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Mormons call on Santorum to denounce Honorary Florida Chairman
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/13/12 | Ben Barrack

Posted on 03/13/2012 7:57:54 AM PDT by Ben Barrack

Salt Lake City, UT (PRWEB) March 13, 2012

MormonVoices today called on Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum to condemn the anti-Mormon comments made by his supporter, and honorary Florida Chairman, Reverend O'Neal Dozier. The New York Daily News and multiple other media outlets have reported that Dozier proclaimed that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as the Mormon Church, is racist and said that the Church "is prejudiced against Blacks, Jews and the Native American Indians." He therefore demanded that Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney publicly "renounce his racist Mormon Religion." He claims that in so doing, he hopes "to foster and maintain good race relations here in America."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/03/13/prweb9277008.DTL

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KEYWORDS: christianity; mittromney; mormonism; onealdozier
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Here is the text of the initial press release sent out by O'Neal Dozier on March 9th that prompted the aforementioned Mormon response:

You are invited to attend a new/press conference on Monday, March 12, 2012 at 11:00a.m. at The Worldwide Christian Center Church, located at 450 North Powerline Road, Pompano Beach, Florida, 33069. The purpose of the news/press conference is to publicly ask Republican Presidential Candidate, Mitt Romney to openly renounce his racist Mormon religion. We believe that this will help to foster and maintain good race relations here in America. Gov. Mitt Romney is not a casual Mormon Church attendee. His position in the Mormon Church is higher than a Bishop. He holds the position of a “stake” which presides over twelve (12) Mormon churches. Yes, Gov. Mitt Romney is one of the heads of the Mormon Church. The following are just a few of the numerous racist teachings of the Mormon Church:

The Mormon religion is prejudiced against Blacks, Jews and the Native American Indians. These allegations are substantiated and validated by the writings of the former Prophets and Seers of the Mormon Church. The Mormon Church says that the Book of Mormon is “the most correct book, even more correct than the Bible.” The Book of Mormon in 2nd Nephi, Chapters 5:21-23 accuses God of cursing African people and causing them to have black skin in order for them not to be attractive to white people. These verses also accuse God of causing the black African people to be disgusting and detestable to white people. Furthermore, these verses accuse God of being against inter-racial marriages between blacks and whites. The Mormon Prophet, Brigham Young in the (Mormon) Journal of Discourses further degrades black African people by saying that they are uncultured, unattractive, unpleasant, low-life, wild and unintelligent. Prophet Brigham Young further states that “if the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain (black person) the penalty under the Law of God is death on the spot.” Also, according to Mormon Doctrine, Native American Indians were also of the class of the cursed because their skin was also a darker color. Both Alma 3:6 and Mormon 5:15 of the Book of Mormon degrade the Lamanites, which are the Native American Indians in the same way they do black African people. The Mormon Church is also prejudiced against the Jews. In the (Mormon) Journal of Discourses, the Mormon Prophet, Brigham Young railed against the Jews in a very hateful way when he said, “I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites (Native American Indians), than to convert one of those poor miserable creatures (Jews) whose fathers killed the Savior… yes, I would rather undertake to CONVERT THE DEVIL HIMSELF, if it were possible… I would say, leave them and come home, the Lord does not require you to stay there, for they must suffer and be damned…leave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance…they take pleasure in their wickedness… (Mormon Journal of Discourses).

Also, it is newsworthy to mention that the Mormon Church has a bizarre Mormon practice that involves posthumously baptizing Non-Mormons by proxy. According to Helen Radkey, a former Mormon, both Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy were baptized at Mormonism’s ground zero-Utah in 1993 and 2008 respectively. -In fact, Radkey reported that the Mormon Church attempted to conceal the Hitler baptism. Helen Radkey also claims that the Mormon Church has posthumously baptized Holocaust victims, serial killers, 9/11 hijackers, Muslim terrorists, etc.

Because of the aforementioned facts, we believe that a Romney Presidential nomination for the Republican Party would widen the racial divide to a point of no return, because the Republican Party would be viewed as a racist political party. Romney’s nomination would cause the erroneous view that has long existed in the minds of black people, that the Republican Party is prejudice to become a reality. Also, if Romney gets the nomination, President Obama’s super pacs will educate the American people about his racist religion and he will probably lose to Obama.

Please come out and be on time. We will start promptly at 11:00am. If further information is needed, please feel free to call me at (754)366-3392 or (954)987-2020. Please circulate within your circle.

1 posted on 03/13/2012 7:58:06 AM PDT by Ben Barrack
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To: Ben Barrack

Rick Santorum is Roman Catholic, he has no ties to this man or his organization. It would be more appropriate to ask Newt Gingrich or Barack Obama to renounce the man, than to ask Rick Santorum.


2 posted on 03/13/2012 8:02:33 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Ben Barrack

And your thoughts?


3 posted on 03/13/2012 8:03:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ben Barrack
Rve. Dozier is only speaking truth, why should he be fired. Romney instead should explain his belief.

I remember Franklin Graham apologizing for his statements about ISLAM.

Seems strange to me that MormonISH and Islam are the only ones that need protection from truth. Why is that?

4 posted on 03/13/2012 8:06:01 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: Ben Barrack

“prejudiced against Blacks, Jews and the Native American Indians.”

Gee, that sounds like some of my old Southern Baptist friends.

JUST KIDDING!


5 posted on 03/13/2012 8:08:11 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: Eva

I’m sorry, that was brain dead on at least two levels. At least two.


6 posted on 03/13/2012 8:08:36 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Ben Barrack

Did this pastor forget his own racist past? The Southern Baptist Convention broke away for the Northern Convention specifically to fight for and preserve slavery. His chosen “faith” was a big instigator of the KKK movement. It wasn’t until 1995 that the SBC apologized for slavery.

He who lives in glass houses... and all that.


7 posted on 03/13/2012 8:09:54 AM PDT by Allon
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To: Ben Barrack
Uh, no thanks.

NON ISSUE.

This is from one of the biggest loudmouths on this forum for RICK SANTORUM.

This election today is not about Mormonism and shame on any people that try to take it off message.

It is about a) the economy b) no-win wars c) gas prices/energy d) cultural meltdown/culture of death. In a word, FREEDOM. (And I might add, within the GOP, about RINO power over the grassroots and whether it will prevail or not.)

I'll pass on this thread (further).

8 posted on 03/13/2012 8:10:06 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If this tagline box could take FOREIGN SCRIPT fonts, Man oh Man could I have some fun!!)
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To: MindBender26

A little too close to home, isn’t it. They had better be careful how they try to play this.


9 posted on 03/13/2012 8:11:53 AM PDT by Allon
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To: Eva

Newt’s a Catholic now, too. It sounds like this pastor is a prominent Santorum supporter, so he can’t totally ignore it. I think Santorum should say, “I can’t speak for all my supporters, the pastor seems to have some theological issues with Mormonism, but I’m not a pastor contrary to popular belief, so I don’t have any grounds to comment”. The funny thing is that the pastor is not only correct, he’s black.


10 posted on 03/13/2012 8:21:52 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Vendome

I think the issue should be heavily debated. If Obama’s religion (Jeremiah Wright) is fair game, so should Romney’s be.


11 posted on 03/13/2012 8:22:01 AM PDT by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: Allon

Watch the media pick up this exact line of attack should Romney win the nomination.


12 posted on 03/13/2012 8:23:08 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Vendome

One other thing, which is what I keep coming back to... If you think this is bad, just wait until Romney’s the nominee and the liberal media starts going after him.

I can see Wolf Blitzer asking him now.... “Governor Romney, critics say....”

He will then ask Romney why the Mormon church baptized both Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler posthumously (that’s just the tip of the iceberg). Just wait.

If Romney is the nominee, the MSM will destroy him and the Republicans will have no one but themselves to blame.


13 posted on 03/13/2012 8:29:29 AM PDT by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: skeeter
I watched MSNBC last night. Actually for fair coverage, it's better to watch the more liberal outlets right now because FOX is so in the tank for Romney. The libs don't have a dog in this fight yet, so they are actually more balanced at the moment. Anyway, MSNBC brought up a piece comparing Obama’s and Romney's religions. They totally held fire on Romney, but played up Obama’s Christianity. I tell you by the time November gets here, Romney will be the apostate and Obama will be a solid Christian. They're waiting on Romney now, though. They don't want to ruin him before he gets the nomination.
14 posted on 03/13/2012 8:31:01 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: skeeter

Exactly why it needs to come out now. MSM already knows all this stuff. They’re waiting until after he’s the nominee to hit him with all of it.

CNN and MSNBC have already reported on the posthumous baptisms of Anne Frank and Daniel Pearl.

Romney is the worst possible nominee for Republicans.


15 posted on 03/13/2012 8:32:19 AM PDT by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: Eva

Santorum is the only candidate who has made this primary about religion, morality, freedom. Can’t have it both ways.


16 posted on 03/13/2012 8:34:34 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Allon
His chosen “faith” was a big instigator of the KKK movement. It wasn’t until 1995 that the SBC apologized for slavery.

Today is 2012 and mormonism has yet to apologize for its racism and racist history.

17 posted on 03/13/2012 8:38:16 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Toespi

Something else to consider when the issue of Obama’s being a Muslim comes up.

All he will have to do (if Romney is the nominee) is to point to what Mormonism’s founder said:

“I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/i-will-be-a-second-mohammed/


18 posted on 03/13/2012 8:40:40 AM PDT by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: Godzilla

You do know that Mormons were driven out of Missouri because they were against slavery, and were a large voting block. Many Many evangelical churches still have segregated congregations.

If Baptists want to take this issue on, they had better be prepared to do so.


19 posted on 03/13/2012 8:41:44 AM PDT by Allon
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To: Allon
You do know that Mormons were driven out of Missouri because they were against slavery, and were a large voting block.

That was not the only reason allon. The "Missouri War" was kicked off by Sidney Rigdon's 1838 "Salt Speech" in which he declared a "war of extermination,". Smith later made this speech into a pamphlet. Then you had the Danite band raiding the local countryside.

Many Many evangelical churches still have segregated congregations.

And just 3% of Mormons are African-American. Only one black serves in the top 105 leadership positions of the mormon church today. Yet the mormon church has refused to repent of its racist theology and history - a point you seem to want to avoid.

If Baptists want to take this issue on, they had better be prepared to do so.

Fine, at least they have officially repented of their sinful past. Where is the same from the mormon church? (crickets)

20 posted on 03/13/2012 8:51:17 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
This is from one of the biggest loudmouths on this forum for RICK SANTORUM.

This election today is not about Mormonism and shame on any people that try to take it off message.

It is about a) the economy b) no-win wars c) gas prices/energy d) cultural meltdown/culture of death. In a word, FREEDOM. (And I might add, within the GOP, about RINO power over the grassroots and whether it will prevail or not.)

A big AMEN from another loudmouth for RICK SANTORUM!

21 posted on 03/13/2012 8:51:43 AM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: Toespi
Santorum is the only candidate who has made this primary about religion, morality, freedom. Can’t have it both ways.

Grow up.

22 posted on 03/13/2012 8:54:05 AM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: Godzilla

Actually, it’s 5 percent, about 500,000 blacks worldwide who are Mormons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mormons

Unlike Baptists, Blacks have been Mormons since it’s founding, it was just a priesthood issue in till 78.

Jesus only chose men, and only from one tribe. Does that make his sexist and racist?

This is not a road taken lightly. Careful where you all step.


23 posted on 03/13/2012 9:04:14 AM PDT by Allon
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To: Ben Barrack

Rick Santorum should call on Mormons to denounce Joseph Smith!


24 posted on 03/13/2012 9:13:17 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Correct. The pastor's remarks are over the top.

But our people shouldn't be playing the same type of divide and conquer nasty politics which are the hallmark of ObaMao's plan to Balkanize America and set up his type of people as a royal class to decide how government favors are fairly distributed.

Not too many years ago, Roman Catholics were the main targets of the same type of over the top bigotry now directed at Mormons. Then sometime about the time of the Kennedy assassinations, this type of talk became very unchic and uncool, sort of like throwing around the n***** word.

Except that if you delve further into the same type of bigoted sources which hate Mormons, you'll still also find the same type of speech directed against Catholics. Only their versions of facts and criticisms will differ slightly.

It is just that it is no longer fashionable to shout anti-Catholic bigotry in the open. Mormons, of course, remain fair game and a highly fashionable target of these gutter sniping cowards because they are not potential swing voters for the left. They vote overwhelming GOP.

Candidates do need to reign in the fruit cakes in their own campaigns from time to time. This guy is no exception. Santorum's remarks need be nothing any more innocuous than:

"Pastor xxxx's remarks are entirely inappropriate and unhelpful to inject into a political campaign. My own religion has been a topic of bigotry in the past and I have no desire to engage in this sort of rhetoric against others which may not share my faith. Mormons are part of the great American fabric of freedom of religion and have contributed greatly to the conservative values which make our country great. I would welcome support from their community."

25 posted on 03/13/2012 9:17:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Ben Barrack

Seeing that Bishop Romney regularly gets at least 95% of the Mormon vote, I don’t think Rick has anything much to lose by refusing. Why should he apologize? This is nothing but a veiled attack on Rick by the Romney machine.


26 posted on 03/13/2012 9:18:29 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ForAmerica

That would be interesting!


27 posted on 03/13/2012 9:29:45 AM PDT by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: Ben Barrack

I think the issue should be heavily debated. If Obama’s religion (Jeremiah Wright) is fair game, so should Romney’s be. . . . . .

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I think the issue can be easily debated and I hope it is. Romney will probably pass on the opportunity but if they ask Romney Mormon questions then they have to ask Obama Rev. Wright question, I don’t think they want to go there.

As far as asking about baptizing dead people, first why should anybody care, they’re dead! The dead people surely don’t care unless you think there is something to what they are doing how could it possibly make a difference. They also keep a record of everybody in some granite mountain, does that offend too? The reason they baptize everybody, including horrible people, and people of other religions that want nothing to do with Mormons is that they believe that if we don’t all have a chance to go to heaven then none of us will. They believe that you have to be baptized to have a chance at going to heaven.

I don’t have a clue what most people think but the MSM talking about religion will open up a can of worms for Obama. People in this country have more respect for religion and freedom to worship than the MSM give them credit for. A lot of people have met and know Mormons, they as a rule make good neighbors even if they are different. People won’t like their good neighbors being made fun of.


28 posted on 03/13/2012 9:30:54 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Eva

We don’t need a religious war. This is kryptonite to the Republicans and they should stay away.

Let Obama make this attack on Mormonism, and he will because they have been gearing up for it. Before he died, Chris Hitchens was already attacking Romney for belonging to a racist religion. It is more divisive hate that this country doesn’t need and we will see it coming from Axelrod. I know of a lot more movements that need to be attacked that are actually dangerous to this nation and I begin with Critical Race Theory.


29 posted on 03/13/2012 9:36:25 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Allon

Frankly, LDS better be careful what they wish for.
The reality of the Mormon church will be exposed like
never before if Romney is the nominee. No punches will be
pulled by the mainstream media. Kolob, “dark and loathesome”, temple ceremonies, it will ALL come out. Everyone in America will become very familiar with the secretive cult and all it teaches ( behind closed doors, of course).


30 posted on 03/13/2012 9:41:31 AM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge

I suspect that’s why they are running all of the mormon.org ads. They see it coming.


31 posted on 03/13/2012 9:48:59 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: JAKraig
. . if they ask Romney Mormon questions then they have to ask Obama Rev. Wright question, I don’t think they want to go there.

You assume the press has to be fair, and assume the press has a conscience. Pretty naive statement.

32 posted on 03/13/2012 9:48:59 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Allon
Mormonism has a lot to be embarrassed about. If Romney is going to be the GOP nominee, Obama will have a field day and he won't even have to lie about it either....

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33 posted on 03/13/2012 9:50:35 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Bainbridge
Everyone in America will become very familiar with the secretive cult and all it teaches

Ditto! I'm old enough to remember when Mormons refused to allow blacks in positions of authority. It's a cult.

34 posted on 03/13/2012 9:52:14 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: throwback

I have often wondered how Newt could convert to the Catholic Faith with the train wreck marriages and divorces in his past, but if you are Catholic and divorce you cannot recieve sacriments? This is just a QUESTION not intended to start a flame war between the religious factions here on FR.
Thanks.


35 posted on 03/13/2012 10:04:25 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Santorum...the only Conservative in the race.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The Mormon call on Santorum to denounce this attack on Mitt Romney is what I see as brain dead. Santorum is a Catholic.


36 posted on 03/13/2012 10:09:55 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Allon

latest pew research in the US is 3%

Denied priesthood - third class mormons

Denied black teens from being leaders in lds sponsored boy scout troops. Still no repentance for mormonism historic racism. (crickets)

Jesus selected only men from one tribe - lol, mormon mythology. Jesus selected his apostles from the descendants of Abraham - which btw was chosen and under covenant with God - are you calling God sexist or racist? Jesus chose to reveal his resurrected body to women first.

Under the NT, both men and women hold a title of kingly priesthood. Under the NT, women do not rely upon their husbands for salvation. Under the NT there is no Jew or Gentile, slave or free.

Now go outside and wipe that stuff off your shoe since you didn’t watch where you stepped.


37 posted on 03/13/2012 10:22:48 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

I don’t care what the facts are concerning Mormons. A political candidate cannot make any statement regarding the religion of another candidate. This country is not a theocracy.


38 posted on 03/13/2012 10:25:35 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

So does that mean you didn’t agree with going after Jeremiah Wright in 2008?


39 posted on 03/13/2012 10:43:22 AM PDT by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: Eva
A political candidate cannot make any statement regarding the religion of another candidate. This country is not a theocracy.

No, there you are wrong. The country doesn't need to be a theocracy in order to evaluate one's religious beliefs within a political context as one's religion generally forms the basis for one's world view and provides insight into how they would govern.

40 posted on 03/13/2012 10:52:35 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Allon; Godzilla
Blacks have been Mormons since it’s founding, it was just a priesthood issue in till 78.

So, you're telling us that black women -- who aren't Mormon priests -- weren't effected by the priesthood ban pre-1978? Yes?

You're on record here saying "it was just a priesthood issue."

That would mean that there were then ZERO effects upon black women prior to 1978 re: Lds' theology, practices & policies? Right?

Your integrity is at stake here. You need to answer.

You've reduced this entire matter down to just "one solo" effect. Will you...
(a) Stand on that?
(b) Retract it & clarify?

41 posted on 03/13/2012 11:03:17 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Allon; Godzilla; Colofornian

essing from the Bigots: Black Mormons Become Slaves in Heaven

One such Mormon-”owned” slave was Jane Elizabeth Manning James—otherwise known among her Mormon friends and White overseers as “Aunt Jane.”

Aunt Jane was a faithful Black Mormon convert who worked in the household of Joseph and Emma Smith. After years of faithful belief and devotion to clean-up duty, she had the audacity to repeatedly petition the leaders of the Mormon Church to be sealed via temple endowment to her husband, but was denied her request by the Quorum of the Twelve.

Instead, she was made to settle for her White “owner,” Joseph Smith—as his slave for time and all eternity:

“The Territory of Utah gave up the practice of slavery along with the slave-holding states; however, the fact that they countenanced it when it was being practiced shows how insensitive they were to the feelings of black people. Even after the slaves were set free the Mormons continued to talk against blacks. In the year 1884, Angus M. Cannon said that ‘a colored man . . . is not capable of receiving the Priesthood, and can never reach the highest Celestial glory of the Kingdom of God.’ (’The Salt Lake Tribune,’ October 5, 1884)

“The idea that blacks were inferior and should only be servants to the whites persisted in Mormon theology. In fact, Mormon leaders seemed to feel that blacks would still be servants in heaven. On August 26, 1908, President Joseph F. Smith related that a black woman was sealed as a servant to Joseph Smith:

“’The same efforts he said had been made by Aunt Jane to receive her endowments and be sealed to her husband and have her children sealed to their parents and her appeal was made to all the Presidents from President Young down to the present First Presidency. But President Cannon conceived the idea that, under the circumstances, it would be proper to permit her to go to the temple to be adopted to the Prophet Joseph Smith as his servant and this was done. This seemed to ease her mind for a little while but did not satisfy her, and she still pleaded for her endowments.’ (’Excerpts From The Weekly Council Meetings Of The Quorum Of The Twelve Apostles,’ as printed in ‘Mormonism-Shadow or Reality?,’ p. 584).

“The idea that a black is only worthy of the position of a servant has deep roots in Mormon theology. Mark E. Petersen, . . . [former] Apostle in the church, once said that if a ‘Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory.’ (’Race Problems-As They Affect The Church,’ a speech delivered at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954).”

(Jerald and Sandra Tanner, “Changing the Anti-Black Doctrine,” Chapter 10, Part 1, in “The Changing World of Mormonism,” Utah Lighthouse Ministry, at: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech10a.htm)

Jane Elizabeth Manning James (1813-1908)—even in faith, a victim of Mormon bigotry, RIP:

“Jane Elizabeth Manning was born in Wilton, Connecticut, one of five children of Isaac and Phyllis Manning, a free black family. Although Jane was a member of the local Presbyterian Church, she remained spiritually unfulfilled until 1842 when she heard the message of a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints . . . .

“Soon afterwards she joined the Mormon Church. One year following her conversion, Jane Elizabeth and several family members who had also converted decided to move to Nauvoo, Illinois, the headquarters of the Mormon Church. After traveling by boat to Buffalo, New York, the African American Mormons, unable to pay additional fares, began an eight-hundred-mile journey by foot to Nauvoo. In Nauvoo, Jane lived and worked in the home of Joseph Smith, Jr. the founder of the LDS Church and his wife, Emma.

“Following the 1844 murder of Joseph Smith, Jr. and his brother Hyrum in Carthage, Illinois, Mormon leaders under Brigham Young decided to abandon Nauvoo and look for a safe haven in the West away from forces hostile to the LDS Church.

“In the fall of 1847, Jane, her husband Isaac James whom she married in 1841, and two sons traveled across the plains to the new home of the LDS Church in the Salt Lake Valley. They were the first free black pioneers in the Mormon settlement and Jane would spend the remaining fifty-one years of her life in Utah. They shared the hardships of their fellow Mormons and engaged in the spirit of mutual aid and cooperation that characterized LDS pioneer life.

“By the 1880s Jane became increasingly concerned about her place in the afterlife. Well aware of the LDS Church’s proscriptions that prohibited blacks from full participation in the rituals that were prerequisite to being eligible for a place in the celestial kingdom, she nonetheless argued for an exemption because of her faith.

“’Is there no blessing for me?’ she asked Church leaders for more than a decade. Those leaders refused her requests. They attempted to pacify her by authorizing her limited participation in LDS rituals.

“Through it all, Jane Manning James remained a devout Mormon and is generally recognized in LDS history for her unwavering faith. Jane Manning James died in Salt Lake City in 1908.

“A special monument to her is located in the Salt Lake City Cemetery, close to her gravesite, to commemorate her life and faith.”

(Ronald G. Coleman, “’Is There No Blessing for Me?’: Jane Elizabeth Manning James, A Mormon African American Woman,” in Quintard Taylor and Shirley Ann Moore Wilson, eds., “African American Women Confront the West,” 1600-2000 [Norman, Oklahoma: University of Oklahoma Press 2003], at: http://www.blackpast.org/?q=aaw/james-jane-elizabeth-manning-1813-1908)

Ahhhhh, how sweetly described—and deceptively presented.

That “limited participation in LDS rituals,” as it is euphemistically described above, is more fully laid out on pp. 152-157 of Coleman’s biography of “Aunt Jane.” There it is painfully detailed how, despite her faithfulness—and only because of her so-called “cursed” race—she was relentlessly denied her personal plea for access to the Mormon temple for her own family sealing endowment.

The First Presidency also rejected her request to be adopted, via temple sealing, into the family of Joseph and Emma Smith, in whose home she faithfully worked as a servant.

The First Presidency eventually, out of the kindness of their white-and-delightsome hearts, did permit her to be eternally sealed to Joseph Smith as his servant.

(Tracking note: Google search “Ronald G. Coleman Manning.” Up will come “African American Women Confront the West, 1600-2000 -Google Books Result.” Click on that and Coleman’s article will appear).

More on the patronizing treatment she received from the Mormon Church:

” . . . [H]ave you wondered why Jane walked to Nauvoo? It was because white Mormons would not allow her to ride with them or assist her in paying for passage. And once she arrived in Nauvoo the Beautiful, that ‘Zion on the Mississippi,’ she was either rebuffed or ignored by her fellow Saints, until finally someone pointed out Joseph Smith’s home to her.

“Once she finally did meet Smith, he made Jane his house servant, and when Smith was murdered in 1844, Brigham Young then took in Jane James as his servant as well. Despite her faithful service to the church and its wealthy presidents, she lived most of her life in abject poverty.

“She arrived in the new Zion of Utah among the first of the Saints in September 1847, the first free black woman in the territory, only to find that slavery was already being practiced there. Mormon Apostle Charles C. Rich owned slaves in Utah, which must have been a great trial of her faith. The only Western State or Territory to practice slavery was Utah.

“She wished to be ‘sealed’ to her loved ones for all eternity just like the white-skinned members of the congregation were allowed to be. For all of her sacrifice, the highest eternal blessing the Mormon church could offer Joseph Smith’s former house servant was to ‘seal’ her to Joseph Smith as his servant forever.

“The words recited at this ceremony were that she was ‘to be attached as a Servitor for eternity to the prophet Joseph Smith and in this capacity be connected with his family and be obedient to him in all things in the Lord as a faithful Servitor.’

“In essence, an eternal slave, bound to service a white master for eternity.”

(For more on this final above account, along with a photograph of Jane Manning, see: “Nauvoo Pageant 2007: Just Who is Jane Manning?,” in “Mormon Home Evening: Official Blog of Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach,” 17 July 2007, at: http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/2007/07/nauvoo-pageant-2007just-who-is-jane.html)

Source: exmormonforums.com


42 posted on 03/13/2012 11:28:57 AM PDT by AnTiw1 ("Where Liberty is, there is my country.")
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To: Godzilla

Ask Newt, maybe he would like to respond.


43 posted on 03/13/2012 11:45:50 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Newt hasn’t been running for Theologian of the United States.


44 posted on 03/13/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Eva

I don’t need to - you are the one who seems to have their underware in a knot regarding the issue.


45 posted on 03/13/2012 11:49:47 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Nah, I think it’s a silly issue. Santorum should not respond.


46 posted on 03/13/2012 11:51:36 AM PDT by Eva
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


48 posted on 03/13/2012 12:06:29 PM PDT by Allon
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To: Eva

That may be, but he is Chair of the Florida Santorum Campaign. Frankly, I could care less about this specific issue, but it’s stunning you would pretend not to know why they called for it. Why couldn’t you fight it with adult logic instead of pretending that Newt is NOT a Catholic and pretending this guy has no ties to Santorum.

You could do quite well on this particular argument on the merits, but you chose a route more brain dead than the original issue.


49 posted on 03/13/2012 12:06:45 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Allon; Ben Barrack
The Southern Baptist Convention broke away for the Northern Convention specifically to fight for and preserve slavery. His chosen “faith” was a big instigator of the KKK movement. It wasn’t until 1995 that the SBC apologized for slavery.

#1 the Mormon church hasn't apologized for anything...only denounce racism (as if it was mere unnamed individuals within its church...no time frame given...no holding accountable of any specific people making specific statements...pointing a nebulous fingers @ others is not repenting for anything).

#2 Please show us a specific Southern Baptist 19th century racist who claimed to be a DI-rect mouthpiece for God? Anything they uttered was a mere opinion; that can't be said for the gobs of racist passages still extant in Mormonism's D&C 134:12; the Book of Mormon, and the Pearl of Great Price. Except for 2 Nephi 30:6, which the Mormons changed for unknown reasons in 1981 (unknown reasons other than PRness), Lds can't easily scrub its racism from its "sacred" books.

[ALL: You can look @ Tennessee Nana's post re: racist phrases in the Book of Mormon -- Book of Mormon racism

Whatever 19th century Baptist sermons or calls to split you can point to that were racist in nature were never revelations from God -- nor did anybody pretend them to be.

But when you have Mormon "prophets" and "apostles" speaking, the Mormon people have ALWAYS billed them as "living/ongoing seers and revelators" from the Mormon gods.

So stop your wholesale reductionism going on in this thread, Allon. The issue here isn't the mere "opinions" of men...for men always offer up wretched opinions of one sort or another.

The issue is -- which speakers claimed to be speaking the very voice of God on this issue?

You're certainly free to quote some Baptists doing that...but I forecast "crickets" on that one...As for Mormon leadership racism...well, everybody can look here:

Curse of Cain? Racism in the Mormon Church Part Three [Martin Luther King & Malcolm X 'Mormons?']

50 posted on 03/13/2012 12:07:24 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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