Posted on 03/22/2012 6:16:37 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
Just a reminder that today at CERN in Geneva Switzerland, Francesco Celani and Yogendra Srivastava will be making a presentation entitled “Overview of Theoretical and Experimental Progress in Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR)”.
(Excerpt) Read more at e-catworld.com ...
Reminder. And to list, if you would.
Abstract of Celani’s talk:
“An overview will be given on the main progress made –since March 1989-through experimental/theoretical studies on thermal/nuclear anomalies observed in forced interactions of Hydrogen isotopes (H, D), in non-equilibrium conditions, with pure or alloyed materials (mainly Palladium, Nickel).”
“Most of the experiments used electrolytic environments at moderate temperatures (20-50°C). More recently, gas environments have been used at higher temperatures (between 200-400°C and even temperatures between 500-900°C have been employed).”
“Specific nanostructures have begun to play a crucial role both in basic studies as well as in, recently claimed, technological/industrial applications.”
“A plethora of theoretical models have been proposed to explain several experimental anomalies in LENR. A brief description of a weak interaction model shall be presented that claims to explain almost ALL of the anomalous effects found so far.”
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Very cool, eleven minutes to go by my clock.
Are you going to translate the speech so us non-physicists can understand?
Is there a way to record it or are they going to put the entire presentation, slides and audio at a link?
Cern LENR Slides and possibly video
It currently has the slides so hopefully, they'll put the video presentation there.
I didn’t catch the nickel part on the first read and thought it was only going to be about the P&F type cells but no, it looks like they’re covering everything except maybe sonofusion or did I miss something?
Wish I could. "Me experimentalist....ugh". Hopefully one of the physicists here will chime in.
I'm "just" finishing Ed Storms book, and between that book and these two presentations, "gobsmacked" is a good description of my current state of mind. With all the available evidence, how ANYBODY (after actually examining same) can conclude that CF/LENR/LANR is not "real" is, IMO, either nuts or plainly dishonest.
I certainly hope so. Unfortunately, they were "just" getting into the question and answer session when I was called away for a bladder break, and immediately following that, by "real work" at my job......so I am just back on-thread. So I probably missed the "best part".
With all the available evidence, how ANYBODY (after actually examining same) can conclude that CF/LENR/LANR is not “real” is, IMO, either nuts or plainly dishonest.
***1) They don’t read the evidence
2) They don’t understand the evidence they’re aware of, so the field suffers from a certain aversion just to even talk about it
3) They are bandwagon jumpers. No need to think through the evidence that way.
4) Basically it’s a form of mental laziness.
5) They have a distorted view of how science works. For instance, we’ve seen plenty of times that people actually believe that theory comes before implementation, which is often not the case at all.
6) They have a vested interest in a negative outcome, such as hot-fusion phycisists who bring in hundreds of $millions in research grants.
Too bad they can't withstand scrutiny when it comes to producing more energy than goes in. Lots of anomalies, self promotion, and mutual admiration doesn't make for good science.
See post #10. That applies to YOU, skeptopath. Now flap away.
Videos of the two talks at CERN are now available on-line:
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1433865
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1433866
I'll be interested in your observations.
The only part I missed was the Q&A session at the end. I'll probably get to that sometime this weekend. Most of Dr. Srivastava's stuff was over my head (my physics classes were a LONG time ago), but certainly didn't sound unreasonable based on what I do remember. It is becoming more and more obvious that "nanoscale physics" is drastically different from (for instance) "plasma physics"
Of far more interest to me was Celani's talk, which was excellent. I was pleasantly surprised not to have had a problem with his accent. I thought the revelations about the latest research (both his own and others) show that VERY rapid progress is now being made. The big news to me were his figures for his latest experiments.....1800 watts/gram of nickel!!! Wow!! It has been said elsewhere that this is a higher energy density than occurs in a fission reactor.
I look forward to seeing what comes out of the NASA "Emerging Technologies" talk that went on yesterday, especially George Miley's presentation.
This sounds like excellent news. Is there a way to compare the watts per gram energy density to say, watts per gallon of gas so I have something to compare the two?
I don't know how these presentations go, for instance, why didn't they invite Randall Mills (maybe they did or he declined), after all, he has a TOE that is downloadable from the BLP site. Were all presenters theoretical physicists or were there practical ones or both?
Thank you
Mills is "anathema" to the physics community. His theories on "hydrinos" are regarded even less real than LENR. But I think the CERN meeting was slanted to favor "non-US" physicists.
I've finally gotten through listening to the Q&A session. The Brit guy off to the left made a fool of himself. Bockris put it correctly....there are many ways to do an experiment wrong, and only a few to do it right. I think Celani made a real effort NOT to call him an idiot to his (and the audience's) face. Of course, Celani may not have been aware of the recent re-examinations of such "failed" experiments by prominent physicists, and they were found to have not been run long enough for "triggering", made other errors, or were outright fraud (MIT).
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