation.
24 posted on 09/05/2011 7:43:41 PM PDT by jobim
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

“Blacks are waking up.”

Really? Then why did 96% of black voters vote for Obama?


25 posted on 09/05/2011 8:04:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Venturer

My daughter is dating a black man. He has been at the same job for 13 years, owns a home, likes hunting and fishing, is not “ghetto” at all. Really nice guy. Wish there were more like him (black and white)!


26 posted on 09/05/2011 8:07:29 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Tzar

They had to know what would happen.


28 posted on 09/05/2011 8:16:39 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
Check here - Stuff Black People Don't Like - if you want to see what's happening with a significant portion of blacks in large metropolitan areas and to those areas in which they live:



When a great enough percentage of Black people enter a once thriving Whitopia, an exodus begins with whites abandoning this city for another. The Black people - who might be upper-to-middle class - that inherit the city cannot sustain it, with businesses fleeing, the tax-base eroding, schools failing, and property value declining. Soon, the Black Undertow takes over,....

When a city has more youths, gangs of teens, Black people prowling the streets instead of the bikers, joggers, and other pedestrians who once made that community such a desired location to live, you know the Black Undertow has overwhelmed it completely.

One of the best examples of climate change is Clayton County, Georgia. Once a thriving Whitopia county, in less than 20 years Clayton County has become a prime example of what transpires when the Black Undertow usurps power through demographic transformation.


Read more at the link and in his (Paul Kersey) articles.
29 posted on 09/05/2011 8:17:41 PM PDT by caveat emptor (Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Da)
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To: Paladin2

I do speak Spanish, and yes, negro in Spanish means exactly that, the color black.


30 posted on 09/05/2011 8:21:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB61)
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To: Texas resident

I was always embarassed when my Norwegian grandmother would use the word nigger. But at 98 years old and me just a kid I wasn’t about to correct her when she would say things like “That nice nigger girl from across the street came over with some muffins, and I made some coffee and we had such a nice time.” (And of course the “girl” was 40 something!)

It was really odd to hear her use such a nasty word in discribing such a nice exchange. (The neighbor gal turned into a good friend over the years.)


31 posted on 09/05/2011 8:21:05 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: Baynative
With you people renaming us all the time it's no wonder our kids don't know who the hell they are.

Right. Blame whitey.

32 posted on 09/05/2011 8:21:26 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Happy Rain

I like the word “colored”because we all have many hues and shades to our skin.White people are not white,nor are black people black,but the the word colored became a pejorative.
You can’t say someone is colored,but you can say “person of color”.
Gads! What madness.


33 posted on 09/05/2011 8:28:23 PM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: WestwardHo

Male is “negro”.Female “negra”.


34 posted on 09/05/2011 8:34:54 PM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Mournful numbers.


35 posted on 09/05/2011 8:39:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (O-blame-r)
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To: ilovesarah2012
“last thing the new church wants to do is invite the community in.”

That reminds me. Three or four years ago, I had a customer whom I considered a friend. Lee was studying for the ministry and had been offered the pastor ship in a church. I told him I wanted to come hear his first sermon. Lee kinda hemmed and hawed around until his bike was ready, then left. I have not seen or heard from Lee since.
Kinda leaves me to think that White folks just ain't welcome in Black or Afro-American or Afro-American churches.

36 posted on 09/05/2011 8:40:35 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: WestwardHo

“We met people in South Carolina who remember freed slaves that had belonged to their grandparents. They stayed with them until they all passed away. Incredible, wonderful Negroes from another time.”

I’m about your age. When I was in elementary school back in the late 1950s we took a field trip to nearby Arlington National Cemetery. When we got back to school the elderly black janitor stopped a few of us in the hall and asked if we got to see the Custis-Lee Mansion, which is the building you now often see in pictures of the JFK gravesite.

It was the home of Robert E Lee’s father in law, the stepson of George Washington, and he told us that when very young his mother had been a personal maid there to Mrs Robert E Lee. He was very proud of his connection with history and the Lee family. Makes me wonder if any of his children and grandchildren share his sentiment. I suspect if they do they keep it to themselves in this era of South-bashing and political correctness.


37 posted on 09/05/2011 8:40:56 PM PDT by Pelham ("Resist we much!" - Al 'Jiffypop' Sharpton)
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To: InterceptPoint
I do not know if Moynahan was sober when he made those statements, but when drunk, he was a flaming Lib.

My father, who was the fairest man I ever met, used to call some of the guys,as appropriate, with whom he worked, "Colored" guys. He said it with great respect for them and their abilities. When he hired a few of his "Colored" friends, he explained to me, as a small boy, they have families to support just as I do.

I always hated the change to "Black" etc, perhaps it was because of my dad. The term Black etc were epithets, not a description of an individual. All of that said, I could not agree more with the sermon. I just cannot understand why the "group" voted 95%. including Colin Powell, for a Dem like O. Martin Luther King was a Republican and they were freed by a Republican, Lincoln. The Dems gave them the varied titles such as African American, Blacks etc. to divide and conquer, the political scene, and heaping upon them generations of welfare sapping their desire to forge ahead.

The NAACP fights Charter Schools that will benefit the "Colored" People and makes them wards of the state, all for the benefit of the Dem Party. Remember, the Democrats call themselves the Party of the Poor, therefor, they have a vested interest in keeping people poor!

38 posted on 09/05/2011 8:43:06 PM PDT by Tuketu (Socialize the Legal System. Then we are all equal before the law.)
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To: Paladin2

“Doesn’t negro mean black in Spanish?”

The Latin root is ‘niger’, black. All of the latinate languages have a similar word for black.


39 posted on 09/05/2011 8:46:25 PM PDT by Pelham ("Resist we much!" - Al 'Jiffypop' Sharpton)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Negros had intact families with the father for the most part as the bread winner with the mothers as homemakers raising God fearing productive members of society...

for some reason, that all changed when they became black

40 posted on 09/05/2011 8:54:54 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: peteyd
You can’t say someone is colored,but you can say “person of color”.

That's similar to not being able to say "poetry book", but saying "book of poetry" is ok.

41 posted on 09/05/2011 9:08:09 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: ilovesarah2012

Back in the late 60’s/early 70’s I seem to remember an elderly Black lady being interviewed on TV.

She said “I been a n*gg*r, I been colored, I been a Ne-gro, I been Black, and now I’m a Afri-Can American.”

“I ain’t changing no mo”


42 posted on 09/05/2011 9:08:11 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

>>”You people”? It hasn’t been white people who have forced the change from Negro to Black and then to African American.

I think in that line he was speaking to the black community, not to whites.


43 posted on 09/05/2011 9:26:06 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Your right, the MSM are the one’s that made Jackson and Sharpton the voices of the black community...That was the 2 they always ran to for comments....


44 posted on 09/05/2011 9:30:36 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Happy Rain

I will be 64 next month. I grew up in the South and in Washington, DC. I was in second grade when “Brown v Board of Education” integrated the DC schools and my class went from one white teacher with 28 white students to 3 teachers with 41 students. All of various shades.

Several years later we were back in Georgia living with my grandmother. I was taught to be polite to the “colored folk”, and never insult them by calling them “black”. If you were highfaluting, you would say “Negro”. A reasonable compromise for both races was “Nigra”. “African” was an insult.

Later, of course, Africa-American and Black became fashionable. When I was in the Corps in the 60’s, “Splib” was acceptable. Somewhere about that time “Brothers” or “Bros” were used by both races.

It looks like PEOPLE will never see the realization of Dr. King’s dream. Some race pimp of one shade or another will keep changing the terminology so that the focus remains on skin color.

Heaven forbid anyone talk about character. Bill Cosby barely gets away with it. Thomas Sowell, Walter Wlliams and others are ignored and Clarance Thomas & Alan Keyes are vilified.

Hopefully, Herman Cain & Alan West will become known simply as good MEN. Period.


45 posted on 09/05/2011 9:31:21 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (“Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address” - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Happy Rain
When I was in High School in the 1950's in the city of Detroit, about 20% of the 4000 students were black, (negro) did not offend them, it is a category of race..The school was 3 stories high and covered about 1/4 of the block, and that didn't include the school property that was fenced and grassed for sports and the ROTC. The ROTC actually brought their guns to school for practice when outside....my my how we have changed...There was summer graduation and winter graduation....one grad. about 550 students and the other about 1/2 that many..it had class's 9 - 12th grade..I don't remember any racial problems at the school.

Trying to skip out of school was the hardest to do...they had a patrol of Detroit police (we called them flyers) that patrolled several times during the day to catch the school skippers....I got good at it...Until one day I came home from school and my mother was ironing (I can still see her standing at the ironing board ) She asked me where I was all day and I said school and she replied..."thats not the truant officer said when he called"

PS the flyers had 4 big cops in the car, you wanted to avoid them (even if you were white) :O)

46 posted on 09/05/2011 9:42:46 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Donnafrflorida

The American Jews that vote Dem are for the most part not Jews. There is nothing Jewish about them other than maybe their names. They are Godless liberals first, and liberals last.


47 posted on 09/05/2011 11:06:45 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: Tupelo

“Kinda leaves me to think that White folks just ain’t welcome in Black or Afro-American or Afro-American churches.”

Yep, Sunday morning...the most segregated hour in America.


48 posted on 09/06/2011 2:02:21 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Chode

They became black after desegragation. Now that blacks could go anywhere they flocked to the white businesses to which they had been previously banned. Thus killing many of the businesses in the black community and leading to the downward spiral.


49 posted on 09/06/2011 2:13:51 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Pelham

We live in a fallen world. We can be incredibly evil to each other. Look at what goes on in “families” these days.

In the slave days people were people. Like to today, most people were just working hard to take care of their families and put food on the table. They weren’t self-destructive, or working to see how evil they could be.
There were slave owners who freed their slaves before the Civil War. They were family! There were slave owners who looked to the day slavery would be ended. In the mean time, slaves needed their homes and their job. They needed protection.
An old time Southern family member asked me, “Can you quit your job, and just run off?”
It’s so wrong that the other side of the story of American Negroes is not taught.


50 posted on 09/06/2011 3:15:11 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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