Splitting up is hard to watch (Vanity blog)

Tyranny Sentinel ^ | March 04, 2012 | geronl

[GeronL]

For a while I have suggested that conservatives become organized into a real faction within the Republican Party and we are seeing what happens because we are not. Had we done so we would not be seeing two candidates splitting the conservative vote and allowing a liberal white minstrel show become the GOP nominee.

Not only do we not have a great candidate in the race, we have two guys who both have some flaws. Newt Gingrich is one long train of baggage cars. Santorum is running as Mr. Rogers, he wants to be your neighbor. Amazingly there is also Ron Paul trying to be taken seriously, and in some instances he succeeds (which should give us all stomach craps).

The Republican establishment is not conservative. We have seen this proven time and time again. The GOP bigwigs and the Democrat bigwigs are nearly identical, they go to the same country clubs and they attend the same parties. They agree on a lot more issues than they disagree. These are not friends of the work-a-day grassroots Americans who cherish freedom and want to make prosperity possible for their and everyone else's children.

Mitt Romney is like Dole, McCain or HW Bush, who only won because of 8 years of being Ronald Reagans' Vice President. Romney is the designated loser of the 2012 campaign, designated by his own party bigwigs. He doesn't mind losing any more than McCain or Dole seemed to mind. They are 'moderates' ('with progressive views' in Romney's case) and they know the game and they are comfortable with it. Remember how John McCain was assuring Republican voters that Obama was a good man and would be a fine President.... weeks before the election? The fix was in.

It is long since past time for the conservatives of the party to form a party-within-a-party. A party with its own funding, recruitment ansd campaign mechanisms. A party that can hold nominating conventions across the country, like super-caucuses, to determine a single candidate to run in the GOP primary. Any other conservative who decides to run after losing this process gets the hand.

If we want to have a conservative party in America again, then we will have to do something like this. We cannot expect that a conservative party will just magically appear out of thin blue sky. Going third party will simply become a macro version of this primary campaign and give the Democrats everything they ever wanted.

I am not sure there will even be elections in 2016 should Obama win re-election, but I know that if we want to have a real opposition party to the two-party-one-party system that we have now, we should begin building that party-within-a-party right now.

[GeronL]

I always post the whole thing because I don't expect anyone to read my blog. Sometimes posts are months apart.

[GeronL]

Big Bump

[Cindy of Nashville]

We get so tired of hearing people who are supposed to be on our side using the liberal's buzz word “baggage” when they refer to Newt. Regarding this “baggage”.... So much of what they think they know just isn't so. It's either lies or totally embellished to make him look bad. We are for Newt and all the “baggage” in the world will never change our minds.

[GeronL]

Obviously I like Santorum, but I was trying not to take sides.

lol

[GeronL]

“baggage” is not a liberal buzz word. Liberals never have “baggage” or “conflicts of interests”. They could drown their lovers in rivers and run prostitution rings from their homes and be guaranteed lifetime job security.

Conservatives expect more from their candidates. We don’t expect one of our guys to co-sponsor 418 bills with Nancy Pelosi (most in history by a Speaker), sit on her couch and gripe about global warming, call himself an insider, endorse Fannie and Freddie as ‘model institutions’, endorse leftwingers like Dede Scozzafava against a real conservative and be as volatile as a hand grenade-never knowing if he’s going to turn into Ross Perot and shout out about buildng moon bases, say that some illegals deserve amnesty, jobs programs for schoolkids.. who knows midnight basketball and turning algae into fuel might get his interest next.

But I suppose you will tell me that none of this happened.

[ansel12]

I agree with you.

As a history making conservative revolutionary, Gingrich has gotten the Palin treatment for a quarter century, and now some supposed conservatives tell us that he has too much “baggage”.

Not many of these young Republicans want to defend the old conservative war horse, the man who took the Reagan Revolution to the Legislative branch and forever earned the hatred of the media, the left, and the gop-e.

[Longbow1969]

I am not sure there will even be elections in 2016 should Obama win re-election

You make some valid, interesting points about conservatives needing to organize better within the Republican party, and then in closing you make it hard to take you seriously by throwing in some weird conspiracy theory about there being no elections in 2016.

Why wouldn't there be elections in 2016? What would possess you to say that? If Hussein can win outright in 2008 and 2012, why on earth would the left want to cancel elections in 2016 (assuming they could, and they really can't anyway)? We'd be 4 more years down the road to dependency and European secular socialism by then, the Democrats might even find it easier to win then.

Interesting points, just drop the black helicopter stuff.

[OrangeHoof]

Whether he has “baggage” or not, his unfavorable poll numbers top 60% which is a problem against a personally popular though not particularly competent president. Obama can even run as a “family man” against Gingrich because, for all his other flaws, there is no hint of adultery or stained blue dresses with Obama. In other words, against Newt we don’t even have the “family values” vote cleanly. Image matters in politics and Newt’s image is not pretty.

[Cindy of Nashville]

You, yourself misrepresent on behalf of your chosen candidate. Gingrich has commited himself to a long list of promises to fix what is wrong in America. But for making babies, Santorum is inarticulate and noncommittal. Everything you list about Newt you have made to sound like a bad thing on purpose, so people will not like Newt in hopes of liking Rick more. As Newt supporters we could give a better list of negatives against Rick. But we Newt supporters are not sneaky. We want action.

[ansel12]

I think that in a head to head with Obama, that Newt would always be able to run circles around Obama.

As a troubled man who became more deeply religious and converted to Catholicism, I think that Newt could carry family values better than anyone in the running, and with a born again message of hope and salvation, something that Santorum and Romney can’t do, Santorum loses the Catholic vote in every single primary vote, even as an incumbent Senator, Santorum only won 42% of the Catholic vote.

My hope is that the fallen man who chose Catholicism could reach out to American Catholics and take them from Obama, and that he would make serious inroads into the Catholic Hispanic vote.

[Cindy of Nashville]

Nothing pretty about winning a civil war either.

[onyx]

NEWT GINGRICH "SLAYS" David Gregory On The Contraception Issue
Video of Entire Interview

GO NEWT!

[GeronL]

As Newt supporters we could give a better list of negatives against Rick. But we Newt supporters are not sneaky.

Nah, you just go on threads that are about something else and bash Santorum.

[Cindy of Nashville]

Didn’t know this was private. Your welcome on any pro Newt post to say your piece.

[GeronL]

I think there is a lot to like about Newt but to try and deny that there is baggage is pushing credulity.

[Cindy of Nashville]

There is a lot to like about Santorum too. But Obama would cream him in the general election. It is so obvious when you see the difference between Newt and Rick when handling the liberal media.

[Patton@Bastogne]

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GeronL ...


I'll wade into this ... Little Ricky Sweater Supporter ...


Let's leave "off-the-table" the political loser that Little Ricky Santorum is ... who ... without RU.S.h Limbaugh's daily-weekly "CPR Foot-in-Mouth Interventions" ... and Ricky wouldn't have accomplished squat in this 2012 Primary Cycle ...


And let's conveniently leave-off-the-table Little Ricky’s "impressive" list of Legislative Accomplishments ...

You know, the kind that Historians are still writing about 30 years later ...

Thirty years from now, Little Ricky will be BEST (forcefully) remembered as a genuinely "nice man" who wife instructed him to wear "nice sweaters" at the Presidential Debates ... who faded from history after (bitterly) accepting the Attorney General Cabinet position offered by President Newt Gingrich ...


Apologies. I digress ...


Let's take a look at your "hit list" against Newt Gingrich ...



1) Co-Sponsored 418 bills in the U.S. House with Nancy Pelosi ...


Newt Gingrich was elected to the U.S. House in 1978, served until 1995 ... served 17 years.

Nancy Pelosi was first elected in 1987 ...

So Newt Gingrich and Nancy Pelosi served concurrently for eight (8) years ...

That means that they co-sponsored and average of 52.25 bills for every year that they served together in Congress.

Do you have that "entire" list of legislative bills ?

Bubba ... If you knew "anything" about Congressional or even state-level legislation ...

There are scores of funding operations that cross the gamut from Toilet Paper at the National Parks to the purchase of F-22 Raptors and Balanced Budget Amendments ...



Newt Gingrich (while in the U.S. House) "forced" ... again ... "compelled and forced" LIBERAL Bill Clinton to:

1) ENACT "historic" Federal Welfare Reform

2) ENACT four (4) CONSECUTIVE Balanced Federal Budgets

3) ENACT "historic" tax-cuts ...


And those are just a few ...



Now ... Bubba Henry ... do you possibly SUPPOSE ... while sitting in your rocking chair ... wearing your own comfortable Little Ricky Santorum Abercrombie-Finch "Soccer-Mommy Sweater" ...

that Newt Gingrich's "historic" (very long) list of Conservative Legislative victories ...

required just a teeny-weenie bit of ... gasp ... NEGOTIATION with ... gasp ... Democrats ???

Well, Bubba ... it did take negotiations ... And like being married ... you learn to pick-your-battles ... and FOCUS on the KEY OBJECTIVES ...

Hence, I'm not surprised that Newt Gingrich artfully co-sponsored 418 bills with "Major Democratic Leader" Nancy Pelosi ...

to get Historic Congressional legislation PASSED ...

and THEN signed into LAW by President Bill Clinton.



How many "historic" pieces of Congressional Legislation has Little Ricky Santorum SPONSORED, and had ENACTED into LAW by a sitting U.S. President ?

Precious few. Actually "none" (Zero) as I know of ...

Actually ... isn't that the SAME as Barack Obama's list of "historic" legislative accomplishments as a U.S. Senator ?

Gee Wiz ... I NEVER looked at it that way ...




2) Newt Gingrich has referred to himself as a "Political Insider" ...


I guess if Newt's referring to the number of times that he's:


A) Sat "inside" at a table with President Ronald Reagan, developing SUCCESSFUL Conservative legislative strategy ... YES

B) Sat "inside" at a table with President Bill Clinton, enacting SUCCESSFUL "historic" Conservative legislation ... YES

C) Sat "inside" at a table with leading Democratic Party Opposition (Nancy Pelosi, et al), negotiating for SUCCESSFUL "historic" Conservative legislation ... YES

D) Sat "inside" at a table at for CIA-NSA-Pentagon "National Security Briefings" because House Speaker Newt Gingich was THIRD in line to succeed the President ... YES

E) Sat "inside" at a table for TWENTY (20) YEARS at the Joint Flag Officer Warfighting Course giving (invited) Guest Lectures to the U.S. Army's best officers, where he is the longest-serving teacher of the Joint Flag Officer Warfighting Course... YES

F) Sat "inside" at a table with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ADVISING THEM TO STOP THE HOUSING MORTAGE DEBACLE ... YES

G) Sat "inside" at a table with U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, where Newt Gingrich informally advised him on strategic issues, on issues including the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and encouraging the Pentagon to not "yield" foreign policy influence to the State Department and National Security ... YES

H) Sat "inside" at a table with Three-Hundred-Plus "Conservative" U.S. House Candidates ... every two years ... for almost a DECADE ... trying to get CONSERVATIVES elected to the Congress ... YES



Again ... Bubba Henry ... I really wish that the Boy Wonder had as much "successful" CONSERVATIVE "inside time" as Newt Gingrich ...

You know, with ALL that extra "political battle-field" experience that Little Ricky "needs desperately", then maybe he won't be saying something STUPID each and every week to the Liberal Media ...


And again ... I bet that Little Ricky Santorum has just about as much historic "inside-time" experience with REAL political GIANTS like Reagan, Clinton, Reed, Pelosi ... as "Barack Hussein Obama" ...

Actually ... isn't that the SAME as Barack Obama's list of "historic" legislative accomplishments as a U.S. Senator ?

Gee Wiz ... again ...I NEVER looked at it that way ...




3) Newt Gingrich's 2009 Endorsement of Dede Scozzafava ...


Dede Scozzafava was a mixed-bag when she decided for run for Congress in 2009 ...

To summarize ... Not only did Newt Gingrich (possibly) make an "endorsement mistake" with Dede Scozzafava, but SO DID Congressman Peter King (conservative leader for Clinton's impeachment), and ALSO the National Rifle Association (NRA)

who "also"endorsed Dede Scozzafava.



Should Newt have endorsed Doug Hoffman ? Maybe. Maybe Not.

What if Newt had (confidential) information about Doug Hoffman that both Newt and Conservative Congressman Peter King thought disqualified Doug Hoffman from actually winning ?

Newt's NOT stupid ... and for some reason (that he may not be at liberty to publicly discuss) Newt thought Doug Hoffman a serious liability.

Were Newt Gingrich, Peter King and the NRA "wrong" in endorsing Dede Scozzafava ?

Only long-term history will answer that question ...

However, WHY would Newt Gingrich work for 17 years to get GENUINE CONSERVATIVES elected to Congress, and then foolishly throw Doug Hoffman "under the buss" ?

Frankly, at our "level" ... most people will probably never know ...




4) Newt Gingrich's "Shout-Out" about a Manned Lunar Colony ...


Where do I begin, Sunshine ?


First, as a Senior Aerospace Mechanical Engineer, who worked on the U.S. Space Shuttle program for five (5) years ...

I "absolutely" know that Newt's Manned Lunar Colony is TECHNICALLY feasible ...

America needs a New Vision ... distinctly different from the Luddite Moslem-Butt-Kissers (Obama, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum) ...

You know ... (are you old enough ?) ... about JFK's "American Man on the Moon by the End of This Decade" speech ?

Free Republic ... and your cellphone ... exist "in part" today as a DIRECT RESULT of America's technological VISION way back in 1961 ...

How about we try it again ... and SEE WHAT WONDERS arise then ...




5) Newt Gingrich and his being "Scientificly Scammed" about Anthropogenic (Man Made) Global Warming ...


Anthropogenic (Man Made) Global Warming is a crock ...

Designed by Socialists and Wanna-Be "Nobel Prize" winners who desire face-time on the cover Newsweek Magazine ...

The Global Warming Prevention Act of 1989 (H.R. 1078) had 144 co-sponsors, with 25 Republican co-sponsors including Speaker Newt Gingrich.

The bill never even made it out of Committee.


In an e-mail statement to CNSNews.com, Gingrich’s deputy press secretary, Michelle Selesky, said the former Speaker opposes an international agreement on population growth because “this would be a dangerous violation of sovereignty, and Speaker Gingrich would steadfastly oppose any international efforts to dictate or control population growth in sovereign states.”

Furthermore, “Newt supported a very limited aspect of the 1989 bill that promoted hydrogen energy research,” said Selesky. “This is consistent with his long support of aggressively developing American sources of energy, including American oil, natural gas, coal, and alternatives.”


GeronL ... way back in 1989 ... Man-Made Global Warming had just appeared on the Political Scene ...

And it was endorsed and PROMOTED by Scientists that people "actually" trusted "back then".

"Anthropogenic Global Warming" ... WOW ... what a fancy name ...

Who SUSPECTED that the British "University of East Anglia" scientists were FAKING the CLIMATE DATA and resulting ANALYSIS ?

Honestly, from a historical perspective ... this MASSIVE SCIENTIFIC FRAUD was unprecedented ...

It's only been in the last few years that a TRUTHFUL MINORITY of Scientists have told the TRUTH about this nonsense ...

So, GeronL ... "what's my Point ?" especially as it pertains to Newt Gingrich ?



How could Newt Gingrich (way back in 1989) known that this was a SCIENTIFIC FARCE ?

Did "you" (GeronL) have access to the "truth" about Anthropogenic (Man Made) Global Warming in 1989 ?

And even if you did, would ANYONE in the Media actually listened to you ?

Nope. Dittos for me too.



So how can ANYONE properly blame Newt Gingrich being SCAMMED by Scientists in 1989 (with false data) ... when we all were too ?




6) Jobs Programs for School Kids ...


GeronL ... What's wrong with Grade-School Kids earning $ 25 each week (NOT selling drugs) to help teach them the great "American Work Ethic" ?


Tell us, are you just a "stealth" Mitt Romney Bott ... or just a Liberal Welfare Pimp ?







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[GeronL]

lol

First of all, the Original post had nothing to do with the Newt-Santorum crap that gets spewed on FR and elsewhere.

I was proposing what should have happened last summer.

[Vigilanteman]

Santorum is running as Mr. Rogers, he wants to be your neighbor.

I like Rick Santorum. I plan to vote for him. Because, despite his flaws on a handful of conservative issues relative to Newt Gingrich, he gets it on immigration issues. Newt does not. In fact, he scores worse than Romney.

That being said, this is a very funny line. Mr. Rogers is actually from the neighboring county to Rick. But the persona is similar right down to the sweaters. Only Fred Rogers has sleeves.

[GeronL]

I like Rick too!