Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat

Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
admin on November 23, 2011 — 6 Comments

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The following was posted on the Facebook Energy Catalyzer page. It comes from Hampus Ericsson who attended Sven Kullander’s Örebro talk today. Kullander has been a key player in gaining Rossi credibility in the past few months. Taken in the sweep, it appears to me that he believes in Rossi and his claims but reserves the right to be wrong until definitive independent tests drive the nail home. His comment about AR’s prickly response to anyone who distrusts him is interesting. This flies counter to his public stance on genuine scepticism. No scientist should work completely on trust. No scientist will truly trust him/herself. Perhaps the comment relates to personal attacks on his integrity. That I would understand. He is right to be angry at those type of attacks.

I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.

Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.

Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .

He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.

Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.

He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.

Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.

One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.

He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.

Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste

[With thanks to Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]

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More On The Sven Kullander eCat Talk
admin on November 24, 2011 — 11 Comments

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The pedigree of Sven Kullander and Hanno Essen is interesting. From Wikipedia:
Professor Kullander is professor emeritus of High Energy Physics at Uppsala University. Kullander received his doctorate from Uppsala University in 1971. Since 1990, Kullander has been a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and chairman of its Energy Committee
Hanno Essén is an associate professor of theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society
Their role in the Andrea Rossi affair began when they expressed an interest in the eCat and then attended a Bologna demo. During that demo, the eCat seemed to produce around 5kW of heat from a small sealed vessel (50 ccm) containing Hydrogen and Nickel. They were allowed to check for hidden conduits and examine the instruments and various elements of the system. They were not allowed access to the core but since it was small and the claimed energy large, it was reasonable to treat the device as a black box to determine its utility.

In many of the arguments posed by reasonable and unreasonable sceptics alike, doubt is often cast on those attending these events. Various inventions are created to explain why otherwise intelligent people could be so stupid as to fall for Rossi’s tricks. Senility, stupidity, human error, dishonesty, fraud and gullibility are all wheeled out in turn. If you have been there and leave believing the claim might be real, there has to be something wrong – you are either in on the scam or too dumb to see it.

No one can accuse Kullander or Essen of not being independent. How often have we heard that a scammer would never let an independent and qualified scientist near their scamming machine? And yet, here we have two physicists, both active and experienced, one the chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ (of Nobel fame) Energy Committee and the other the former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics’ Society and both allowed dangerous and intimate access to a working eCat.

Both scientists are well aware that what they saw and measured does not constitute proof and neither can say with certainty that Rossi’s claims are true. They would be foolish to do so. Indeed both admit that they could not check everything and although they do not suspect fraud, they have to leave that door open as a small possibility.

They published a travel report detailing the demo and results and expressing their belief that (assuming no fraud) the eCat was producing so much energy that it had to be nuclear in origin.

For many months, both scientists remained out of the light and some hard sceptics wondered if they were distancing themselves from Rossi and that report – now embarrassed that they had ever been involved. However, recently Kullander has begun to publicly reveal his current thinking and yesterday gave a talk (Swedish) to an audience in Örebro. Today, Ny Teknik, the Swedish magazine responsible for extensive reporting throughout the year has published a pdf of that talk. Together with an audio recording by a member of the audience (again, in Swedish) and a variety of interpretations from around the Net, we begin to get a good idea of Kullander’s current view of Rossi and the eCat. It is nuanced and intelligent and does not conform to that expected of the term ‘Believer’.

To be fair, I doubt a reasonable sceptic would place that moniker on him as the scientist clearly leaves room for his conclusions to be wrong. That said, most of us have read others who are less supportive than Kullander being labeled as a believer as though the tag could colour you gullible.

The following has been Googleized from a report by Bertil Nilsson on a Swedish forum discussing Kullander’s talk (here is the audio):
Biggest “scoop” is well that, according to Rossi, it works without a catalyst. It can be measured net energy even with only nickel and hydrogen. He says that as a reason why his patent to go through. But it opens the course for the reproduction of this, we have many who can kalimoetri precision now after all the thinking.

Kullander is deeply skeptical of the proton capture of nickel, believes that there are other possibilities. He outlined a number of them, but I must return later. I can not enough to sum up the piece. He was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for Christmas
Kullander told further about their personal experiences of a large number of people at the University of Bologna has been more or less concerned about the ECAT, the most active of course Focardi and Levi. He feels these people knowledgeable and up to serious, from the president down. Kullander feel even Rossi as sincere and serious and a very knowledgeable and skilled engineer but somewhat discursive reasoning when entering the field of physics. He also talked about discussions he had with Levi for a large number of tests that are not described but conducted by Levi, who personally knows the ECAT works.

Kullander believes that Rossi for their own sake must be sure to get an independent verification of heat output and that he was not to be overtaken should ally itself with some great players, like Siemens or ABB. One problem here may be that Rossi has a deep personal relationship with their cats, as he usually describe them. Kullander has offered Rossi to test and verify an ECAT in Uppsala in collaboration with the University of Bologna. Discussions on this are ongoing. Kullander preclude an agreement whereby secrecy around that they have an ECAT in place or that the results may not be shown publicly.

The above is in addition to yesterday’s report which I repeat here:
I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.

Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.

Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .

He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.

Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.

He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.

Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.

One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.

He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.

Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste.

[With thanks to Tom in the eCatNews.com comments section and Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]

http://www.netl.doe.gov/business/solicitations/2001pdf/41428/ATTENDEE.PDF looking for Leonardo Technologies and we find the attendee here is Robert H. Gentile. He is later nominated for Assistant Secretary of Energy by George Bush ~ see: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=18065#axzz1eiUfJdIg. Later we find Leonardo Technologies holding seminars on CO2 sequestration, et al, and here at http://www.lti-global.com/ we find, again, the very same Robert H. Gentile ~ in the year 2011 under Barack Obama. I find it remarkable you don’t want to follow this line ~ that a principal officer in Leonardo is also involved in some fairly high level energy initiatives extending over 2 decades. So, what is it ~ is Rossi just glomming on to this guy’s name, or is the guy involved with Rossi?

That is, in fact, what I asked ~ is that what we are seeing perhaps. This LTI is the company that sold the devices to the Army to test for capability in using exotic fluids for field fuel cell operations.

Or, maybe something far more practical ~ that Rossi is buying used battery units from shut-down windmill operators and the name LEONARDO is already emblazoned on the cases? That saves him the problem of relabeling them for resale.

None of that is intended to let Pappy Bush off the hook BTW (if you want to go that way).

The charge was that "Rossi also got tax money from us for producing non-functioning "ThermoElectric power generators" for the Army."

Yet, the Leonardo Technologies being pointed to is a large company that has its labels on many things INCLUDING 1MW power windmill power generation batteries!

The error is NOT MINE ~ I've seen this business of LTI being confounded with LTI several times in the subgenre of "Rossi as scam artist" literature.

So, is this the same company or a different company? Is Rossi guilty of picking up on a trade name already used by someone in the same business as some of the equipment he uses? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7GCX2wiwVLY/TqoEOXxvw9I/AAAAAAAAAnw/iVDLv5QiCsE/s1600/ecat-rossi-1mw-plant.jpg is the inside of Rossi's 1MW unit.

Here's a 1 MW battery for a windmill http://pluggedin.pjm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/inside-trailer-batteries.jpg

These things look remarkably similar because ~ lo and behold ~ there's only so many ways to do this ~ whether it's batteries, or e-cats, or tool boxes, or whatever.

Didn't any of you ever try to find a picture that looked like that big box Rossi has? Although there are variations, and power capacities vary depending on state of technological development, you could take one of these battery module units you see on the rack, hook it up to a hydrogen gas generator leading into an ordinary GM manufactured truck brake cylinder, wrap some aluminum foil around it ~ and here's how you do the trick ~ if you had a working battery, you could charge that sucker up and it'd bleed electrons at 1MW per hour for 5.5 hours.

Somebody wanted us to focus on a generator? This is a massive battery system with a huge capacity using all sorts of modern high tech stuff and they are being JUNKED by windmill companies (a real scam if there ever was one) being put out of business in the EU as subsidies are eliminated.

If this guy is a fraud find out what's behind the aluminum foil ~ YOU don't need to be protected from stray beta radiation INSIDE the big box ~ it's made out of metal sufficiently to keep a slag out inside the box knocking you off your pins a block away with stray electric current.

That is, in fact, what I asked ~ is that what we are seeing perhaps. This LTI is the company that sold the devices to the Army to test for capability in using exotic fluids for field fuel cell operations.

I'm not sure I've seen any evidence that the Ohio company is, in fact, Rossi's old company. I do see that it was originally incorporated as "USA Nuclear Laser, Inc." and later changed to "Leonardo Technologies, Inc.".

Meanwhile, the DOD report on Rossi's Thermoelectric converter [LINK], lists Andrea Rossi's company as being "Leonardo Technologies Inc. Murrysville PA". A quick search on the Pennsylvania business search web site does not show any company registerd with that name.

So, if you have any evidence that the Ohio company was Rossi's, or that the Ohio company was involved in the DOD research project, please provide it.

We know that the New Hampshire company is (or was) Rossi's, since it has the Internet domain that Rossi publicly uses for his email address. (By the way, this "Leonardo Technologies" doesn't seem to have a business record in New Hampshire, so I'm not sure how "legit" it is.)

I beleive it's been established that the "Dr. Andrea Rossi" mentioned in the DOD document is the same Rossi that is currently marketing the E-Cat device.

We don't know that the Ohio "LTI Global" has anything to do with either.

If that's the same Rossi with both LTI and LT in New Hampshire ~ then he's been building 1MWh batteries for quite some time, and is a heavy hitter in fuel cell technology.

Frankly, I don't think so. Else this dude would be on Obama's personal blackberry call list.

At the same time he's using the same containing box, the same frames, the same wiring harness, the same same racks, screws, bolts, interior lighting and everything EXCEPT you can buy the originals without a porthole in the door!

Or, maybe folks really don't know who Rossi is! (tympanic drum rolls boom boom boom boom boom)

Awesome, you think I'm dinodino and Johnny B or that they're me or that who knows? Then again, there was a recent episode of House where the the kid, has 'alters', three different personalities.

I just want to know whether I had as good a Thanksgiving as my Johnny B and dinodino personalities as I did in my Lx one.

I mention Start Trek, I mention a character actually two from Star Trek and these particles that are in every one of this character's explanations for whatever phenomena he describing. You blow past all that and think I was serious?

Awesome, you think I'm dinodino and Johnny B or that they're me or that who knows? Then again, there was a recent episode of House where the the kid, has 'alters', three different personalities.

I just want to know whether I had as good a Thanksgiving as my Johnny B and dinodino personalities as I did in my Lx one.

I even mentioned, Star Trek, TNG which started in '87 so I gave you twenty more years although I don't remember Scotty giving a string of B.S. about any problems which is why I mentioned Geordi. I don't even need to give an episode because he says the same thing in every one, "Picard, impossible problem"..."Geordi, wait, if we blah, blah, blah, Tachyons, blah, blah and out.

Wiki on Tachyons.

Money quotes:

#1:A tachyon (play /ˈtæki.ɒn/) is a hypothetical subatomic particle that always moves faster than light. In the language of special relativity, a tachyon would be a particle with space-like four-momentum and imaginary proper time. A tachyon would be constrained to the space-like portion of the energy-momentum graph

Please take note of the word, Hypothetical

#2:Despite the theoretical arguments against the existence of tachyon particles, experimental searches have been conducted to test the assumption against their existence; however, no experimental evidence[5] for the existence of tachyon particles has been found.

Please note the part highlighted.

I also said, Tachyons, not Neutrinos.

And aren't you?

You all seem to think Rossi is more than one guy, so why not you three being just one guy.

Now, re-engage on why Rossi is using what is obviously a surplused 1MW battery rack with modular blade holders?

Oh, yeah, and 100 GM C20 or G10 brake cylinders? He grew up around this stuff ~ those cylinders are actually one of the more high tech consumer products you depend on daily. Though they are not electronic in nature they can handle quite high pressures not ordinarily encountered. The devices may well have titanium hardened outer shells, but inside they are BRASS ~ just in case you wanted to get your copper residues!

Like if you are going to go after this guy on fraud start with the visible elements ~ the man's name is too common to do good searches on to pin down everything. His 1Mwh battery array is certainly a place to start.

You all seem to think Rossi is more than one guy, so why not you three being just one guy.

You're the only one who's been suggesting that there are more than one Andrea Rossi involved in any of this.

Everyone else is confident that the "Andrea Rossi" who was convicted for the Petrol Dragon related crimes is the same "Andrea Rossi" who was convicted for the gold "smuggling" crimes (as I amply documented above), who is the "Andrea Rossi" who was involved in the failed Thermoelectric converter project for the Army, who is the "Andrea Rossi" who is now selling E-Cats to anyone who will sign up on his "sucker's list".

You're the one trying to drag an apparently unconnected company in Ohio into this, in an effort to have the credibility of that unrelated company somehow "rub off" on Rossi.

Either provide some evidence that the Ohio company "LTI Global" is somehow tied into the Rossi mess, or stop claiming that a Rossi "conspiracy" somehow involves high-ranking officials of past and president Administrations.

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