JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA to APPEAR to Testify

Atlanta Admin Court ^ | 1/20/2012 | Judge Malihi

[GregNH]

Defendant, President Barack Obama, a candidate seeking the Democratic nomination for the office of the President of the United States, has filed a motion to quash the subpoena compelling his attendance at the hearing on January 26, 2012.

[Seizethecarp]

“I don’t have it here, but I’ve read that generally speaking, bastards are considered stateless. The important thing is what the founders would have believed. Legitimacy is an issue that Vattel discusses in regards to the monarchy, but I’m not up to speed on it.

“The bastard angle is not a good one for Obama, because he has to come up with a good story as to why he’s deceived the American public about this angle.”

Obama can claim that until the INS records were released with the publication of the book “The Other Barack” he had no idea that his father was a bigamous sexual predator at the time he was born, and, as he said in the Ayers scripted “Dreams,” he relied on his mother's stories about his father and mother's “hopes for the future” and their “improbable love.” It is obvious to the whole world that somebody lied (Stanley Ann or Barry) and Stanley Ann is dead so why not blame her and claim innocence if you are Barry?

Bastards (children of unmarried women, whether or not their father is on the BC or not) are not stateless and never were in the US back to the beginning. They have the “unitary” citizenship of their mother when born in US jurisdiction. This is especially true after WWII when international treaties and laws were pretty much universally changed to prevent stateless births around the world, IIRC.

[butterdezillion]

Contrary to what we’ve been told, those announcements were probably reported by the hospital at the request of the parents. Not by the HDOH. And there’s pretty good evidence that Obama’s announcement was actually forged even at that, since the microfilms were manipulated. I know for sure that the stories we were told by the people who supposedly “found” the announcements at the Hawaii State Library are false. So why did they lie about that, if they could have actually gone to the HSL and taken copies of the announcements from the microfilms there?

[katnip]

“She says she has access to the courtroom thirty minutes before the Court opens it’s doors.”

Uh... and how is that possible?

She's really the cleaning lady....

[Danae]

I would LOVE to show up with a Name Tag on my jacket saying, “I am FReeper Danae. Bring it! Momma gonna knock you out!” FUN!!!!

[Danae]

Minor V. Happersett 1875 says otherwise. It has NEVER been overturned, instead it has been cited dozens and dozens of times in 136 years.

[butterdezillion]

I just have to say that we have no genuine evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. Nearly every agency that claims to have any records on Obama has been caught falsifying or fabricating records on Obama’s behalf. That being the case, none of the evidence can be presumed to be genuine without first looking into the provenance of the documents on which they rely.

[edge919]

You are incorrect in your hypothesis if you are indicating that Britain has to do some kind of act to make the marriage illegal. I am the first person that brought up this whole angle of the British law and marriage on this site and have been posting about it for some time.

One of the things that I kept telling the naysayers is that the law was to Obama’s advantage, and if necessary, he would use it .

On the face of the facts as we know them today as presented by Obama and family - Obama was born a bastard under British law...IF there was a marriage to Ann- which I don’t think there was- and IF Sr was married to someone else and not divorced.

Sorry, but the law is not to Obama's advantage. First, he's going to have to produce a verifiable LEGAL record that his father was previously married ... you know, like a legal marriage certificate from Kenya. Personal claims and speculation are NOT going to supercede the alleged Long-Form Birth Certificate showing Stanley Ann OBAMA as the mother and Barack Hussein Obama (SR.) as the father, plus the Dunham-Obama divorce records, Barak Sr. immigration records, HI DOH Index Data, etc. Obama didn't have a copy of his own long form birth certificate until April 2011. How is he going to legally document that his father was previously married by Thursday???? It ain't gonna happen. As far as the law is going to see, Obama's parents were legally married and his father was a British subject when Obama was born. By principles discussed aplenty here and the nationality act that Obama himself has posted STILL at his Fight the Smears site, he is acknowledging himself as a British subject at birth. s advantage. First, he

[Danae]

Bawahahahaha! That was a Real LOL!!!! heh heh heh!

[Seizethecarp]

“This may have been Plan B from the beginning.”

That is what I have been trying to tell Leo Donofrio for two years, and I am not the only one. Leo would not put up comments on his blog that undermined his NBC complaint...a totally justified one, considering the blatant violation of the Constitution Barry was claiming in front of everyone, but no one cared.

BTW, Hat tip to you, RummyChick, for first putting me on to the Kezia marriage in Kenya, IIRC!

Leo claims that since Obama made a legal "statement against interest" that he was "governed by the 1948 BNA," his mere statement was sufficient to go full bore against him. But, as I wrote to Leo in comments, Barry lies all the time twisting things cynically to his advantage. With a $billion in cash for his campaign and lawyers why would Barry admit to something (non-NBC status) that could bring down his presidency if true...if he didn't have a Plan B???...exactly as you suggest.

I told Leo that Barry had an out of simply revealing his father's bigamy. If Barry's Factcheck legal team was citing the 1948 BNA I would expect them to have read it, including the provision that illigitimate children do not become UK subjects.

[katnip]

I am not a lawyer but have been following this thread all night. I would love to see the Obamunist kept off the ballot.

So, let’s say no one shows up with documents the judge ordered and the judge decides to keep Obama off the ballot.

Wouldn’t they just judge shop and have a higher judge reverse the decision?

[butterdezillion]

Whoa! Why would Issa cave now that they’ve got big players pleading the 5th? That makes no sense whatsoever, unless there’s crooked stuff going on underneath it all - like threats being made to Issa...

[edge919]

A court in the UK would have to declare Obama illegitimate and officially negate the inherent citizenship claim. This isn’t something that can be done in a U.S. courtroom during an eligibility hearing. The physical evidence that is available right here and now says the father was legitimate and that his son was born with a natural birthright to British citizenship. Obama’s Fight the Smears page works against him, plus the citations in Shanks v. Dupont, Inglis v. Sailors Snug Harbor, The Venus, Minor and Wong Kim Ark, several recognizing the distinction of British citizenship for the children born in the U.S. of parents who adhered to their British citizenship, as distinguished from natural-born citizenship.

[Danae]

Granted, what you say MIGHT be the case.

I do NOT think Obama is going to go that route. This might be hard to track, because we might not know the outcome of this bet for a long time - maybe not ever, but I am willing to bet a 100$ donation to FR that Obama does NOT go the route of the Bastard excuse. LOL The Bastard Protocol - Oh I freaking crack myself up! LOL The Bastard Protocol LOLZ

ANYWAY.....

Come Nov 6th, if Barry has NOT gone that route, I win. If he DOES go that route we will know much sooner than that. In which case I will post my donation and ask one of the Mods to confirm it.

Wanna bet?

This is by the way just a very friendly bet between FReeper FRiends. And a way to support FR! :) We can change amounts, I just know that I can part with 100 bucks for certain. Never bet more than you can afford to lose.

Anyone else want in?

[Seizethecarp]

“My mother was a single woman who never married my father (Obama Sr.) but he is still listed on my birth certificate. He is LEGALLY my father. Therefore I am not a NBC”

Legal father for paternity and child support is not the same as legal father for citizenship.

A bigamous marriage is “a nullity” (did not exist) and under the 1948 BNA only legitimate children (children of mothers legally married to UK subjects) become UK subjects at birth. Barry was not such a child, as stated to be strongly suspected by the INS when the US threw his father out of the US. So if the UK would not recognize Barry as a UK subject, Barry is not a dual citizen but only a US citizen through his single mother.

[Danae]

The Bastard Protocol.

LMAO

Who knows, you could be right.

[Seizethecarp]

“Obama was born under the jurisdiction of Great Britain, not the USA. Because his father was a British transient.”

As governed by the 1948 BNA Barry is NOT a UK subject if his parents marriage was a nullity, as the US INS strongly suspected when they ejected him from the US:

http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

“(2) Subject to the provisions of section twenty-three of this Act, any reference in this Act to a child shall be construed as a reference to a legitimate child; and the expressions “father”, “ancestor” and “descended” shall be construed accordingly.”

[Bellflower]

It has been speculated that their was once a real Obama but this "Manchurian candidate" Obama has taken his place. With all the strange and different stories you have to wonder if he is at least largely made up. Here is an article which has as it's main theme that he believes Obama's birth certificate is being kept hidden but it sums up a lot of what is missing in Obama's records rather well and discusses his multiple SSNs too. A good read.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/

The Mystery Of Barack Obama Continues

inShare78

The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues. Most Americans don’t realize we have elected a president whom we know very little about.

Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.....

[Seizethecarp]

“Mike Huckabee on O’Reilly tonight: Did Obama Get Foreign Student Loans In College?”

That was asked at the White House briefing this week...and blown off.

If the GOP candidates are getting the proctological document treatment...not the MSM is suddenly getting interested in Obama’s docs. Better late than never?

[Danae]

Oh, its gonna get appealed no matter what I bet. Point for us is either to get him gone, or to have it go to SCOTUS and let them FINALLY man up, recuse Kagan and Sotomayor as Obama appointed them (they would legally have to recuse), and let SCOTUS uphole Minor v Hapapersett. Even if it happens AFTER obama loses in Nov, it will disgrace him forever and undo all he did. That works fine for me.

For Obama, in order to keep all the socialist BS he would have to resign before that point to shut this all down. I am not gonna put any money on that.

[grey_whiskers]

This looks to me like a signal that the Obama campaign team is pivoting to the “bastard child of a single mother thus unitary US citizenship at birth and not a UK subject at birth” defence on the NBC issue.

BZZZZZZZT!

More like "Virgin Birth".../sarc>

Cheers!