Posted on 11/24/2011 5:37:51 AM PST by NaturalBornConservative
Yeah, what ever. You are clearly so over wrought and angry, so filled with hatred of Newt that nothing anyone says and no amount of factual information will change that. So bye! Enjoy your indignation and outrage . . . it’s a bitter pill for such a wonderful day.
Amen, self-deportation is the only way. Make it so hostile to be here illegally that you haul your own illegal butt out of here, and don`t come back either.
Wasting your time with dirtboy and others. They’re more “purist” on illegals than any other aspects of their lives/belief systems. I noted the other day that The Gipper had made an amnesty deal with the Dims so even he couldn’t be a satisfactory candidate today.
We just were treated to Newt, after having received millions from Beltway interests, claiming that he has never lobbied in return for any of that money.
Despite claims to the contrary as documented in an article in the Washington Examiner - and at least one of the claims had a name attached to it.
So Newt is demanding that I discard any sense of reasoned skepticism about his claim.
Now Newt and this outfit are saying all this depends upon securing the border first. And I am castigated as dishonest despite the fact, as you noted, that McCain played the exact same gambit and hasn't done squat to help the process of actually securing the border. Even McCain is better than Newt on border security, Newt opposes a border fence.
So who is really being dishonest here? It's you, Sudentenland. For demanding that I discard what I have learned about Beltway RINOs and their push for amnesty. Only the most depraved shill calls someone dishonest for evaluating the claims of a politician through the filter of the past.
When a politician talks about those three steps, the only one he will be serious about is the last one, and that one, if it comes to that, will be done in sports stadiums fifty thousand at a time, not one at a time after careful consideration. Clinton got lots of new Democrat voters that way, mostly legals but not all.
Purist? You're full of sh**. I believe we don't need more foreign workers in this age of chronic unemployment. I question the notion that those who have been here the longest illegally are not lawbreakers. And for that, you call me a purist?
I noted the other day that The Gipper had made an amnesty deal with the Dims so even he couldn’t be a satisfactory candidate today.
The Gipper learned from his mistakes. You are demanding that repeat one of Reagan's. Hardly a conservative trait.
Hatred of Newt? Is that the best you can do, you pathetic lying troll?
I suppose you think I hate Obama, instead of disagreeing with his policies. That is exactly who you are emulating with your hate rhetoric, the liberal talking heads on MSNBC. Nice company you keep.
>>...Congress will never pass an expulsion law...<<
Ok, then follow Alabama’s lead and the illegal immigrants will leave of their own volition to a friendlier environment. It’s reasonable, prudent and it’s working *right now*.
Newt’s not my first choice and I don’t see that changing. However, if it comes down to him or Obama, I’ll vote for him and most everyone I know among friends and family feels the same way.
So chin up! He can count on the “if all else fails” vote!
So let the amnesty begin.
The only way to stop illegal immigration is to make it extremely difficult to stay here - ENFORCEMENT and DEPORTATION. But no one wants to try that first.
They want to pretend that the border is “secure” and then grant amnesty. To me, if you get to stay without fear of deportation, that is amnesty.
The only amnesty I can accept is that you go back to your own country, get in line like everyone else, and then when your name comes up in the queue your case is reviewed. Having already been in the country illegally will count against you. If you had committed crimes and especially if you voted illegally while here you are up $*&t creek - no admission, ever.
Yeah, but don't let that sway your opinion of the veracity of the Krieble Foundation and Newt when they say border security first. Don't let McCain's non-action on border security sway you either. You see, Newt and the Krieble Foundation really, really mean it. Cross their hearts and hope to die, stick a needle in their eye.
There's nothing wrong with following the laws already on the books, they just haven't been enforced for the last 60-70 years. I believe that if someone just got here, in the past 10-24 years, or whatever the cut-off is, they're going home, but the border must be secured first. Millions of illegals are working here and paying taxes - that's a fact. You can't work without paying taxes. Working under someone else's SSN, or without proper authorization is a problem. But again, blaming someone who's been here for 25 years, or so, illegally, for the government's failure to secure our borders, and to enforce the law is to blame the wrong party.
If you inadvertently forgot to report some income on your tax return 4 years ago, and the IRS didn't catch it, should you be forced to pay it now? Well, unless it was more than $25,000, then the statute of limitations has expired, and the IRS can't assess additional taxes, nor could you amend your tax return after the statute has expired.
If you owe back taxes, and it's been more than 10 years since the tax was assessed, should you be forced to pay it? Nope. You are under no obligation, because the Statute of Limitations on collections is 10 years. Thus, the IRS must write-off the balance.
So what is the Statute of Limitations on entering the country illegally? There is none. Should there be? Perhaps in some circumstances, on a limited basis (i.e. haven't broken other laws, have paid taxes, have been here for 25 years or more, have children and grandchildren who are citizens, are contributing to society), but there should not be blanket amnesty. I don't know what you heard, but that's what I heard.
Bingo.
So your saying that Cain who is a rock ribbed conservative is only marginally better than the marxist scum that is in the whitehouse now? Telling.Very telling.
I just don't see what is gained by comparing the experience of a lifelong legislator to someone who has actually run an organization. Perry actually has been chief executive at the state level and understands the 10th. I honestly think Newt has been in the Beltway so long that he has lost the notion of governmental constraint.
Newt has actually achieved what everyone on the right wants to happen. He has actually presided over and led a Congress to cut spending, drastically reform entitlement programs, and balance the budget. No other candidate has come close but Perry who has done much the same in Texas.
Bingo
Every time a conservative criticizes President Obama, the first response from liberals and Black Leaders is an accusation of "racism."
Yet you engaged in basically the exact same tactic here - you called me a Newt 'hater'.
You're just a rank hypocrite, engaging in the exact same tactics you decry in others.
So what exactly is Cain's plan for handling illegal immigrants who have been here for any period of time? Clarity, Clarity, Clarity? 9-9-9? Kick down doors and deport them? Deport the parents but leave their legal-citizen children here? Deport the illegal wife, but leave the legal husband? Deport the illegal grandparents, but leave the rest of the family? Racially profile and question anyone who looks Hispanic, or Muslim? Cain has no plan, so there's nothing there to judge him by, other than his own misguided rhetoric.
OK, you’ve sold me. Let’s vote for the guy who we know is dead wrong on this subject instead of the guy where we are not sure.
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