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Peter Schiff Prepare or Die
Snap Wire ^ | 11/1/11 | Peter Schiff

Posted on 10/31/2011 8:07:51 PM PDT by Kartographer

Jim Rawls is with Peter Schiff today. He maintains a survivalist blog and is the author of several science fiction survival books. He is concerned about the possibility of an economic collapse and the hyperinflation that may be right around the corner. Interest in survival and family preparedness is up by about 30% in the past year. Right now, people seem to be more concerned about man-made disasters rather than natural disasters. You can see this in Egypt right now. The primary catalyst for all the riots over there is because the price of food has increased so substantially. Coffee beans is a great way to protect yourself. It is an item that can be easily bartered in the case of a survival situation. A product like coffee is also a good item to buy because if the price of it goes up, you won’t have to pay any capital gains taxes. Alcohol is another such product. The situation that we are in right now is similar to the way people felt back in the 1970s. Many people were stocking up for the future, but it turned out to be a false alarm. Back then, Reagan and the Federal Reserve did the right thing by raising interest rates. However, it might not be a false alarm this time. Even though the dollar wasn’t backed by gold, we were able to restore confidence in the dollar. We did that with high interest rates. This time, it is impossible for the Fed to raise interest rates that high because it would make the debt

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: beprepared; dire; emergencyprep; getreadyhereitcomes; inflation; oil; peterschiff; prepperping; preppers; qe; schiff; shtf; survivalping; tshtf
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“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”
1 posted on 10/31/2011 8:07:52 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers Ping!


2 posted on 10/31/2011 8:08:47 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

We are on the edge. Everyday there is a new story about the ‘Yutes’ who grow more restless everyday and when you add the fact that because of the economy people are already on edge it won’t take much to set things off.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

Today we have ‘yutes’ who roam our streets who are with out morals, without respect for law or life itself. They will look are you with the same ‘doll eyes’ a shark does before he eats you and they will feel no more compassion than the shark does.

That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do to stop the ‘yutes’. On the other hand the ‘yutes’ won’t think twice nor lose a minute of sleep, in fact they will smile and laugh about it.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3


3 posted on 10/31/2011 8:09:32 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

most dire.


4 posted on 10/31/2011 8:12:36 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Kartographer

For those that missed it I suggest that you look over post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2797776/posts

This is about a Bosnia war survivor and some of his first-hand observations of real SHTF. Like:

“OK, i wanna share with you my own experience. (be patient with my English, i am from far away ) I am from Bosnia, and as some of you may know it was hell here from 92-95, anyway, for 1 whole year i lived and survived in a city of 50 000- 60 000 residents WITHOUT: electricity, fuel,running water,real food distribution, or distribution of any goods, or any kind of organized law or government.The city was surrounded for 1 year and in that city actually it was SHTF situation. (SNIP) Some of us was better prepared, but most of families had food for couple of days, some of us had pistol, few owned AK-47 when all started.

Anyway, after one month or two, gangs started with their nasty job,hospital looked like butchery, police force vanished, 80 percent of hospital staff gone home. I was lucky, my family was big in that time (15 members in one big house, 5-6 pistols, 3 Kalashnikov s) so we lived and survived, most of us. (SNIP) After three months rumors started abouth first deaths from starvation,deaths from low temperatures, we stripped every door , window frame from abandoned houses for heating, i burned all my own furniture for heating, lot of people died from diseases, mostly from bad water (two of my family members), we used rain water for drink, several times i ate pigeons, once i ate rat. Money did not worth sh..

we traded things, black market worked, few examples: for 1 corned beef can you could have woman for couple of hours(sounds bad, but it was reality) i remember, most of that womans were just desperate mothers, candles, lighters,antibiotics,fuel,batteries, rifle ammo and of course food, we fight like animals for that.”


5 posted on 10/31/2011 8:12:54 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The U.S. Army has found that canned meats, vegetables and jam were in “excellent states of preservation” after 46 years.


6 posted on 10/31/2011 8:15:08 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: Kartographer

ping


7 posted on 10/31/2011 8:16:15 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer

I always preach to my kids “Hope for the best but prepare for the worst”. They think I am too negative! Oh well they are 18 & 20 year old’s!


8 posted on 10/31/2011 8:18:18 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Perry is a good man but his one on one debates with Obama keeps me awake at nights.)
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To: Kartographer

Selco Blog:

Great and useful firsthand SHTF information!

http://shtfschool.com/


9 posted on 10/31/2011 8:21:02 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: ken21

I am STILL soooo not prepared having come off a tough year...just in past couple weeks coming out of the woods...though very pleased to be getting on track again...they are saying the most time might be two or three years before the whole thing blows. Not much time and no gurantee that long.

So how does one prioritize with time running down?

Food , Water, Protection...then what? Seems the lists on line are endless!


10 posted on 10/31/2011 8:22:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: Kartographer

ping for later


11 posted on 10/31/2011 8:23:32 PM PDT by gawatchman
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To: djf

I was serving with the Marines in Vietnam in 1966-67. Our C-rations at the time usually read 1944 or 1945. They generally tasted like crap either way. But they didn’t kill you either. Plus we got gum, four cigarettes, TP and matches!


12 posted on 10/31/2011 8:28:10 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: caww

Going on day 4 with no power.

Here is what I did not have:

gasoline
Enough cash
A freakin radio ( I know, stupid)
A switch installed in my furnace to hook up to a generator

No need for ammo, but based on the lines at the gas station, it would not be far away...if there was no end in site.

I have plenty of food, but the stores are open a few miles away. But they had no produce.

Just a quick list from a pretty tame emergency. Good practice. The list grows every day.


13 posted on 10/31/2011 8:33:22 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: caww
I would suggest basic, cheap food, making connection with your neighbors, basic protection first, then upgrading as you can. If you buy only 200 lbs of rice and 200 lbs of dried beans, put in scrounged 5 gallon buckets, costs about $250-$300 dollars, yet will provide basic food for over a year for one person.

You can get a cheap .22 marlin model 60 out of pawn shop for $100, and buy 1000 rds of ammo for $50. I recently bought 6,000 rds on special, online, for $170.

Getting to know your neighbors takes a little time, but no money. It is likely some of the best “prepper” preparation that you can do.

14 posted on 10/31/2011 8:33:39 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: ExtremeUnction

My digestive system for the last day or so has been pretty grumpy, and it’s highly unusual...

Think I got into a can of clam chowder that was a bit off!

I once opened a can of Hunt’s Spaghetti sauce that was about 6 years old. Except for the level being a bit down, which I assume was due to some evaporation (still can’t figure that, but a water molecule is pretty darn small, and if gas can work it’s way through a metal can, I suppose water can do the same).

Besides for the fact it was a bit down, I could detect NO difference with the same product if I had bought it yesterday.


15 posted on 10/31/2011 8:37:11 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: Vermont Lt
A freakin radio ( I know, stupid)

Been there, done that! I recently bought two nice batter operated radios. I find that I use them quite a bit. You can get a decent multiband for about $25.

16 posted on 10/31/2011 8:37:16 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: ExtremeUnction
I was serving with the Marines in Vietnam in 1966-67. Our C-rations at the time usually read 1944 or 1945.

I did my basic training in 1980. They gave us C-rations for two days (USAF). They were the same thing (same kind of dates, but a decade later), including the smokes.

No smokes in the MREs, but they do have TP, gum, and matches, these days.

Upside is you don't need a P-38 to open anything. Downside is after a while, they also taste like crap.

In the Mexican war, the War Department finally used up the last of the hardtack from the Civil War. That's some old crackers.

/johnny

17 posted on 10/31/2011 8:38:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

I urge you to consider a pump action shotgun (Mossberg 500 is what I have) and 100 rounds of buckshot. A shotgun is a good intimidating weapon and could at times be enough to convince and bad guy that the price is just going to be to high.


18 posted on 10/31/2011 8:41:49 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: marktwain
If you buy only 200 lbs of rice and 200 lbs of dried beans

I take it rice and dried beans last indefinitely? Been thinking about buying a few months worth of MREs, but maybe this is a better idea?

19 posted on 10/31/2011 8:43:16 PM PDT by kevao
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To: caww
I recommend getting some of the 40-50lb bags of pinto beans and white rice from SAMS, etc and putting them off in a corner somewhere. Then start looking for 5 gallon, food grade plastic buckets and mylar bags (there are plenty of YouTube videos showing how to put that food away). Consider one 5-gallon bucket of food to equal one person-month of bare survival rations.

Then start throwing extra cans in the cart every trip to the grocery store. (Start with the biggest cans of peanut butter you can find).

We also have a monthly delivery of about $100 worth of freeze-dried meat from "Shelf Reliance" each month. That's for putting into the beans and rice so that it's actually edible (and it also has an extremely long shelf life).

Next, set your sites on a "Big Berkey" water filter with at least 4 "Black Berkey" filter elements. That'll go a long way towards taking care of the water need.

Once you've done these fairly modest things you can at least breath a little easier.

BTW, it's also good to put back a good supply of raw honey (preferably from a local beekeeper). Also some candy bars might not be a horrible idea to put back just as a pick-me-up during difficult times (I've read that suggestion several places).

Forget precious metals, but there seems to be a concensus that in the worst case that bullets will make a decent medium of exchange.

I've been preparing since Nov. 2008, and I still have plenty more I need to be doing. This is at least a start. Once you do get started...just keep at it. We may still have a couple of years before the wave hits.

20 posted on 10/31/2011 8:44:22 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: djf

Need to add the corn beef to the list.


21 posted on 10/31/2011 8:46:04 PM PDT by Orange1998 (Obama also inherited AAA credit rating.)
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To: kevao

LDS list of the shelf life of various foods:

http://www.dealstomeals.com/docs/One_Year_Supply_Guide.pdf


22 posted on 10/31/2011 8:52:49 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
I urge you to consider a pump action shotgun (Mossberg 500 is what I have) and 100 rounds of buckshot.

Slugs will be handy too for taking down big game -- deer and elk in rural areas; Libs and Progressives in metro areas.

23 posted on 10/31/2011 8:53:10 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Orange1998

Royal or DAK canned hams too.


24 posted on 10/31/2011 8:55:40 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: The Duke
These are good.



They are exactly the right size to hold 32 1 lb cans of food. 4X4 in the bottom, two layers.


And they are stackable and almost indestructible. and have handles if you need to bug out quick.
25 posted on 10/31/2011 8:55:50 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: djf

Damn pic shows up almost life sized!!!

Sorry!


26 posted on 10/31/2011 8:57:19 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: djf

Funny thing that Selco made a comment on was that during the Bosnia War containers was a shortage item.


27 posted on 10/31/2011 8:58:04 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: kevao
"I take it rice and dried beans last indefinitely?"

If they're kept in the cool (e.g., 40-50 degrees, F), dark (no sunlight) and dry, they can last a very long time. And make sure that pests (e.g., rodents) can't get to them at all.


28 posted on 10/31/2011 9:03:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: marktwain

We get the buckets and lids from the ladies at our local grocery store for $1 each. We have all the dried stuff and now we are working on stocking up on canned meat. We checked around and found that in our area Walmart has the best price ($4.38) on a can of corned beef. We picked up 4 additional cans last week. Costco has a high quality canned roast beef in the four pack for $10.99. We have tried it and its really good.

Personally we buy all ammo locally and pay cash. I think the Feds are tracking ammo purchases. Just our take on it.


29 posted on 10/31/2011 9:04:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer

So far I have about 9 of them filled with various canned stuff. About a third of the canned goods I got.

The fact that they’re stackable and very sturdy is a big plus. Beats the heck out of those chintzy plastic bags you get at the store, or even a good paper bag can’t take the strain.


30 posted on 10/31/2011 9:05:43 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: caww
Water first: death without water in oh, say 72 hours or so.

Shelter: if you're up in Michigan, or Minnesota, and it is fall or later, rank equal to water.

Food: Yup, need that too, unless you're built like Jabba the Hutt and without diabetes.

Guns: to fight off those who want your food.

Friends/relatives: to take turns watching.

But an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of preparation.

Vote out Obaama.

Educate your neighbors.

Cheers!

31 posted on 10/31/2011 9:22:38 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: djf

Thanks for the suggestion ... added to my acquire-list! :)


32 posted on 10/31/2011 9:30:11 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Kartographer

I read that blog...and so did my husband....he says now he’s glad we have a Russian family building a new house right next to us....LOL.


33 posted on 10/31/2011 9:32:17 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Vermont Lt
A freakin radio ( I know, stupid)

Had one of these for years, AM, FM, SW. No Batteries required!

34 posted on 10/31/2011 9:32:21 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: caww

Consider Sauerkraut....sounds weird....but, it’s cheap, and nutritious....and if you can’t get fresh veggies, it could be a lifesaver. Oh, and it lasts a LONG time, too.


35 posted on 10/31/2011 9:33:22 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Nailbiter

ping


36 posted on 10/31/2011 9:37:48 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: Kartographer

Gotta read tomorrow placemark.


37 posted on 10/31/2011 9:42:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: The Duke

Hint:
Best place to pick them up?

You can buy them online for 5 or 6 bucks apiece, ferget it.
Go to a Goodwill. People take their stuff and donate it to Goodwill, and they end up with more plastic containers and rubbermaid stuff than they can shake a stick at. They practically give them away.


38 posted on 10/31/2011 9:44:58 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: goodnesswins

I’ve been buying more canned sweet potatoes.
2 lb can for like 1.25, can’t beat it.

Very versatile. Breakfast - Dinner - don’t need any condiments. Warm, cold, mashed, just about any way you want them.
Also, one of the few veggies kids will eat and like and actually ask for more.


39 posted on 10/31/2011 9:49:28 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: djf; All

To this point, there has been no mention of medical supplies or medicine or ordinary items like asprin and first aid materials although I may have missed it. Once should imagine they will be in short supply and very valuable.

Additionally, I would suggest medical first aid books, including those that discuss illness, head injuries, suturing, setting broken bones, etc. Such is usually found in Wilderness Medicine books, Emergency Preparedness/Emergency Survival books, etc.

If we actually have 2-4 years as has been suggested in this forum, there would seem to be time for advanced first aid courses.

How about them KC Chiefs!


40 posted on 10/31/2011 9:49:56 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Their bible calls for either our conversion or our death - how and when has that changed ?)
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To: frog in a pot

You can buy a Blackhawk Stomp kit for about 375 bucks.


41 posted on 10/31/2011 9:54:18 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: djf

Great idea....adding to my list. I do have a bunch of canned pumpkin around somewhere too...altho it may be more expensive.


42 posted on 10/31/2011 9:58:50 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: caww; djf

OK, I screwed up, was watching MNF and sent my response to caww to djf instead.

What I wanted to send to djf was a commment on the lifetime of c-rats v MREs. The US Army indicates the nutritional value of MREs begins to degrade after a few years. I have a good supply of canned goods and plan to eat the MREs first. My plan is to supplement the MREs with vitamins but, of course, there is also an expiration issue with vitamins. djf’s tag line suggests a further reason to stock up on vitamins.


43 posted on 10/31/2011 10:01:52 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Their bible calls for either our conversion or our death - how and when has that changed ?)
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To: kevao

Yes, white rice will last almost indefinitely if kept sealed and dry. I buy 1/2 Ball canning jars and fill to the top with rice. For extra protection I put 1 dessicant and 1 oxy absorber in. Store away from light if possible. Mine is covered in the garage with black blanket.

Go to an Asian store in town, you can get a 25 lb bag of yummy jasmine rice for $18.

Go to the grocery store. Buy 50 cans of black beans, 50 cans of refried beans, and also, black eyed peas. Baked beans are fine, but you won’t find them as palatable for daily consumption as black beans.

Store canned goods at 75 if possible and they will last 20 years. I have done my research on this, comes from a canning association in Europe. There is no standard for sell dates on canned goods. It is simply a gov requirement to slap one on. Essentially it is completely arbitrary.

Also, hit multiple Asian stores until you find one that sells New Zealand or Australian chunky corned beef. Much better than the mushy Brazilian stuff. Heat it, pour off the fat and it is more like pot roast.

Canned potatoes, buy 50 cans (get diced and whole cans). You can fry these with the corned beef, surprisingly good. Buy canned carrots, add those and they sweeten up the homemade hash nicely.

For $200 you have months worth of food that is easily cooked and eaten & stores as long as MREs.

Oh, and by whatever canned veggies you are willing to eat already. Lots. I buy corn, green beans and spinach by the case.

This method is much cheaper than Mountain House and just as long life.

For variety I also have about 50 cans of tuna, 50 cans of chunk white chicken breast (much higher quality than they used to be) and canned salmon.

If you own a gas grill, keep 3 propane tanks filled for it. Once you buy the tanks it’s cheap enough. You can cook a long time on 3 tanks.

Charcoal grill? (I have both) buy 5 gallon buckets at Lowes and fill with a good brand of charcoal. Seal them and stack 4 or 5 in the corner of your garage.

As someone else noted, get a pump 12 gauge and 00 buckshot. The ultimate home defense weapon. Surf youtube for demos of pump shotguns. Devastating at 25 feet. And very intimidating when you rack a round into the chamber. Pumps are simpler and reliable.

A good handgun, 38 or bigger. A semi auto long gun. A good 22 first, then if you can afford it, something with more punch like an AR15. Start stockpiling ammo. Every time I go into Wally World I buy a box of 100 CCI long rifle. It adds up without much pain.

Youtube is a great place to get reviews of firearms if you are selective about what you watch.


44 posted on 10/31/2011 10:08:16 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: frog in a pot

In 1968, a couple government archeologists discovered the sunken Steamboat Bertrand in the Missouri river north of Omaha.

It was headed for the new gold fields in Montana, loaded with supplies.
New gold fields in 1865 that is, when it sank.

Over half a million artifacts were recovered, including TONS of canned and dried foods. Peaches, sardines, olives, you name it, it was a floating Wal-Mart.

They tested the food. It had lost it’s fresh taste and color, but as long as the seals were good, it was still edible. No bacterial contamination. A hundred years old.

I’ve heard of brave souls trying food from the pyramids and from Roman shipwrecks and not croaking.

As always, if a can is bulging, smells bad, or is IN ANY WAY suspicious, toss it.


45 posted on 10/31/2011 10:12:38 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Since you don't have gasoline, a switch on your furnace wouldn't be helpful:) Is your furnace 110 or 220? If 220 does your gen put out 220?

When I wired my house during building I wired in a few junctions just to power up critical circuits.

There is another trick for getting power to circuits but I'm not telling. If you don't know circuitry already you could get dangerous:)

46 posted on 10/31/2011 10:15:39 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: djf

The ones I see on the internet for $300 are for the container only, they are not loaded out with supplies.

One can put together a kit, but one needs to know wth they are doing in that regard. For instance what kind of suturing materials, what kind of necessary supplies can one obtain without a prescription, what kind of things can one obtain from nurse and doctor friends, antibiotics, anesthesia, etc.

Often thought I would tell my doctor I was going into the backcountry up in Alaska on a scientific mission for several months and needed some emergency “stuff” to see what he would recommend and perhaps provide (he would know I was BSing him but wouldn’t say anything).

Gotta’ hit the sack, good night!


47 posted on 10/31/2011 10:18:31 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Their bible calls for either our conversion or our death - how and when has that changed ?)
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To: frog in a pot

They usually have them at the gun show near me for about 400 bucks. These aren’t just the shells, these are complete, loaded with all the supplies.


48 posted on 10/31/2011 10:23:21 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I recommend a Rocket Stove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSwZm1K1rA0&feature=related


49 posted on 10/31/2011 10:31:34 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Thanks for the very informative reply. I will definitely present this info to my wife, who only recently is starting to become only mildly concerned about these things.

We live in a major metropolitan area, which is bad, but we do have a good stock of propane tanks for the gas grill, and plenty (i.e., a very fine assortment) of guns and ammo, as well as ample components/equipment for loading more as required. Our weakness is sufficient food and water stores for SHTF. I’m a Ham, so have HF radios, including tube rigs to survive an EMP, but still have no generator.

Thing is, I know most of what we need. But to justify the expense of it all to the wife is difficult. Sure, she’d agree if she knew for certain that SHTF was coming, but she’s also old enough to remember how the world was going to end on January 1, 2000. Thank God I didn’t blow our savings to prepare for that one; I’d have never heard the end of it....


50 posted on 10/31/2011 10:35:06 PM PDT by kevao
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