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To: Flotsam_Jetsome; Spaulding; BuckeyeTexan; Danae; LucyT; GregNH; edge919
“Even if some legal technicality (sham marriage et al) were to render any British/dual citizenship issues moot, a Natural Born Citizen is one born on US soil to a matched set of American citizen parents, naturally.”

Let's say Stanley Ann was legally married to BNO Sr. but had an affair with Frank Marshall Davis and put Davis on the BC. Would Barry be an NBC?

IMO, no because the legality of the marriage governs the legal paternity of the child of the marriage for citizenship in the US and UK. Barry would be a dual citizen US and UK subject even though his biological father and the father on the BC was US citizen Frank Marshall Davis!

In the Minor case the Court only distinguished between NBC’s and children of aliens. then the Court said maybe some of the children of aliens might be citizens, though clearly were NOT NBC, IMO.

But SCOTUS in Minor was talking exclusively of NBCs and alien children established by legal marriage to an alien father, IMO. SCOTUS in Minor was NOT explicitly considering as aliens the children of unmarried US citizen mothers, nor foundlings who might be children of aliens.

"Born in the country to parents who are citizens" COULD be ruled by this SCOTUS to include children of single US citizen mothers despite the plural "citizens," IMO, because such children are clearly not legally the children of aliens or foreigners and have US citizenship but both blood and soil. We just won't know until there is a ruling.

545 posted on 01/21/2012 7:57:53 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp; Flotsam_Jetsome; Spaulding; BuckeyeTexan; Danae; LucyT; edge919
This conjecture is predicated on Zero trying to deflect the issue and declare himself something other than what he has already established himself to be. He cannot go back and say he was a bastard child after claiming he was BHO's son for so long. "I found the article among my birth certificate and vaccination papers"

There are two pieces of evidence not yet entered into the public realm. Page 11 of the divorce decree and a BC from where ever he entered this world.

555 posted on 01/21/2012 8:13:55 AM PST by GregNH (I am so ready to join a brigade of pick up trucks......)
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To: Seizethecarp

No. The marriage is irrelevant in that scenario. Davis is the biological father and is listed on the BC. Junior would absolutely be NBC.


561 posted on 01/21/2012 8:26:49 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Seizethecarp

I can’t imagine SCOTUS ruling that a child with only one parent on their birth certificate couldn’t run for president if the mother was a US citizen at time of birth and father was unknown. Not in 2012.

I ask that people on this thread who are pro-life and hope that an unmarried woman who becomes pregnant but decides to keep the baby instead of having an abortion, stop calling the kids ‘bastards’. Is the blame the child’s?


716 posted on 01/21/2012 5:16:08 PM PST by Rutabega (No one reads these anyway, right?)
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To: Seizethecarp; Spaulding; BuckeyeTexan; Danae; LucyT; GregNH; edge919
""Born in the country to parents who are citizens" COULD be ruled by this SCOTUS to include children of single US citizen mothers despite the plural "citizens," IMO, because such children are clearly not legally the children of aliens or foreigners and have US citizenship but both blood and soil. We just won't know until there is a ruling."

I'll concede that this scenario is not out of the realm of of judicial possibility. However, and I may be coming in here late (this thread has grown by over 200 posts since I went to bed last night here in Yokohama) and this point may already have been been gnawed over since I last weighed in, but just as food for thought:

If the founder's intention by inserting the NBC language in A2S1C5 of the Constitution was to minimize to the greatest extent possible the potential for divided loyalties in a person elected to wield the presidential levers of power, then simple logic would seem to dictate that a person with one foreign born parent, regardless of the legal parentage status of that alien progenitor, would have at least a theoretically higher chance of having sympathies with the foreign nation of the alien parent's origin than a child born to parents who are both citizens.

739 posted on 01/21/2012 7:39:18 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome ("Obama" Eligibility: Don't let 'em (continue to) get away with it.)
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