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A Brief Time Line of events of Watergate and Monica Lewinsky vs. Gunwalker
Nachumlist ^ | 10/5/11 | Nachum

Posted on 10/06/2011 11:48:05 AM PDT by Nachum

The Time Line of events of Watergate and Monica Lewinsky vs. Gunwalker

Perspective

Perspective is always interesting in judging events. At what point does a scandal turn from merely being a public relations "snafu" into a real crisis for our modern presidents. The best answer might be found in the timelines surrounding the scandals of presidents who faced the spectre of possible or actual impeachment. How much time does it take for a scandal to reach the actual vote or threatened vote of impeachment. If one dislikes the current occupant of the Oval Office, it cannot happen fast enough and if one supports the president, than they hope it dissappears. What if there is actual evidence and it cannot be whitewashed? When evidence or events are proven to be true was it a matter of months or was it years?

Watergate Timeline: Source: Watergate.info)

* June 17, 1972: Five men, one of whom says he used to work for the CIA, are arrested at 2:30 a.m. trying to bug the offices of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate hotel and office complex.

* January 30, 1973: Former Nixon aides G. Gordon Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping in the Watergate incident. Five other men plead guilty

* April 30, 1973: Nixon's top White House staffers, H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman, and Attorney General Richard Kleindienst resign over the scandal. White House counsel John Dean is fired.

* May 18, 1973: The Senate Watergate committee begins its nationally televised hearings. Attorney General-designate Elliot Richardson taps former solicitor general Archibald Cox as the Justice Department's special prosecutor for Watergate.

* July 27, 1974: House Judiciary Committee passes the first of three articles of impeachment, charging obstruction of justice.

* August 8, 1974: Richard Nixon

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunrunner; gunwalker; lewinsky; watergate
I thought it would be interesting to compare the events to give some perspective.
1 posted on 10/06/2011 11:48:11 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
Interesting Oh Boy ping.


JUST DO IT!

2 posted on 10/06/2011 11:51:42 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Nachum

To me the more interesting comparison is Holder v Elliott Abrams, Caspar Weinberger and Scooter Libby. If Holder were held to the same std as those guys, he’d be in jail.


3 posted on 10/06/2011 11:58:44 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I pray that is exactly where Holder will be before this over (b4 Soetoro is out).


4 posted on 10/06/2011 12:06:21 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Brilliant

I pray that is exactly where Holder will be before this is over (b4 Soetoro is out).


5 posted on 10/06/2011 12:06:45 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Nachum

The comparison is not going to work.

Because of the salacious nature of the Lewinsky deal, the immediate reaction of the MSM seemed to be “Uh-oh, our boy is toast”. It took a day or two for them to realize Clinton would probably survive and a little longer to start turning the thing against the Pubs.

This time the MSM is determined to keep the deal under the rug and not allow it to boil over. Yesterday, the AP said Bush did the same thing and the Pubs are a bunch of hypocrites— not an exact quote, but very close. The MSM is not going to repeat its earlier mistake of actually trying to dig up facts as they did when the Lewinsky story first broke. This is going to be “nothing here to get upset about” the whole way.


6 posted on 10/06/2011 12:07:04 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: MestaMachine

Who will become “Gunwalker’s” “Maximum” John Sirica?
Who will become “Gunwalker’s” James McCord?
Who will become “Gunwalker’s” Alexander Butterfield?

Inquiring minds want to know.


7 posted on 10/06/2011 12:07:59 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Nachum
Info moves much faster now than even 12 years ago during the Monica scandal. It is pretty clear Holder knew about the program, lied to Congress about it and is now in serious trouble. The real action is who else knew, how far did it go into the White House and did Bam know.

It is hard to imagine that Holder will rat out the Bamster, but if there are memos, meeting notes and maybe tapes :-), then Bam is at serious risk.

This is an easy one to grasp, dead border agents because the ATF was playing games.

Holder is toast, it remains to see who else goes down.

schu

8 posted on 10/06/2011 12:10:43 PM PDT by schu
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To: San Jacinto

The only reason I bring up the comparison as a timeline is merely to show that even when the press is against the president (Nixon), or when there was damning physical evidence (Monica) the process drags out.

I do not disagree that the media will carry Obama’s water. As discovery plays out and physical evidence is presented to Issa’s committe, who knows what will happen (Serendipity)?


9 posted on 10/06/2011 12:11:31 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

No coincidence, Holder came from the stink of the Clinton administration.


10 posted on 10/06/2011 12:11:34 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: schu
Holder is toast, it remains to see who else goes down.

It brings up all sorts of interesting scenarios. If Holder has to go down, will he get a presidential pardon? I think that the John Dean of this mess could come from one of the disaffected ATF agents. Documents might have been collected. Physical evidence too. However, the discovery process could yield something that nobody could think of.

11 posted on 10/06/2011 12:14:24 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

You rightly point out that this will probably go past next year’s election.

The next president will have to decide if having a criminal trial of their predecessor is “good for the country”.

This is a criminal conspiracy with the principals as accessories to murder.

I suggest the next POTUS turn Obama and Holder over to the Mexican gov’t for prosecution!


12 posted on 10/06/2011 12:16:36 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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ping


13 posted on 10/06/2011 12:44:27 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
he get a presidential pardon?

This story has legs, Holder will NOT get a pardon IMHO. Issa etal are working behind the scenes to find their "John Dean". I am guessing there are plenty of volunteers, this program cannot have been that popular. It has become especially toxic because of the dead agents (and who knows what else).

I will be surprised if Bam is not implicated in some manner, but he will just be damaged goods, this is not likely to take him down. Some big fish in the WH is squirming right now however. Maybe Valarie J? We can only hope ...

schu

14 posted on 10/06/2011 12:51:47 PM PDT by schu
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To: San Jacinto
I like the poem on your home page. Who wrote it? I have many fond memories of living in TX for nearly 10 years, and I attest that what is writ about Texas grit on your home page is true. I just wish that the author had had it in his heart to credit, also, The Yellow Rose for keeping Santa Anna occupied so that Genl. Sam could take them by surprise.The Yellow Rose
15 posted on 10/06/2011 1:03:46 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Nachum

The thing that infuriates me the most is that these arms were smuggled into Mexico straight into the hands of criminals. I wouldn’t blame the Mexicans for declaring war on us. Or, taking us to the World Court for aggressive actions by our government against their government.


16 posted on 10/06/2011 1:14:29 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You need to add the resignation of Nixon VP Spiro Agnew in Oct 1973 after charges brought against him. I think it is pretty well accepted that the Repubs saw the handwriting on the wall for Nixon and could not stomach Agnew for President and felt to save the party in next election that Ford stood a better chance.


17 posted on 10/06/2011 2:12:26 PM PDT by bunster
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To: Nachum

Nachum,
I was in D.C. during Watergate.
This is exactly correct. It takes time.
What we can hope for is that Issa Grassley etc bite like a bulldog and refuse to let go.
In the last week alone there have been stories from the L.A. Times to the No where Journel spreading the news about this. It is mushrooming and this Geenie will not get stuffed back in some bottle.
Nixon lied, no one died.
A federal agent has been killed and a whole lot of Mexicans too. You can run but you can’t hide there B.H.O


18 posted on 10/06/2011 2:38:28 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO)
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To: Joe Boucher
I was in D.C. during Watergate.

Must have been an interesting time.

19 posted on 10/06/2011 2:47:26 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I worked communications at the Pentagon.CIA FBI Joint Chiefs
Justice Dept. etc. Very interesting, exciting and fun.
Learned a bucket full about our gubmint.
Back then you could just walk in and around the Capital.
Went last year and it was locked down like fort knox.
Ten times worse than when even Bill and Hill were there.
Guess they feel a bit more worried about safety nowadays.


20 posted on 10/06/2011 3:04:11 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO)
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To: Joe Boucher
Guess they feel a bit more worried about safety nowadays.

So the burning question is "who are they afraid of?".

21 posted on 10/06/2011 3:07:31 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

From what Holder and Napolitano say it is a Christian, white family man, former military, NRA member who drives a pickup and clings to his families history. Me.


22 posted on 10/06/2011 3:11:18 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (FUBO)
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To: Joe Boucher

:)


23 posted on 10/06/2011 3:21:36 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
We're in different times now.

During Watergate, they knew they were breaking the law. They accepted the realities of the law once they got caught.

The Clinton Administration changed the rules. They instituted the policy of "Deny, deny, deny."

No longer would they accept the realities of the law if caught. Democrats began to flout the law by circling the wagons around the embattled one, they began defending the indefensible, and they began the "delay, delay, delay" strategy of outlasting the opposition (weak Republicans). The Democrats knew that they could count on the MSM to provide cover for them, while providing flanking fire at the skittish Republicans.

After Bush beat Gore, the Democrats advanced to new lows by openly undermining Republicans with lies and obstructionist parliamentary procedures (Kennedy's "Lie after lie after lie..." and filibustering judicial nominations), all in the name of opposing an illegitimate president.

Furthermore, the way that Pelosi engineered the smears of the 2006 mid-term election that swept her into power foreshadowed what was to come.

Congressional Democrats no longer felt constrained by the Constitutional process, abusing longstanding rules and traditions to force through unconstitutional legislation that favored the Left.

Now, they don't even pretend to be constrained by laws. Obama issues waivers to allies as if he actually had the power to do so, and nobody pushes back.

Obama says the most outrageous lies, and nobody challenges them.

Republicans in Congress use their oversight powers to compel testimony, and the witnesses brazenly lie or exercise 5th amendment rights (even after negotiating terms of appearance to the contrary).

And we're now to be expected to just let this slide, that in these new times we can't be bothered by such trivialities anymore.

-PJ

24 posted on 10/06/2011 3:37:38 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
We're in different times now.

Are we? I would like to think so, but I think that American politicians have tried to push the envelope at times before. I am sure you can find times in American history that the legislature was just as duplicitous. I live through the Viet Nam era and those were very interesting times. I rather think that we tend to make the same mistakes over and over. We will all suffer for this stupidity. The fall will be very painful too.

25 posted on 10/06/2011 3:50:00 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
So the burning question is "who are they afraid of?".

They are afraid of the same thing as any occupier, the locals!

27 posted on 10/06/2011 4:27:13 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: Nachum

Good Job Nachum


28 posted on 10/06/2011 5:14:57 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Nachum
I think that American politicians have tried to push the envelope at times before.

Reid just played the nuclear option to revoke filibusters in the Senate, and force bills through without the possibility of amendment.

-PJ

29 posted on 10/06/2011 5:17:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: San Jacinto

Ms. Attkisson just appeared live on BOR. Ole’ blowhard did his usual interview where he kept talking over his guest when she was trying to answer his questions.

She appeared much more measured and “precise” in her comments, especially on the cursing thing but she acknowledged it was a very important story that she is obviously not letting go of it.


30 posted on 10/06/2011 5:29:22 PM PDT by mazda77
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