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Lack of Skill and Composure Lead to Unsurprising Santorum Face-Plant in Crucial Phoenix Debate
Reaganite Republican ^ | February 23, 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 02/23/2012 5:10:32 AM PST by Reaganite Republican


While there are varied degrees of criticism, it does seem all but unanimous this morning that Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum blew a major chance  to convince the skeptical in our party that he's got what it takes to beat the Obama machine this fall.... 

Instead, Ricky Wonder Bread choked (for at least the first half of the debate), confirming the worst fears: unprepared for attacks he should have known were coming, uncharismatic, unconvincing as a debater- while unsettlingly showing flashes of temper and immaturity, serious flaws in a candidate for what is sure to be a brutal, negative battle.

Not only did Mittens have him on the ropes (in a hall stuffed with Romney supporters by the AZ GOP), Santorum was easily ruffled and repeatedly put back on his heels both by Mitt and Ron Paul, appearing quite angry for being asked to defend his past decisions and actions. As heard here time and time again, this one ain't got what it takes to make it in The Bigs, so glaringly obvious after watching him whiff like this... maybe after a few years on the farm team, but not this season. 

Hey, Santorum seems like an OK guy, I myself am a church-going Catholic and yes I do like most all his platform... he simply will not beat Obama in November if nominated, that's all.

Newt Gingrich -while laying off RS completely- actually delivered one of his better performances, hitting Romney as a hypocrite re. earmarks while mainly focusing on Obama, in particular his great enthusiasm for abortion. Combined with Santorum's failure to deliver in the clutch, it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the polls as ST approaches.

But catch this: Ron Paul again joined with Romney in trashing Santorum... while nary a peep about Mittens' (99% opposite of his) foreign policy.  Hmmm, well if that strikes you as exceedingly odd, you're not the only one: some see a pattern in this over the last few debates: since Paul's positions on Iran and such make him nonviable as a candidate himself, speculation is growing that he's in the race as a spoiler at this point, in order to split the right and drag-down Gingrich and Santorum.

Why would über-idealist Ron Paul want to go and do a thing like that... collaborate with Flipper, you ask? Rumors also rife the (unprincipled after all) old man is maneuvering to get Rand Paul on the ticket as VP (with unabashed statist Romney!). If true, this would be a hypocrital sellout of the first order... bet you Paulbots never saw this one coming- 

Now we're back to asking all of you take yet another fresh look at Newton Leroy Gingrich: all I can tell you is if Newt is unable to capitalize on Super Tuesday, I will be looking to an open convention in order to nominate a candidate who can go out there and lay into the Obama in the way that it needs to be done: Dear Leader's whole gig is based on maintaining his smiley-faced-mannequin facade while ramming-through a hidden (Marxist, racist) agenda as fast as possible, by-hook-or-by-crook... this reality needs to be exposed thoroughly in order for the Republican Party to win back the White House (as demonstrated by the Former House Speaker last night):

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1 posted on 02/23/2012 5:10:36 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: ken5050

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2 posted on 02/23/2012 5:13:30 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

B4L8R flamewatch!


3 posted on 02/23/2012 5:19:10 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Exposure to the Son may prevent burning.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I sometimes wonder if Sarah Palin has anticipated a brokered convention, and if so, is she lying in wait.


4 posted on 02/23/2012 5:19:47 AM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: Reaganite Republican

Make that “bonfire of the vanity.”


5 posted on 02/23/2012 5:19:58 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Exposure to the Son may prevent burning.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The authors bias is so readily apparent that one can hardly take him/her not one bit seriously. Santorum could have shined like a diamond and this writer would have only seen a chunk of coal.


6 posted on 02/23/2012 5:21:46 AM PST by Ron H.
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To: Rennes Templar

She always does thing to be thinking two steps ahead somehow... I would welcome a Palin entry at that point.


7 posted on 02/23/2012 5:23:09 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Ron H.

I have never found him charismatic, clever, or skilled enough to be nominee... why do I need to give him any chance after that when I feel Gingrich is ten times the man, makes Santorum look like a child, actually.

Ricky acting like one last night didn’t help his case one bit, did it.


8 posted on 02/23/2012 5:25:06 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Ron H.

Bingo


9 posted on 02/23/2012 5:28:46 AM PST by Not The Other One
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To: Ron H.

It’s only a Newtbot blog. Consider the source.


10 posted on 02/23/2012 5:29:28 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Reaganite Republican
Did we watch the same debate ?
I admit Rick stumbled a bit on procedure,
but It was ROMNEY who had an epic fail!
Romney kept trying to steer every question into an MSM enabed food fight, often (and transparently) going way off topic to do so.

Mitt needs to drop out now.

11 posted on 02/23/2012 5:29:41 AM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Reaganite Republican
How many times can we be asked to take a bite of the Newt apple and keeping coming back for more? Just because the name of State changes does not mean his flavor has changed. One day it taste like it is caramel apple. The next day it is just an old sour apple. You never know which apple you are biting into. I am at the point that I just don't want to take a bite of that apple again no matter the flavor.

That mean, based upon this process of elimination, we are left with Romney. Plane and simple! And, that does not excite me. Why? How excited will voters be to support the guy with has a great “Oppo Man” but has the same governing background as the One? Not very.

Unlike Mclame, Romney may fight the One, but the voters will stay with the devil they know instead of the one they don't.

That means we will get a liberal SCOTUS. That means more regulations. That means we will get even more crony capitalism. That means in 4 years we will become Greece, because this government can not help itself when it comes to mature governance. We will be in so much debt we will die just as other republics have in the past.

So enjoy the horse race we all call a campaign because the finish line will suck for everyone with Romney in the saddle.

12 posted on 02/23/2012 5:29:51 AM PST by vg0va3
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To: Reaganite Republican

Last night Newt did a good job. Much better than in the last two debates when he was the guy being ferociously attacked. It kind of works like that.

Santorum had a bad night. It is always harder when you have to spend the whole debate on defense rather than making good points. But..I am sure Santorum knew it was coming. It is hard to fight when the moderator and two of the debaters are pummeling you from every direction. That said, Newt was not the one doing the attacking.

All in all, Romney held his own and the outcome will help the Myth more than anyone else.

Santorum will drop some, Newt will rise some, but will either now be able to top Romney and his horse boy Ron Paul?

Me? I am not going to participate in insulting Newt or Santorum at this time. It is pointless.


13 posted on 02/23/2012 5:31:30 AM PST by dforest
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To: Reaganite Republican
Wow, this writer is definately hijacking a name, huh!

Reagan was ProLife...seems this writer could not care any less about being ProLife. How can he call himself a “reaganite” and be so ProRomney who supports abortion, euthanasia, infanticide, eugenics, genocide and assisted-suicide, healthcare rationing, etc? And then be so anti-Santorum, who is the only candidate who is 100% ProLife and during a campaign where the ONLY thing that will save this nation is full respect for the dignity of the human person and Judeo-Christian principles and constitutional protection of religious liberty? Oh, I get it...he/she's a “Nancy Reaganite.”

Go figure...

14 posted on 02/23/2012 5:34:15 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

It’s no shock to those of us that didnt buy into the “anointed candidate from Jesus” bandwagon attitude Ricks people have been putting out.

They spent so much time projecting greatness on this guy that they failed to remember that all projections need a big blank sheet to go on.

And boy Rick is one of the biggest blank sheets out there.


15 posted on 02/23/2012 5:34:42 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: dforest
Newt will rise some, but will either now be able to top Romney and his horse boy Ron Paul?

My guess he kicks Romney's sorry butt to the curb in the South and Santorum looses his Big-Mo their as last night showed he ain't got the Chops for it.

IMHO Rush maybe right, we maybe looking in a couple weeks of the massive rebound of the Newtster.

16 posted on 02/23/2012 5:36:14 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Reaganite Republican

There won’t be a late entry. In a brokered convention, the big GOP cheeses will do the brokering and they will pick Mitt Romney.

They aren’t going to pick anyone who hasn’t put any sweat into actually running. That includes, Jeb, Mitch, Chris, Sarah, you name it.

If that happened, nobody would ever bother running as a candidate again. It wouldn’t be worth it. The resentment would cause the chosen one to lose.


17 posted on 02/23/2012 5:37:08 AM PST by dforest
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To: Reaganite Republican

Romney wins the award for least sincere and least conservative.


18 posted on 02/23/2012 5:39:38 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, R. Zacharias, Erwin Lutzer, and others.)
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To: Ron H.

‘zackly.


19 posted on 02/23/2012 5:41:15 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: VanDeKoik

Santorum finished a distant fourth last night. Even Paul showed him to be the typical “politician”.


20 posted on 02/23/2012 5:42:01 AM PST by csmusaret (I have kleptomania, but when it gets too bad I take something.)
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To: SecondAmendment

Santorum is an honest man in an increasingly dishonest world. I’m stickin with Rick.


21 posted on 02/23/2012 5:42:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: taildragger

It’s apparent to many that ron paul and romney tag teamed santorum and have been aligned for awhile. Seems like obamney/RAND paul VP is the DEAL. Santorum lost some glitter and needs to align with Gingrich. The real battle now is obamney vs gingrich.


22 posted on 02/23/2012 5:43:45 AM PST by biggredd1
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To: taildragger

Anything is possible. If Newt rises, he will once again go through the ringer though.

He certainly didn’t shine in the two Florida debates when he was kicked around by Romney and the media.

I worry now that nobody will be able to rise fast enough to stop a Romney roll.

This morning, the media is fawning over Romney and his “so called” consistent debate performances.

If Romney wins Michigan and Nevada, and does fairly well on Super Tuesday, it could be about over.


23 posted on 02/23/2012 5:44:53 AM PST by dforest
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To: Reaganite Republican

CNN last evening and FoxNews this morning are indicating that last night’s debate may be the final one for the GOP primary season.

The question is whether Gingrich can capitalize on Santorum’s weak debate showing. If Gingrich’s numbers do not soar as today’s polls come in, he becomes the huck-hanger-on.

Romney may have managed to improve his showing and squeak out a win in Michigan.

Santorum’s Big Mo may have been daunted by the debate.

But, for Gingrich, he MUST show a win in at least one state before SuperTuesday. Without that, he falls further behind in the delegate count. Even if Santorum and Romney split AZ-MI, that doesn’t help Gingrich, especially since Gingrich is struggling in GA.


24 posted on 02/23/2012 5:45:47 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Rennes Templar
"I sometimes wonder if Sarah Palin has anticipated a brokered convention, and if so, is she lying in wait."

More like Fatty Arbuckle, er, Gov. Christie waiting for the buffet to open.

25 posted on 02/23/2012 5:47:33 AM PST by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: Reaganite Republican
why do I need to give him any chance after that when I feel Gingrich is ten times the man, makes Santorum look like a child, actually.

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Ten times the man????

No bias on your part at all.

Sorry but you have disqualified yourself as a legitimate commentator.

26 posted on 02/23/2012 5:49:35 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: dforest

——I worry now that nobody will be able to rise fast enough to stop a Romney roll.-——

Both Rick and Newt need Rick to take Michigan. If he doesn’t, there’s still hope, but not much.


27 posted on 02/23/2012 5:49:58 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: dforest

If not Newt I demand open convention

Mitt won’t repeal ObamaCare and Santorum would get trounced... what else is there to consider


28 posted on 02/23/2012 5:50:35 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: TomGuy

“Santorum’s Big Mo may have been daunted by the debate”

GOOD, he’s a guaranteed loser from where I’m standing.

If not Newt we need Palin or somebody else to step up at the convention, plenty of thinking people know Santorum is not going to cut it


29 posted on 02/23/2012 5:53:11 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

If Mitt gets the delegates, demanding ain’t going to happen. Remember, Ron Paul will probably throw his delegates to Mitt Romney.

So it isn’t going to happen.


30 posted on 02/23/2012 5:59:14 AM PST by dforest
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To: cripplecreek

Santorum defended his liberal voting record by telling us, “politics is a team sport.” His explanation of supporting Spector would have put a lot of athletes in prison........you know throwing the game because you made a bet against your team.


31 posted on 02/23/2012 6:00:35 AM PST by Toespi
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To: wtc911

>Ten times the man????

No bias on your part at all.”


Never claimed to be unbiased, few are

BUT you can forget what the candidates are saying, just compare the records of accomplishment... Newt’s conservative legislative victories are historic and HUGE, he’s one of the best debaters on the planet, and his IDEAL economic plan (#1 issue with US voters BY FAR) has been endorsed enthusastically by none less than Reagan’s economic guru Art Laffer.

Meanwhile, Santorum has done next to nothing but talk, really- how ironic then he’s such an atrocious debater, lol


32 posted on 02/23/2012 6:00:44 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: StAnDeliver

Christie will be Mittens’ pick for VP and hatchet man.


33 posted on 02/23/2012 6:01:03 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yeah, I know. Doesn’t look good right now. It might help if we all quit slamming our own.


34 posted on 02/23/2012 6:01:59 AM PST by dforest
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To: Toespi

“Santorum defended his liberal voting record by telling us, “politics is a team sport.” His explanation of supporting Spector would have put a lot of athletes in prison........you know throwing the game because you made a bet against your team.”

A-men


35 posted on 02/23/2012 6:02:11 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

The problem is that with this GOP leadership it will not be “open”. Those that manage the convention are the same 25-30% that have supported Romney since 2008.

At this point, I feel certain, the leadership would love an “open” convention. They will simply work their magic to give us Romney. That is why we are here today. Those that manage the process are managing the process in their chosen direction.

Note that MSNBC Morning Joe heads are all jumping on the Romney wagon. They know where that leads.


36 posted on 02/23/2012 6:03:32 AM PST by vg0va3
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To: dforest

Was counting on Mittens falling short, but that’s far from certain... the Paul angle sends a chill down the spine, tho... amazing


37 posted on 02/23/2012 6:04:07 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Toespi

Yeah the horros of supporting Spector is more than enough to disqualify any candidate right?

Gingrich ‘Deeply Upset’ That Scozzafava Endorsed Democrat After He’d Supported Her (ROFL)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2376848/posts

Newt: “I am, however, deeply dissapointed that she has chosen to back Owens over Hoffman.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2376172/posts

Jarrett: Dems want Scozzafava nod (Newt? Newt?)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2375959/posts

Right To Work Prez Calls Out Newt’s Hypocrisy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2375483/posts

Group Calls on Gingrich to Rescind Endorsement of Scozzafava

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374566/posts

Who Lied to (RINO) Newt Gingrich?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373633/posts

Newt Gingrich - “King of the RINOs”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373107/posts

Gingrich: A Vote for Hoffman Is a Vote for Pelosi

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373068/posts

Farewell To GOP’s Squishy Gingrich Wing

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2372160/posts

Are you kidding me?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2372078/posts

Gingrich calls GOP support for Hoffman a ‘purge’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2371959/posts

Newt on Greta talking about Scozzafava

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2371587/posts

Newt Gingrich: Doug Hoffman support a ‘mistake’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2371188/posts


38 posted on 02/23/2012 6:07:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Well we aren’t talking about Gingrich right now, are we?


39 posted on 02/23/2012 6:09:31 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Reaganite Republican
You define a man by his politics? Some of us define a man by his dedication to his family...iow...his character. Kinda hard to argue Newt over Santorum in that area or define Santorum as a boy.

And, I have and do support(ed) Newt. My objection is to your blatantly prejudiced attack being passed off as legitimate commentary....it is not. But, there's a lot of that going on around here these days.

40 posted on 02/23/2012 6:10:17 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: jimbo123
Christie will be Mittens’ pick for VP and hatchet man.

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Two NE liberal GOP governors? Won't happen.

41 posted on 02/23/2012 6:12:15 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
A pretty good summary of the reviews I've heard this AM.

I've already decided I won't vote for Romney based upon his underhanded trashing of Newt in Iowa and Florida. Santorum isn't ready for primetime. Ron Paul makes sense one minute and scares the hell out of me the next. I'm still a Palinista but Newt has impressed me in all of the debates. He's the only one who lays out his plan in detail. And it's a plan Sarah would be proud of.

Newt's CPAC speech transcript

42 posted on 02/23/2012 6:18:01 AM PST by McGruff (Go Newtclear.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

You are ridiculously over the top. White bread? With Romney sitting next to him you think RICK is white bread?


43 posted on 02/23/2012 7:05:14 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein; All

For me the problem is ONE THING: Santorum’s SUCH a weak candidate, lacking all the things I would look to have in facing Obama (save a conservative platform): he’s super-boring, lousy debater, not charming, not a winner, and not a leader... he’s never ran anything larger than his own Senate office. I would bet a lot of money he would be trounced in November.

And Santorum looked awful last night, who’s he going to win over with that snotty smirk and overacting... seems like a guy who’s not used to being talked back to.

Clearly if Ricky had faced even a fraction of the heat Gingrich has taken he’d been back home with the kids months ago... this is the great hope for the GOP?

Pathetic


44 posted on 02/23/2012 7:08:15 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: McGruff; All

“I’m still a Palinista but Newt has impressed me in all of the debates. He’s the only one who lays out his plan in detail. And it’s a plan Sarah would be proud of.”

Couldn’t agree more, McGruff- I honestly can’t believe the way so many ran away from Newt after Romney started attacking him... what ever happened to ‘consider the source’, people?

The only things new brought up were new only because they were Romney/PAC distortions and lies... anything true was old, old news

Newt’s Reaganite platform is awesome, very disappointed in those so easily swayed as to prefer this ‘Charlie Brown’ Rick Santorum... if Mitt fall short I will pray for Sarah at an open convention


45 posted on 02/23/2012 7:14:27 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: wtc911

Sick of watching Gingrich trashed as he takes the gentleman’s path, somebody needs to get in the trenches for him.

And it’s not a ‘prejudiced attack’ as much as an “I told you so”... been warning Santorum is a horrible candidate for months now, Obama would run circles around him. Folks can love his platform all they want, but I honestly question the judgement of anybody that’s enthusiastic about going up against the Dems with this guy.

I don’t mind taking some heat to get a few people to wake up to all this, it’s for the good of the conservative cause.


46 posted on 02/23/2012 7:21:13 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: taildragger

“IMHO Rush maybe right, we maybe looking in a couple weeks of the massive rebound of the Newtster”

From Rush’s lips to Gods ears.

Newt was the only presidential candidate on the stage last night. He is the only person with a real plan to hit the ground running on day one and restore the constitutional republic. Go Newt!!!


47 posted on 02/23/2012 7:22:57 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

AMEN, GG


48 posted on 02/23/2012 7:23:50 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Rennes Templar

I don’t think it’s accidental that the HBO thing is out to libel Palin yet again. A shot across the bow to let us all know that the media is a rattlesnake lying in wait to poison the country if it appears to be waking up before the Soros boa can finish the job on us.


49 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:43 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Reaganite Republican
Sorry, but Romney shut Gingrich up in the two debates before this one...got him to a “deer in the headlights”, flummoxed silence point. Do you think Romney is a better debater than obama?
50 posted on 02/23/2012 7:36:15 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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