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Santorum and the Evangelical Civil War in Iowa
Big Government ^ | December 30, 2011 | Charles C. Johnson

Posted on 12/30/2011 1:36:24 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Evangelicals are in a civil war in Iowa. If they could unite behind a candidate, they could defeat Mitt Romney and Ron Paul in the Iowa caucuses, but they can’t. Part of the problem is that three candidates are running for evangelical support but Iowa simply isn’t big enough for the three of them. They’re splitting the vote. Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Santorum are all making a play for the social conservatives they need to propel them onward. In 2008, sixty percent of the participants in the Iowa caucuses were evangelical.

Eight days ago Rick Santorum won the personal endorsements of two evangelical leaders—Bob Vander Plaats, CEO of the Family Leader, and Chuck Hurley, President of the Iowa Family Policy Center. The endorsements may have been just enough to push Santorum up in the polls—at Bachmann’s expense. Vander Plaats asked Bachmann to drop out and endorse one of the social conservatives.

The Bachmann team is simply imploding with the defection of a top aide to the Ron Paul camp. She herself has said that it would take nothing less than a “miracle” to win. When you have to keep insisting that you aren’t dropping out—it may be time to drop out. Look to Bachmann to exit stage left after Iowa. The question becomes who will she endorse.

Three new polls—today’s NBC/Marist poll, yesterday’s Rasmussen poll, CNN/Time/ORIC poll—show Santorum moving into third place. This is good new for Santorum. Conservative Republican candidates tend to out-perform in Iowa while moderate Republican candidates tend to under-perform. If this holds, Santorum is effectively in a three-way tie with Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. He is the only one of the candidates to visit all ninety-nine of Iowa counties.

Unlike Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansa,s to whom he is frequently compared, Santorum is a northeasterner, a Pennsylvanian. His appeal may be limited beyond working-class Catholics and Midwestern evangelicals. He’s at 2.7% in South Carolina. Moreover, even if Santorum were to win Iowa—a big if—he has essentially no money and no organization in any other state.

Expect to see Rick Perry start a media blitz against Rick Santorum, which, indeed, he has already begun, releasing a radio ad. If Bachmann drops out, Santorum is all that stands between Perry and winning evangelical voters. Rick Santorum spent sixteen years in office, after all, and that leaves a paper trail.

Despite his social conservative bona fides, Santorum was anything but a fiscal conservative, as Erick Erickson points out over at Red State.

* He supported steel tariffs in Pennsylvania….
* He supported No Child Left Behind.
* He supported the prescription drug benefit.
* He supported the Bridge to Nowhere. In fact, according to Club for Growth, “Santorum had the audacity to vote to continue funding the Bridge to Nowhere rather than send the money to rebuild New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.”

Those kind of attack ads write themselves, and you can be sure that Barack Obama will rest at nothing to mention Santorum’s support for the Bridge to Nowhere over the blacks who suffered in Katrina.

Santorum stands ready to defend those earmarks, but calls his voting in favor of a new drug entitlement a “mistake.” Santorum was crushed in his re-election bid by eighteen points in 2006.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: earmarks; evangelicals; gopprimary; iowa; iowacaucus; ricksantorum; santorum
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Santorum stands ready to defend those earmarks....

Dec 29, 2011: "I've defended my earmarks in the sense that I'm proud of the money that I did set aside for priorities in my state instead of having bureaucrats do that," Santorum said on Fox News. "The Constitution gives the power of the purse to the Congress."

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Feb 2009: Video of Rick Santorum defending earmarks on FOX News program in 2009 -- Juan Williams "pats Santorum on the back" (figuratively speaking) for "being proud" and taking responsibility for his record.

1 posted on 12/30/2011 1:36:30 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
LOL! Mike Huckabee just tweeted Iowans: "Miss me yet, folks?"
2 posted on 12/30/2011 1:39:08 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Santorum and Bachmann should drop out now.


3 posted on 12/30/2011 1:39:22 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm going for Perry. He has gravitas, unlike Santorum.
4 posted on 12/30/2011 1:41:45 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: wolfman23601

This Sunday’s sermons should be very interesting from the thousands of church pulpits across the 99 Iowa counties!!!


5 posted on 12/30/2011 1:42:41 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: wolfman23601; CainConservative

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/29/rick-santorum-earmarxists-and-the-pro-life-statist/

[Just like George W. Bush] .......”He sees government as the means to conservative ends. But in using government to get conservative ends he has expanded government and set precedents for liberals to use government in the same ways for more liberal government. Rick Santorum was complicit in making Americans more dependent on government and justified it under the rubric of compassion.”
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2710073/posts

“Governor Perry let loose the observation that “George” — and the Bushies hate it when Perry calls him “George” in public — “has never been a fiscal conservative.” Never? “Wasn’t when he was in Texas . . . ’95, ’97, ’99, George Bush was spending money.” He also criticized Bush as being limp on immigration.”
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On the “Meet the Candidate” [extended] segment of Bret Baier’s Special Report program - Oct 19, 2011 - (”Center Seat” guest Rick Santorum) the panel discussed with Rick Santorum his 2008 endorsement of Mitt Romney. (they showed a clip and then discussed it)


6 posted on 12/30/2011 1:42:48 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Iowa does seem to have a strong evangelical streak.
That, could place Santorum, Bachmann or Perry in the running for Iowa.

That said, the evangelical thing will evaporate in NH but will re emerge in SC.
Can Santorumn survive NH?

Bachmann won’t make it out of Iowa.


7 posted on 12/30/2011 1:45:47 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

For several weeks at least, Iowa evangelicals who supported Huckabee in 2008 have been trending toward Santorum. Iowa evangelicals seem to be able to support a Catholic like Santorum while evangelicals elsewhere might not.


8 posted on 12/30/2011 1:46:33 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: CainConservative

No Huckster, we can’t stand you!


9 posted on 12/30/2011 1:47:47 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry continues hammering Santorum on earmearks today in Waterloo:

WATERLOO, Iowa – Texas Gov. Rick Perry demanded former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, whom he dubbed a “prolific earmarker” yesterday, explain his support of earmarks for pet projects, including a teapot museum and an indoor rainforest.

“Senator Santorum, just to get a little more specific here, please tell me why you asked taxpayers to support the bridge to nowhere in Alaska. Why did you ask the taxpayers of Iowa to support a teapot museum in North Carolina, an indoor rainforest in Iowa, and the mountain sheep institute, Montana sheep institute? Why were those important enough for you to vote for?” Perry said to more than 100 people crowded into two rooms at Doughy Joey’s Peetza- Joint.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/perry-demands-santorum-explain-earmarks-for-teapot-museum-indoor-rainforest/


10 posted on 12/30/2011 1:49:08 PM PST by baysider
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To: stars & stripes forever
The case for Perry’s venture capitalismThere’s a big difference between the Texas and statist approaches - There has been a lot of debate about Gov. Rick Perry’s economic development funds. The criticism centers on the idea that the Texan’s funds create a “Solyndra problem” for him, that by investing in businesses that bring jobs to the state, Mr. Perry has the same job-creation approach President Obama displayed in backing federal loans to a solar-energy firm.

Equating the two men in this way provides a convenient symmetry, but it’s also a false comparison that misses why many free marketers are comfortable with Gov. Perry even while critical of Solyndra.”……

11 posted on 12/30/2011 1:52:02 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Virtually every politician who has served for 12 years has voted stupidly on occasion. I do not have a problem with the tariff vote, myself, but the others were horrible votes. Caveat: I’m sure that the Bridge to Nowhere did not stand alone for a vote.


12 posted on 12/30/2011 1:52:08 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why all the negative campaigning against fellow conservatives? Reagan would be ashamed of you.

You want to go negative? Do it against the liberal Willard or the nutjob Paul.

Conservatives UNITE!


13 posted on 12/30/2011 1:54:01 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: CainConservative

Amen to that.


14 posted on 12/30/2011 1:54:26 PM PST by VicVega ( GEAUX LSU TIGERS, GEAUX SAINTS)
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To: alstewartfan

Says liberals like Romney, McCain, and you.


15 posted on 12/30/2011 1:56:04 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: alstewartfan
ROMNEY (64) – lawyer – Bain Capital – Massachusetts Governor [2003-07] 4 years public office, plus additional 6+ years running; 1994 U.S. Senator [MA] bid – lost; U.S. Presidential bids [2008, 2012]; author

SANTORUM (53) – lawyer [Eckert Seamans Cherin & Mellott, LLC. – D.C. and Pittsburgh offices since ’07] – Fox News Contributor - 16 years public office, U.S. House of Representatives, Pennsylvania [1991-95] - U. S. Senator [1995-07] lost bid for 3rd term by largest margin in PA GOP history]; author

BACHMANN (55) – lawyerMinnesota State Senate [2003-07]; U.S. House of Representatives [MN] [2007- _____] 8 years public office ; political activist; foster parent; 2011 autobiography

GINGRICH (68) – U.S. House of Representatives [GA] - 20 years [Speaker 1995-99] Resigned from U.S. House of Rep after win - Fox News Contributor – adviser - speaker – author

PAUL (76) - U.S. House of Representatives [TX] - 20 years + 6-8 odd years running - Libertarian presidential bid [1988] – GOP presidential bids [2008-2012] -- U.S. Air Force flight surgeon [1963-65/Natl G. 1965-68] – OBGYN; author

PERRY (61) - Texas Governor [2000 - ______] – 26 years public office: TX Lt. Gov [1999-’00]; TX Agriculture Commissioner [1991-99]; TX House of Rep [1985-91] ; Cotton Farmer [8 years]; Captain, U.S. Air Force pilot [1972- 77]; author

16 posted on 12/30/2011 1:58:27 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Anyone who calls Santorum a “pro-life statist” is a MORON! LOL Erickson has turned out to be an establishment hack. Bob


17 posted on 12/30/2011 1:59:08 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: wolfman23601

“Santorum and Bachmann should drop out now.”

Would’ve been better if Perry had never dropped in.


18 posted on 12/30/2011 2:00:27 PM PST by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: CainConservative

I hold Romney, McCain and Paul in utter contempt. Huckster is a soft-on-crime, big government man. As a man, I have mixed feelings about Huck, but his cozying up to Moochelle was the final straw for me. NO, I don’t miss the guy. Bob


19 posted on 12/30/2011 2:04:59 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

From what I have been reading about Iowa, I don’t think they know what they want, and they are pretty irrelevant anyway.;

They are making such a mess of this they should have their caucus last instead of first and save themselves the embarrassment.


20 posted on 12/30/2011 2:05:38 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think that Perry would be leading now had he not a had a few disastrous debates. If he’s still standing against Milt in Pa, I’d vote for him. Bob


21 posted on 12/30/2011 2:11:02 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: wolfman23601
Santorum and Bachmann should drop out now.

Why? He is the only one gaining traction against Mittens and Paul right now. If anyone should reevaluate their value in this race is Bachmann. She is falling apart. Perry isn't looking so hot now and he is flush with cash.

22 posted on 12/30/2011 2:16:14 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think that Rick Santorum is the most genuinely Christian of the whole bunch.

As for not moving the Bridge to Nowhere funds to NOLA, NOLA got larger federal subsidies than any other catastrophe I can think of, even though the damage was largely their fault.

And this: “Santorum was anything but a fiscal conservative, as Erick Erickson points out over at Red State. . . . He supported steel tariffs in Pennsylvania. . . .”

Well, I happen to think that if we had retained some of our tariffs—not high ones, but moderate—we wouldn’t have lost so damned many jobs overseas, and we wouldn’t be so dependent on foreign countries for vital products and supplies, including military supplies. It’s not as if it’s really free trade, since it is biased against us in almost every respect.

One-world “free” trade biased against us is conservative? Who knew?


23 posted on 12/30/2011 2:19:10 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Venturer

Actually, the numbers that will be reported from the Iowa caucuses will be from a non-binding straw vote. No national delegates to the GOP convention will be selected by the caucuses either.

Caucuses select delegates to the later 99 county conventions, and to the state convention, and the caucuses begin the work of compiling a party platform.


24 posted on 12/30/2011 2:19:27 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry might drop out if he lands 5th, 6th or 7th.


25 posted on 12/30/2011 2:19:44 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Lazlo in PA

I just watched a segment on Fox , “Perry quietly inching up in the Iowa Polls.” He’s the one to watch to finish in the top three, IMO, and he has the money and the organization to continue in the race.


26 posted on 12/30/2011 2:22:24 PM PST by baysider
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Evangelicals are in a civil war in Iowa. If they could unite behind a candidate, they could defeat Mitt Romney and Ron Paul in the Iowa caucuses, but they can’t.


It’s not “evangelicals” who are in this boat of division; it is conservatives. What else is new?


27 posted on 12/30/2011 2:23:40 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
..It’s not “evangelicals” who are in this boat of division; it is conservatives. What else is new?

Bump

28 posted on 12/30/2011 2:28:08 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jjotto

I believe we agree, the results are irrelevant, and ar an embarrassment to the State. Or they should be embarrassed by this mess.


29 posted on 12/30/2011 2:29:52 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

What mess? It’s just Iowa neighbors having a coffee klatch. Not Iowa’s fault that the rest of the country goes nuts.


30 posted on 12/30/2011 2:36:53 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Santorum is a big mistake. The man does not understand freedom as well as he understands morality. Morality can be used as a sharp spear against the constitution...what’s left of it, anyway.

It’s like Sarah Palin getting angry that the Supremes overturned a state law which banned protests at military funerals as hate speech. She was right that protesting a funeral is hate speech; but she did not grasp that if the state could squash hate speech she rejects, socialists would run a bull dozer through that power and squash most of Palin’s Christian/moral speech, which they classify as hate.

Conservatives have to be able to think like lawyers or excellent chess players when seeking power and solutions.


31 posted on 12/30/2011 2:36:53 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bottom line is we have FOUR good conservatives (Newt, Perry, Michele, Santorum) splitting the votes amongst themselves versus one liberal (Willard) and one nutjob (Paul).


32 posted on 12/30/2011 2:37:06 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: alstewartfan
No Huckster, we can’t stand you!

Yeh, if it wasn't for you, Willard would have won the nomination last time thus fulfilling the white horse prophecy!!!! Shame on you for winning Iowa./s

33 posted on 12/30/2011 2:41:51 PM PST by Tramonto (Draft Palin)
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To: wolfman23601
>> Santorum and Bachmann should drop out now. <<

Yes. Because we need to ensure all GOP voters in this country have only backstabbing RINOs to pick from before the primaries even start.

34 posted on 12/30/2011 2:42:55 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: alstewartfan

I think Huck was asking Iowans if they missed him. (No doubt, he’d be at a Hucka-35% now as before MINIMUM and demolishing the field again thanks to Iowan Conservatives and Evangelicals - Smart folks!)

You from Iowa? One of the Romney or McCain counties? Just asking..(I worked in all 99 in ‘07-’08.)


35 posted on 12/30/2011 2:45:36 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Tramonto

LOL!

Zing.


36 posted on 12/30/2011 2:48:04 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The question becomes who will she endorse.

I'm among those who've wondered aloud why Bachmann hasn't attacked Romney the way she has all the conservatives. My sense is that she's been running to be Romney's VP.

I'm guessing she'll endorse Romney. Her "excuse" to her conservative supporters will be that "Mitt is most likely to win." or some other such nonsense.

I'm officially on record now saying that a vote for Bachmann is a wasted vote. I wish Perry and Santorum and Gingrich weren't splitting the vote in Iowa, but they are. Neither the Perry or Gingrich camp seem to believe they'll do better than 3-5 place.

We should deny Iowa to Romney and push Santorum. Iowans must know that a vote for Paul doesn't say "protest". It says "naive".

37 posted on 12/30/2011 2:51:10 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
GINGRICH (68) – U.S. House of Representatives [GA] - 20 years [Speaker 1995-99]

Ding ding ding ding -My choice! :)

Why? FOUR straight balanced budgets (remember those?), welfare reform, 11 million NEW jobs, and about 4% (beats 8-9% everyday!) unemployment under Speaker Newt.

38 posted on 12/30/2011 2:57:17 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Blackyce

Social conservatives had Bachmann and Santorum, why did Perry have to show up?


39 posted on 12/30/2011 3:23:33 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: alstewartfan

Perry also speaks in simple sound bites, you can see that he is being spoon fed these bubba bait lines.


40 posted on 12/30/2011 3:26:55 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Bachmann has done no ads, that I have seen. Of course, I don’t live in Iowa. Too bad she didn’t have more money. Governors get the cash.


41 posted on 12/30/2011 3:30:20 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

People in other States that do not understand the way Texas works. Always judge based on personal experience.

Houston expects a 14% jump in employment in 2012. Can Obama claim that for the U.S.?

I guess you have to live here to experience it.


42 posted on 12/30/2011 3:40:41 PM PST by marty60
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To: cradle of freedom

No he doesn’t. Television speaks in spoon fed sound bites for the bubba’s.

frankly, I’m do not care about Iowa anymore. I came upon several articles that had varying details of Karen Santorum having a medically induced miscarriage (aka: Abortion).

I mean com’ on, Evangelicals, smangelicals. Hypocrites (IOWA) one and all.


43 posted on 12/30/2011 3:47:53 PM PST by marty60
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To: marty60

Why did you bring that up about Karen Santorum?


44 posted on 12/30/2011 3:50:16 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Because I am sick of hypocrites. Why is it that NOT one of the so called Pro-Life groups in Iowa have not even mentioned this. Yet Perry goes to from rape incest exception to none, and he is criticized.

Perry is the ONLY candidate that is a true conservative and has the record to prove it.


45 posted on 12/30/2011 3:53:50 PM PST by marty60
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Was hoping for Palin, but the minute she declined to run I donated to Cain.

Have been keeping my powder dry since Cain's implosion.

If Santorum can finish ahead of Bachmann and Perry in Iowa, he will have my instant financial support.

46 posted on 12/30/2011 4:12:04 PM PST by rhinohunter (Not voting for RINO Romney...no way...no how)
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To: Tramonto

Once Thompson left the race, I had no candidate in ‘08.


48 posted on 12/30/2011 5:21:46 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: marty60

They lost a baby shortly after birth. “Varying details” are a tell-tale sign that the entire story may be fabricated. Bob


49 posted on 12/30/2011 5:25:26 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: CainConservative

I’m from Scranton, Pa, and I am a conservative Christian who has never been impressed with Huckabee. He was a pretty liberal governor in a conservative state, raising taxes many times, and exploding the budget, as best I remember it. Bob


50 posted on 12/30/2011 5:29:06 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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