Posted on 03/03/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
Just a day after Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Apaio presented proof the birth certificate presented by Barack Obama as proof he meets Constitutional eligibility to be president is a fraud, we have a story coming out of Hawaii that may provide problems for Obama.
Jerome Corsi writes:
Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.
“During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”
As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.
“Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”
But we know the CCP did not have original documents. We know they had a pdf copy that they downloaded from a web site. That’s what the report said.
They said the pdf image showed signs of being a computer generated forgery.
Do you agree that the pdg image was a forgery?
Take a deep breath, and try and post something of value instead of your deception, straw man baloney, off point, diversionary liberal garbage. You are repeating over and over again nonsense. Do you think you are making a point, you are not! I suggest you either get some real points to discuss or go to another site where you can all drink the same kool aid....
You sure have a lot of time to post here for someone supposedly doing contract work, what do you get paid by the word you post? What did you do in the Navy?
ZOT
I agree with you that it hasn’t happened yet.
What hasn't happened yet? What is "it"?
Just let the man answer the question. He was the one who brought up the issue of original documents.
Very simple question - can a professional document examiner detect fraud without actually touching the original document?
That seems like a relevant question regarding the CCP investigation.
An electronic copy of unknown provenance and no verifiable chain of custody is useless legally unless you have a valid digital signature. That’s the problem with electronic copies - ANYONE can alter them.
Can you show the provenance and chain of custody for the pdf they examined? Where was it stored? Who had access to it? What software programs were used to open it? How many copies did the CCP make?
There is a reason courts want to see real paper with seals and signatures. And so do document examiners.
Do you agree that the pdf image was a forgery?
Thanks for correcting my typo.
That's because you tried your surreptitious BS again!
Can you show me any instance where any certified examiner has declared the BC fraudulent?
He's just digging himself another hole RS.
Why are you trying to trap me into saying something that was never asserted?
can a professional document examiner detect fraud without actually touching the original document?
I already answered that for you see Dan Ranther TNG documents..
So can you answer a simple question?
Can you detect document forgery without looking at an original document?
That’s all I’m asking.
We are specifically talking about electronic copies. Copies that ANYONE can alter without detection.
You can’t alter paper copies without detection.
Ironically, CBS hired experts to authenticate the documents and they refused, saying they could not authenticate copies - they needed originals.
An electronic copy of unknown provenance and no verifiable chain of custody is useless legally unless you have a valid digital signature. That’s the problem with electronic copies - ANYONE can alter them.
DUH so why present an electronic copy? What about watermarks, digital and paper?
And if we're talking specifically about electronic copies then..
Why are you asking if a professional document examiner can detect fraud without actually touching the original document as the original document isn't what is in question and it has never presented for inspection?
Think about your own statement for a minute and then reflect on the question that got you started on your latest diatribe...
Can you show me any instance where the original files have been opened to the public to allow a certified examiner to examine them?
Can you show the provenance and chain of custody for the pdf they examined? Where was it stored? Who had access to it? What software programs were used to open it? How many copies did the CCP make?
There is a reason courts want to see real paper with seals and signatures.
Exactly.
Why do you assert the legitimacy or defend the veracity of the PDF? Repeatedly here, here, and here, etc.
Why is the public attention directed by Obama to this PDF if it is of no value?
Why do you think he refused to show up in court in Georgia with this document?
Do you begin to see the light?
Take your pick. Thinking faster than typing.
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