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Rudy Giuliani (4 years ago today was the front runner. It's not over yet, folks!)
conservapedia.com ^ | 2/15/11 (modified) | Staff

Posted on 11/16/2011 8:44:13 PM PST by Sun

Giuliani took the lead in national polls until December 2007, when he began to fall behind other candidates (snip)

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: bachmann; cain; giuliani; santorum
In fact, Rudy Giuliani was 13.6 points ahead of the next front runner (Fred Thompson).

So don't give up on fighting for your favorite conservative candidate. There's still time!

1 posted on 11/16/2011 8:44:14 PM PST by Sun
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To: Sun

Rudy was an adulterer lame duck politician with no future.

Then 9/11 happened.

Then he’s a hero. Runs for President. Huge speaker fees.

Right. Anything can happen!


2 posted on 11/16/2011 8:48:24 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Sun
Yeah....and we got McCain. Good for us.

/s

3 posted on 11/16/2011 8:53:11 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Sun

Yeah...then we got mclame and we still lost. The candidates this time around are similarly disappointing.


4 posted on 11/16/2011 8:54:15 PM PST by jimnm
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To: Sun

“Over”???

The first primary hasn’t even been held.

Fer cryin’ out loud people. Let’s just ask the liberal media to appoint our candidate then.


5 posted on 11/16/2011 8:54:38 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Evict the unsanitary, violent occupiers. Now.)
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To: Sun

Rudy is right about many things but he isn’t conservative except in NYC. His lawsuits against gunmakers are unforgivable.


6 posted on 11/16/2011 8:56:34 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: All; TigerClaws

Here’s the average poll (RCP) from 4 years ago:

29.1 Giuliani +13.6

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2012_2008_gop_presidential_race_4_years_ago.html

Today’s frontrunner(s) is hardly a “done deal,” just as it wasn’t 4 years ago.

KEEP FIGHTING for CONSERVATIVES! We can get rid of the RINOs.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2012_2008_gop_presidential_race_4_years_ago.html


7 posted on 11/16/2011 8:59:16 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: edpc

“Yeah....and we got McCain. Good for us.”

Let’s not make that mistake again. Let’s not settle.


8 posted on 11/16/2011 9:00:46 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: jimnm

“we got mclame and we still lost.”

Maybe we lost because we got McCain. Maybe people thought he was the one who could win, and compromised their principles. Maybe some conservatives didn’t fight hard enough.


9 posted on 11/16/2011 9:03:13 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“The first primary hasn’t even been held.

Fer cryin’ out loud people. Let’s just ask the liberal media to appoint our candidate then.”

EXACTLY! I think you might be the only one who gets the point I’m trying to make (but maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough).


10 posted on 11/16/2011 9:04:58 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: edpc

McCain = Newt
Thompson = Cain


11 posted on 11/16/2011 9:06:52 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Sun

I don’t think its too late for anybody....not Rudy, not Christie, and not Rubio....IF they want it....


12 posted on 11/16/2011 9:07:05 PM PST by cherry
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To: truthfreedom

truthfreedom’s candidate = whom?


13 posted on 11/16/2011 9:08:06 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Evict the unsanitary, violent occupiers. Now.)
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To: Sun

She might be able to find some liberal trial lawyer to sue someone, for that whiplash she must have from such a sudden reversal.

Sheesh.

Ann, what in the world? Is she trying to become Karl Rove’s replacement?


14 posted on 11/16/2011 9:11:05 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Evict the unsanitary, violent occupiers. Now.)
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To: All

Sorry.

What the heck? That post was on another thread?

Excuse me...


15 posted on 11/16/2011 9:12:53 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Evict the unsanitary, violent occupiers. Now.)
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To: Sun

Happy to take bets on those who think Cain or Perry will be the nominee. Cain I like. Perry i did before listening to his incredible Inarticulation and bumbling debate performance.

And sorry but Michelle and the rest are statistical margins of error.


16 posted on 11/16/2011 9:13:50 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: TigerClaws
Churchill was a nobody and look what he did....leadership is not something defined....it only shows when the need arises....

I'd take Rudy anyday over Romney....

and I would like all men to be lily white with no sins whatsoever, but lets get real here....we need a leader, not a saint....

lets get ourselves a Leader!

17 posted on 11/16/2011 9:14:08 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

Rubio would be my dream candidate, and probably the dream candidate for most conservatives. The left is already attacking him.


18 posted on 11/16/2011 9:18:56 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: mgstarr; All

“Happy to take bets ..”

If you didn’t listen to Mark Levin’s Wed. show, you might want to consider this, before you give up on anyone:

“November 16, 2011

Mark talks about what the media’s reaction to Ronald Reagan was in 1980 when he was in the presidential race against Jimmy Carter and how negative it was. They kept saying that there was no way he could win, that he was out of touch - and yet he ended up winning by the largest margin ever”

excerpt http://www.marklevinshow.com/home.asp


19 posted on 11/16/2011 9:22:05 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: truthfreedom
McCain = Newt Mittens

Thompson = Cain

20 posted on 11/16/2011 9:30:35 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Excuse me...”

No problem, I’ve done that myself, and you are CORRECT.


21 posted on 11/16/2011 9:37:23 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

“So don’t give up on fighting for your favorite conservative candidate. There’s still time!”

I agree. But 2008 is an unfortunate example. We got the most Rinoreest of RINOS as our candidate.


22 posted on 11/16/2011 10:05:43 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Lazlo in PA

Mitt 2008 = Mitt 2012
McCain 2008 = Newt 2012
Ron Paul 2008 = Ron Paul 2012
Huckabee 2008 = Bachmann + Santorum 2012
Giuliani 2008 = Perry 2012
F. Thompson 2008 = Cain 2012

You don’t necessarily get the same results every year.

Newt has more terrible divorces, has peaked, or will peak, too early, and is no war hero.

Ron Paul, 4 years ago at this time, was at 3% in the polls, and some recent polls have him as high as 20% (others around 12%). So, he’s ahead of last time.

The tea party didn’t exist 4 years ago. Will they rally behind a candidate they don’t really like that much, or if they’re worried about other factors, if the alternative is Romney?


23 posted on 11/16/2011 11:05:20 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
Huckabee 2008 = Bachmann + Santorum 2012

You can't compare a POS RINO AR Gov with two conservatives. I see no populism or schmaltzy folk-isms from Bachmann or Santorum.

In '08, my most sensible choice in the Primaries was Mittens compared to the other garbage running. There was no Obamacare and McLame was to the left of Mittens in that field. Now Mittens is to the far left of the other candidates like McLame was to those candidates. There are some other questionable calls. Guiliani is a straight up pro choice RINO. Not really a good match up with a God fearing Perry. Also I don't see a match-up for Newt at all. So many things are different, like you point out, that there are few comparisons that can be made.

24 posted on 11/16/2011 11:45:37 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I’m not saying they’re the same in all respects.

I’m saying that the Huck slot, the socon slot, could be filled by Bachmann and Santorum. They’re both closely affiliated with the Social Conservatives, the Evangelicals. And that’s who Huckabee appealed to.

Giuliani = Perry because - 1) Both were pumped up by the elites for no real apparent reason. 2) Perry endorsed Giuliani in 2008. 3) Perry and Giuliani worked on business deals together.

McCain = Newt because “the most famous one” “the gold watch” “lifetime achievement award”


25 posted on 11/17/2011 12:58:01 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Sun

I worked on Reagan’s campaign in Texas in 1980 so I remember all that quite well. I was basing my comments on my experience in that and subsequent campaigns.

My horse in this race is whoever is going to defeat Obama. At the end of the day, that’s all that matters.


26 posted on 11/17/2011 10:56:18 AM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: mgstarr

Wouldn’t it be funny if this GOP primary was all a show for the marxist media and the socialist DNC until the last moment when the real candidate steps forward and floors them all, not Rudy, but......................................


27 posted on 11/17/2011 3:55:16 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: ModelBreaker

Yes, 2008 was bad, but my point is, we shouldn’t base our decision on poll numbers, particularly this early.


28 posted on 11/17/2011 8:46:43 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: mgstarr

“My horse in this race is whoever is going to defeat Obama.”

Many Dems voted for Kerry in the primaries, even though they didn’t like him, because they thought he would win the General. Of course, he did not.

Let’s not make a misake and pick a “moderate” candidate, just because we THINK they can win.

Hope we can all join together in this primary season, and pick the most CONSERVATIVE candidate.


29 posted on 11/17/2011 8:57:35 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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