Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Perpetuating the Erroneous “Ticking Bomb” View of Veterans
VAntage Point - Dispatches from the U.S. Dept. of Veterans Affairs ^ | 27 January, 2012 | Alex Horton

Posted on 01/31/2012 9:52:29 AM PST by SZonian

A few weeks ago, we warned against an increasingly prevalent narrative in news: That war Veterans are violent, unstable, and dangerous. I explained why that simply isn’t the case, and how those aspersions can hurt Vets and deepen the divide between us and civilians.

Thursday, the national media moved a step closer to establishing this unfortunate characterization as conventional wisdom in the newsroom. USA Today, a national newspaper second to only the Wall Street Journal in distribution, published a story with a headline brimming with violent imagery:

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.va.gov ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: corruption; enemedia; fascistmedia; fraud; liberalfascism; liberalmedia; mediabias; mediacorruption; military; msm; veteran; veterans
It's a BLOG, but it's a damned good one about what the media is doing to sterotype our veterans.

Excerpted out of ignorance, so hold the flamethrowers please.

Here's the link to the USA Today article in question...http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-01-24/police-training-combative-veterans/52794974/1

The blogger does a pretty good job of dissecting this narrative, but USA Today should also hear from the veterans about perpetuating a stereotype.

1 posted on 01/31/2012 9:52:36 AM PST by SZonian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SZonian; humblegunner

“Excerpted out of ignorance, so hold the flamethrowers please.”

_______________________________________________

Bookmarking this excuse for the Blog Pimp Buster.

Question: if you knew going into this thread it was excerpted in ignorance, then does that mean you will post the ENTIRE blog in reply?

Thanks.


2 posted on 01/31/2012 9:59:15 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Newt or else. What part of "Join or Die" don't you understand?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SZonian

Blogpimps R us.


3 posted on 01/31/2012 10:02:24 AM PST by Dan(9698)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SZonian

As I understand it, only about 5-10% of veterans saw combat. The rest performed back-office duties.


4 posted on 01/31/2012 10:03:27 AM PST by proxy_user
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dan(9698)

Yeah, my posting history is replete with pimping blogs.

It’s how I supplement my income, I get a kickback for every one I post here.


5 posted on 01/31/2012 10:05:45 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SZonian

On 1970s TV, the psycho was always a Vietnam vet, always, on 60 minutes, Dateline type shows, the same.

Have you noticed that the 10,000,000 Vietnam era vets never showed up as sitcom Dads or as Grand Pa? WWII, Korea, those were, and are, just fine, for dad, or grandfather.

Everybody Loves Raymond could have Granddaddy sharing a fox hole in Korea, but sitcom families have never had lovable, cuddly, Vietnam vet grand fathers and dads.


6 posted on 01/31/2012 10:06:21 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd; humblegunner

I might, it depends on how “nice” you ask.


7 posted on 01/31/2012 10:06:32 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SZonian

USA Today, as a “newspaper” is excellent as fish wrap - Just like the NYT, WaPo and a bunch of others. All are best used as garbagecan filler.

I am a vet with PTSD. I, and the majority of my fellow vets who have been diagnosed with PTSD have NEVER been involved in a domestic dispute with our spouse; have NEVER robbed a store, bank, or individual; have NEVER committed murder outside of war (and ONLY within the limits of what the rules of engagement allow!), but we are treated like this by the DBM.

And people wonder why we are angry and have PTSD!!

If this makes you as angry as it makes me, CANCEL your newspaper subscriptions and stop watching local and network news!! It only encourages them and puts more money in their pockets to keep pushing their uber-liberal agenda!!


8 posted on 01/31/2012 10:11:00 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ansel12

Yep, just more of the same.

It’s a damned shame too. The vast majority of veterans return and blend right back into society as normal, productive citizens.

Rarely, if ever, does one hear about how much they contribute as a result of their service.

Troops to Teachers is one that comes to mind.


9 posted on 01/31/2012 10:11:07 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I agree with your assessment of USA Today. It’s “news” for idiots and all that, but they have a HUGE circulation.

Hotels, airports, etc. Their message gets spread far and wide.

And that’s a large part of the problem here. They’re complicit in perpetuating the “myth” about veterans.

Thank you for your service and I wish you and all the others like you all the best in dealing with your PTSD.


10 posted on 01/31/2012 10:16:08 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: SZonian

The reality of the average Vietnam vet, aside from being a volunteer (70-75%) and unbeatable on the battlefield, is that he was better educated, and better adjusted and successful than the average non-vet.

This was based on percentage of intact marriages, home ownership, education level, average income, etc.

The book “Stolen Valor” is the best book on the Vietnam vet.

The current veteran story will be an improvement over the already successful story of the Vietnam vet, so the media is just doing their usual creating of a falsehood and imagery, to use in their narrative and propaganda for the next 20 years..


11 posted on 01/31/2012 10:26:20 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: ansel12
"but sitcom families have never had lovable, cuddly, Vietnam vet grand fathers and dads."

Sometimes our life resembles a comedy, and I'M a loveable & cuddly Vietnam Vet, or so says Mrs. BN. ;-)

12 posted on 01/31/2012 10:51:02 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: SZonian
Thank you for your service and I wish you and all the others like you all the best in dealing with your PTSD.

I don't mean to be rude and I know that you have the best intentions by thanking me for my service. I'm a Vietnam vet and we were treated so badly when we returned that thanking me for my service has no meaning whatsoever to me.

Another FReeper has the answer, courtesy of her Vietnam vet uncle. Instead of thanking us, please just welcome us home. You won't believe the tears that brings to this old man's eyes.

13 posted on 01/31/2012 10:57:48 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment
Welcome home!
14 posted on 01/31/2012 11:02:36 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: proxy_user
As I understand it, only about 5-10% of veterans saw combat. The rest performed back-office duties.

There are "back-office duties" and back-office duties. In Vietnam, clerks, nurses, medics, etc., were in the camps in-country. They may not have gone out on patrols in the jungle, but they were subjected to the same shelling and rocket attacks as everyone else in the camp.

Does that disqualify them as "combat vets"?

15 posted on 01/31/2012 11:04:02 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SZonian; DustyMoment; proxy_user

There might be some problems with the blog in relation to the USA Today article, but I think the concept is solid. The government and the media consider veterans potential domestic terrorists. One need only consult the Homeland Security publication the Obama Administration had to withdraw. The withdrawal was prompted by veteran groups getting attention for an implication that all vets were potentially a latter day Timothy McVeigh.

Political obfuscation accompanied withdrawal, and no verbal or written statement rejected the document in detail. I maintain this mythology has become part of the culture of the left. The excruciating title is “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment”, and here is the link.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

This country has come full circle since Vietnam. I was popularly regarded as a deranged, drug addicted, baby killing, fascist, pig. It seems the truth was presented in a History Channel show that the helo pilots reference. Here is the link to that.

Statistics about the Vietnam War (scroll down and hit words beside History Channel logo)
http://www.vhfcn.org/

Now my son who became a Marine rifleman holds popular distinction as a despondent, mentally challenged, chemically dependent, cold blooded, killer. And if you find that characterization inaccurate consult, John Kerry, Jack Murtha, and the VA answering machine.


16 posted on 01/31/2012 11:05:11 AM PST by Retain Mike
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

Well, who am I to begrudge a veteran a simple request...

Welcome Home soldier.

FRegards,
SZ


17 posted on 01/31/2012 12:30:15 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

I was thinking of a guy whom the media characterized as a ‘ticking time bomb’, who had actually spent his time in Iraq as a bureaucrat in a secure base. Sure, the base could have been attacked, but it was pretty secure overall.


18 posted on 01/31/2012 1:21:15 PM PST by proxy_user
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SZonian

Thank you, kindly, my FRiend.

It’s good to be home.

We were never welcomed bck after our tour of duty was completed other than by being called nasty names, spit on and denied jobs because we served in ‘Nam. It wasn’t the most fun time in my life.


19 posted on 01/31/2012 2:37:20 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Retain Mike
I was popularly regarded as a deranged, drug addicted, baby killing, fascist, pig. It seems the truth was presented in a History Channel show that the helo pilots reference.

Sounds like we are birds of a feather. I was Navy aviation flying aboard P-3s and later working on EA-6Bs, 1967 - 1974. Like you, I am very familiar with how we were treated. It is the primary source of my PTSD.

Welcome home, my brother! Welcome home!

20 posted on 01/31/2012 2:48:19 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: JustSayNoToNannies

Thank you.

Very, very much! It’s been a long journey . . . .


21 posted on 01/31/2012 2:50:08 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

During Desert Shield, I saw many folks who saw what VN vets went through or were vets who went through the type of “welcome” you describe, “insist” that we wouldn’t be subject to the same when we returned.

When I got home, my unit commander tried to order me to parade through downtown LV with the rest of our fighter wing. I refused.

Why? I didn’t feel that I deserved such. I didn’t face enemy fire and with the exception of the pilots, I don’t recall that there were any real risks our unit faced.

I felt that I had done the job the American people had paid me to do and called it “even”. Having my bride (we were married less than 6 mos. when I deployed) welcome me home on the tarmac and the subsequent thanks of many friends and family was enough for me.

It’s kind of funny though, a person who is not real welcome on FR, Gen. Colin Powell and the genius behind Desert Storm, Gen. Schwarzkopff mentioned a few times that DS would not be another Vietnam.

The American people seemed to do their best to try and heal the wounds of Vietnam while we were deployed and when we returned. The yellow ribbons, videos on tv stations, newspaper articles, radio stations having special call in segments and dedications, etc. It did mean a lot knowing we had their support.

Welcome Home for VN vets via proxy? I don’t know.

Only you and your fellow VN vets can answer that.

FRegards,
SZ


22 posted on 01/31/2012 2:56:08 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

Welcome home Brother, I spent two tours in country never encountered any of that crap, except once, maybe my experiences were different, then again everyone wants to be loved.


23 posted on 01/31/2012 3:03:11 PM PST by Little Bill (Sorry)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Retain Mike; DustyMoment

I think, with the exception of family members and close friends, the persistent stereotyping of veterans as you describe and as the article does, dulls the general public’s senses.

They become numb to the truth. That that vast majority of veterans are quite able to integrate back into society.

The left is quite adept at marginalizing groups of people through this type of stereotyping.

Only recently has the American people rejected their premise. DS/DS is an example of the majority of Americans rejecting the left’s agenda with that regard.

As you adeptly pointed out, it’s coming full circle. The media is now once again, stereotyping our troops. They’ve been doing so since the beginning of the Iraq War. Using anything to tear down the respect people have of our troops.

Korans in a toilet (patently false) to pissing on the taliban vermin in Afghanistan. It’s demoralizing, it’s exactly what they want.

Eff ‘em.

Welcome home.

FRegards,
SZ


24 posted on 01/31/2012 3:03:38 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

I was Navy also. I was a black shoe line officer, and a ship driver in the Blue Water and Brown Water Navy. I remember after active duty going to the University of Oregon for graduate school. I allied myself with three other present and former military officers also taking degrees in the Business Department. When any of us were together in a class we thrashed the other students. I think they put me on the road to keep looking military, if for no other reason than to ruin some liberal’s day.

A few years ago I came up with the saying, “You need to live your life in such a way that you can take as much comfort in the enemies you make as the friends who surround you.”

Welcome home. Even if you are still on the outside, you and I are getting old enough to claim eccentricity and to take some joy in irritating people.


25 posted on 01/31/2012 5:34:00 PM PST by Retain Mike
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: SZonian

Thank you.


26 posted on 01/31/2012 5:35:32 PM PST by Retain Mike
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

Welcome Home, my brother.

Welcome home.


27 posted on 01/31/2012 8:25:48 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Shadowstrike

Thank you. I’m beginning to feel like I am really back home.


28 posted on 01/31/2012 8:52:05 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Retain Mike

Thank you, sir. You sound a bit like my dad. He would have loved your saying.

Unfortunately, he was career AF (and, NOT Navy AF! LOL!). But, he was a helluva man.

I was brown shoe Navy. When I was looking for a branch of military to join, oddly enough, the Navy was the only service that would guarantee that I might have the chance to fly. And, I wanted to fly and be around aircraft. After that, it wasn’t hard to choose.

No matter what the press and the politicians did to us, I have always been proud of my military service. For the lifetime friends and shipmates I made, I’d do it again in a heartbeat! People who have never spent a minute in the military have no idea what they are missing!

May you always have calm winds and following seas!


29 posted on 01/31/2012 9:05:06 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

May God bless all your future years.


30 posted on 01/31/2012 10:45:34 PM PST by Retain Mike
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Retain Mike

Thank you, kindly, sir.

And may you always be blessed!


31 posted on 02/01/2012 6:08:57 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson