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1 posted on 11/26/2011 1:51:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He died doing what he loved to do!


2 posted on 11/26/2011 1:52:29 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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The good Samaritan side of people has been curtailed by lawsuits.


3 posted on 11/26/2011 1:53:09 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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"Where is the good Samaritan side of people?”

It disappeared when ambulance chasers became abundant.

5 posted on 11/26/2011 2:02:05 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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What would the Obama’s have done in this case?

Probably kick and walk over Him!


6 posted on 11/26/2011 2:09:13 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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People are terrified of lawsuits—one part of the problem, the other is simply greed.

May God bless the two who did try to help.


7 posted on 11/26/2011 2:13:52 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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If people read the article, they would see that a nurse and a paramedic assisted the gentleman, to the extent they could, and someone obviously called 911. Would a mob of untrained people yelling, “OMG, OMG!” have produced a better outcome?


8 posted on 11/26/2011 2:22:10 PM PST by Tax-chick (Thomas Sowell. Accept no substitutes!)
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Actually, if you read this story with care, it’s hard to tell whether people were much to blame or not. Someone did give him emergency care, and someone called an ambulance? Others, not being able to help, stood by or stayed back, which seems sensible.

What the story does not say is how long help was delayed? Did they ignore him for 15 minutes? Half an hour? Or did someone call 911 fairly quickly? It’s really unclear.

Maybe there was neglect. Or maybe the reporter just wanted a good story. It’s uncertain, because the story leaves out key details.


9 posted on 11/26/2011 2:24:16 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Well in defense of the shoppers, if you see a man down on the floor and a nurse is administering CPR as the story says. It doesn’t really help, and it could actually hurt for 500 people to crowd around looking concerned and trying to help, (too many cooks in the kitchen so to speak). Sometimes the best thing you can do in such as situation is whisper a prayer and continue walking.


10 posted on 11/26/2011 2:25:47 PM PST by apillar
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The news reporting on so-called “Black Friday” is getting to be too much to bear. I suspect people die in stores every day of the year with varying amounts of subsequent aid from passers-by.


11 posted on 11/26/2011 2:30:24 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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Story didn’t say , but most large stores have a defib nowadays


13 posted on 11/26/2011 2:44:33 PM PST by Figment
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Lawsuits my azz. If I saw a person on the floor I would be screaming for help, not ignoring or stepping over them.

However I have never nor will I ever go shopping like these people do. I blame the stores for instigating this crap. There are more civilized ways to get people to think they're saving money.

Humans are becoming more and more unbearable.

I'm glad I'm in my 70's.

17 posted on 11/26/2011 2:56:55 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (WE ARE AMERICA! DONATE TO FR MORE!)
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I cannot imagine why anyone would go shopping the day after thanksgiving...Read about one woman that bite a guy reaching for the same waffle iron she wanted..these people are crazy...good time to stay home...


18 posted on 11/26/2011 3:12:23 PM PST by goat granny
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As someone who has been through the First Aid/CPR/AED courses 4 times (for work), the Good Samaritan laws are on the books, and it is some legal protection for someone who does help. However, if you go outside of the scope of your training, then you get into huge trouble if the situation turns south.

A few months back, I came across an older lady who had fallen in Wal-Mart. I looked at my mom, and went to help. No one had witnessed whether she had hit her head, and the assist managers who had came up wanted to put her into a chair. Oh heck no!
I stayed with her until the MFD EMT's and Paramedics got there where I could turn her over to them.

The funniest part of it all was that, when I was there trying to keep her from getting up - she was complaining just a little of her shoulder hurting, or how much it was going to cost for a doctor's visit, once those Paramedics got there, she was being slightly more melodramatic. She was most pleased to let them do anything they wanted - where lil ole me, she was being downright hostile. Go Figure.

I won't hesitate to stop and help, even if I don't have anything. I'm not concerned because I stay within the scope of my learning. I would also be willing to step back away from the scene if an ER Nurse and Paramedic was on scene, since they are more qualified than I am. I would offer to communicate to the Dispatchers her condition, or anything else they needed. I have done that before too.

In the grand scheme of things, having 100 people standing there "helping" probably would have been worse than 2 who knew what the heck they were doing.

21 posted on 11/26/2011 3:37:12 PM PST by Maigrey (Life, for a liberal, is one never-ending game of Calvinball. - giotto)
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To quote Moe Sizlack (after getting run over in a department store for a Funzo doll)

“OW, OW, OW!!!!! Who would wear golf cleats in a store!!!”


22 posted on 11/26/2011 3:37:55 PM PST by Kolath
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These people went to save a buck on a waffle iron, not tend to the sick.


30 posted on 11/26/2011 4:28:03 PM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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Shoppers unfazed. Media in a tizzy. What to do? Has no one else ever died on Black Friday while shopping? What are customers supposed to do? Scan the body through personal check out? “Sorry, no bar code on that unit.”


40 posted on 11/26/2011 9:04:12 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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I don’t know that I can really fault the shoppers, and there were two who jumped right in to help anyway.

I was in a hospital cafeteria when a woman collapsed nearby. The response was quick. People near her in line caught her as she was falling so she landed softly. While I was still wondering if I needed to run over and do CPR, the crash team came running in. So, all I ended up doing was telling my friend that we needed to stay out of the way. Less than five minutes after her collapse, the crash team had whisked her away. And everyone else continued to get lunch.


41 posted on 11/26/2011 9:08:55 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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So this poor guy had no help at all, except from two highly trained professionals, a paramedic and an ER nurse. No help at all!

"Man Dies on Black Friday; Shoppers Unfazed"

He didn't die in the store, he died after he had been taken to the hospital.

This is how "journalism" became a four letter word.

45 posted on 11/26/2011 10:27:52 PM PST by TChad
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The hype of these sales is awful. My email box has been full of them all week.


47 posted on 11/26/2011 11:37:02 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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Vance was 61 years old. Friends say he's has had heart problems for years and had open heart surgery in 2000

Missed being a "unit" by a few years.

48 posted on 11/27/2011 12:31:30 AM PST by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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