Do you HATE Evolution? Black Student Throws a Fit in Florida Evolution Class

Cure Socialism ^ | March 22, 2012 | Jonathon Moseley

[Moseley]

Here is evolution for you:

http://upressonline.com/2012/03/fau-student-threatens-to-kill-professor-and-classmates/ This is very sad. And it seems crazy at first.

BUT THINK ABOUT IT. It is obvious to me what is going on here. Yes, I am guessing / reading between the lines. But I think it is very clear.

The class was being taught about EVOLUTION:

A fellow classmate, Rachel Bustamante, was sitting behind Carr prior to her outburst and noticed she had been avoiding looking at the professor until 11:35 a.m. — that’s when she snapped. The classmate reported that Kajiura was discussing attraction between peacocks when Carr raised her hand to ask her question about evolution. She asked it four times, and became increasingly upset each time Kajiura’s answer failed to satisfy her.

DID YOU CATCH IT? The professor was discussing the evolutionary role of "attraction between peacocks."

In other words, how do animals / people choose a mate?

If you remember what evolution teaches, it teaches that INDIVIDUALS *MATE* BASED UPON PERCEIVED *SUPERIOR* CHARACTERISTICS for evolution.

So this Black woman Jonatha(?) Carr obviously perceives that BEING BLACK IS ASSUMED (by many) to be INFERIOR and that evolution means that men CHOOSE women based upon what is perceived to be SUPERIOR qualities.

What evolution means to Carr -- and who can blame her, logically? -- is that men are going to choose "BETTER" women than her, and she is not going to get chosen as a valuable person or desirable mate.

Hence, the discussion of how animals, like peacocks, CHOOSE A MATE based upon how they other one LOOKS.

So this Black woman is obviously perceiving that evolution means that men will choose the SUPERIOR candidate for mating and reproduction, and evolution produces "improvement" over time by men selecting SUPERIOR women -- meaning NOT HER.

Whereas Christianity teaches the value and infinite worth of E V E R Y human being in God's eyes, and that every man and woman is not only valuable just for who they are, but infinitely valuable in God's heart, evolution teaches that this Black woman is INFERIOR to other women, to be discarded and rejected in the evolutionary march toward perfection.

Buried in her thinking must be the idea that Black men (so the cliche goes, true or untrue) prefer White women over Black women. (I suspect this flows from Blacks being persecuted and wanting the affirmation of being valued by a perceied more powerful class, not because there is anything inherently superior about White women over Black women in an evolutionary sense.)

God looks over the vast diversity of human types and characteristics, and says IT IS GOOD: ALL OF IT. All of the vast differences and variety. There is no "better" or "worse" in God's eyes. There is no human being more (or less) valuable than this Black woman Carr. Everyone is equally cherished in God's heart.

Somewhere, if we can learn to follow God's plans (which unfortunately is much more difficult and mysterious than it sounds, and can be a frustrating search), God knows the PERFECT CHOICE of a man for Jonatha Carr.

NO, the man isn't perfect, any more than Miss Carr is perfect. No one is perfect. Marriage involves the strange situation of two VERY IMPERFECT human beings trying to live a life together without killing each other. Therein lies the challenge of learning to APPLY God's principles in real life. Marriage is like the "lab class" in comparison with the "class lecture." We get to put into practice during the week what God tries to teach us on Sunday.

But God says that if Miss Carr can put her trust in God's hands, there is a perfect choice of a mate for her. God doesn't move on our time table, and God can be frustrating sometimes. But in God Miss Carr lacks nothing.

However, evolution tells Miss Carr that life is a hostile, adversarial, dog-eat-dog COMPETITION in which she is necessarily going to be the LOSER because (in her mind, as she has been bombarded with negativity) being a Black woman puts her at the bottom of the list of choices.

Evolution means survival of the fittest and (she thinks) that ain't her.

Can you see now why she yells "I HATE EVOLUTION!"

The question is:

DO YOU?

DO YOU HATE EVOLUTION, TOO?

For the very same reason that Miss Carr understandably hates evolution, shouldn't we all?

Evolution is not simply an irrelevant side show for those who believe in God.

EVOLUTION IS A DIRECT AND VIOLENT ASSAULT ON THE WORTH AND DIGNITY AND SELF IDENTITY OF HUMAN BEINGS, TEARING DOWN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THEMSELVES, AND PITTING BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER AND SISTER AGAINST SISTER, IN AN UNGODLY COMPETITION. Evolution breeds violence, hatred, depression, and despair.

There is not a single human being alive whom God does not want. And there is not a single human being alive whom God wants any more than any other.

Yet evolution tells this young Black woman - and any one else who has ever, temporarily, felt inferior for a moment in time -- that she is destined to be discarded by life, that she is trash to be excluded and rejected by the world.

Do you hate evolution with a passion, yet?

[xzins]

He does not argue that her behavior is acceptable. He says that if it fits his theory of her behavior that it’s understandable why she hates evolution.

That’s a huge difference.

He does assume after presenting his explanation that it’s valid, but that’s because he was making a point. In other words, THE POINT was what the piece was about.

[allmendream]

Well then, if evolution cannot be explained EXCLUSIVELY by physical means - there must obviously be SOME physical means involved. Could you present them in a non-”Darwinist” argument for us?

Please explain to me what physical means are involved in the evolution you accept.

[allmendream]

Again as to what DNA does.

DNA has two types of basic sequences. Coding sequences and binding elements. Coding sequences have the information on how to make essential and useful molecular machines. Binding elements bind to these useful molecular machines to control when and where those machines get made.

E.coli has a gene to make a molecular machine to digest lactase: and that machine gets made when/ and only when another molecular machine detects lactose and adopts a shape where it can bind to the useful binding element upstream up the gene to make the ‘enzyme’ to digest lactose.

In that example the “marching orders” are given by a signal that detects lactose.

As to where a bacteria gets the information on how to digest lactose in the first place - bacteria can evolve their digestive enzymes to digest almost any energy rich molecule. Given a bit of time and money I could get a bacteria that previously couldn't digest lactose to ‘discover’ how to do so through natural selection of genetic variation in an environment that would select for lactose digestion.

[tacticalogic]

He does not argue that her behavior is acceptable. He says that if it fits his theory of her behavior that it’s understandable why she hates evolution.

According to the theory, she hates evolution because she perceives herself as a loser.

The argument is then made that I should also hate evolution, for the same reasons she does.

What kind of advice is that?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for those insights, dearest sister in Christ!

As you say, Sanger referred to black people as inferior. And evidently so did a number of scientists back in the day. Indeed, the linked article mentions several scientists appealing to Darwin's theory to why black people are to be seen as inferior.

[Alamo-Girl]

The Son of God is the creative Word of God — Logos Alpha and Omega — that is to say, from the Beginning to the End. Thus we have First Cause (the Beginning) and Final Cause (the Purpose for which the Beginning was made), and Immanent Cause in between.

The Creation is something that unfolds in space and time — that is, it evolves from a beginning to an end. Intervening causes are constrained or "entailed" by the Final Cause, for which the Beginning was made. Immanent Cause basically refers to the intervening "guides to the system" that were loaded into the system (so to speak) in the Beginning by God's Creative Word.

This is the causal context of the Creation, or of the Universe if you prefer. It is the context within which science (and everything else) happens.

Beautifully said, dearest sister in Christ! Thank you!

[Alamo-Girl]

You say DNA is a "molecule," a physical entity. As such, it is fully governed by chemical and physical processes. Fine. But my question is: What is it that DNA does? And where does it get its "marching orders" from to do what it does?

Indeed.

The unopened letter in my mailbox is also physical. But what makes it significant compared to everything else around it which is also physical is the message the letter contains, the language of it (encoding), the syntax. But what makes it operative is that someone sent it to me, I received it, read it and am reacting because of the message.

[Moseley]

He does not argue that her behavior is acceptable. He says that if it fits his theory of her behavior that it’s understandable why she hates evolution. According to the theory, she hates evolution because she perceives herself as a loser. The argument is then made that I should also hate evolution, for the same reasons she does. What kind of advice is that?

If you see what the message of evolution DOES to a person, you should hate it. You see the true meaning of the message reflected in the mirror of the woman who is belittled and denigrated by it. When you see how it makes her feel, how can you not hate it?

What the Black Florida student DOES with her anger is absolutely not acceptable or productive.

However, when you see what the message of evolution does to her self-esteem, how can you accept that?

Remember that this is the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT SCHOOL, one of the symbols of authority of our society for a high school student, teaching as established FACT that the men in her life will choose the most valuable women (NOT her) and discard the least valuable women (her).... but even more than that, that this is a GOOD THING that is the essence of human progress.

Here is the official school teaching that it is GOOD for Jonatha Carr to be discarded as evolutionary trash, that the entire human race is better off without her.

If you can care at all about another human being, how can you not hate the message that has that cruel effect on her?

[Moseley]

I am a Christian and I do believe in the Creative word of God AND evolution; as do millions of other Christians. I find no contradiction between God using evolution as his creative mechanism involving life, just as God uses gravity and nuclear fusion to create stars and our Sun.

Would the fact that the Hypothesis of Evolution tells people whom God loves that they are evolutionary trash to be discarded on the dustbin of history be a contradiction between God and evolution?

If God loves every human being equally, even though many reject Him and this does affect their lives, would He use an evolutionary process that says some humans are more valuable than others and some are worthless trash to be avoided, so that the human race is better off without those people?

That was the point of the post. For those who want to say that believing in God is compatible with evolution, what do you say to a child of God who is told she is worthless trash in the evolutionary scheme?

The reason that people who believe in God also believe in evolution is (1) they don't want to be criticized, whereas Jesus Christ told us we must be willing to be persecuted to "take up our cross daily" and (2) they doubt God's ability to create anything. But if God created life, it takes LESS faith to believe taht God created all the living things directly. It is harder and more complicated for God to have created life through evolution.

Favoring a God-driven evolution is an attempt to make it easier to believe that God created everything.

But it merely begs a lot of more challenging questions: Who dreamed up DNA? Who wrote the rules that DNA follows? Indeed, who wrote the laws of physics?

To point to a physical world and its rules, simply obscures the next question: WHO MADE THE RULES?

[tacticalogic]

If you see what the message of evolution DOES to a person, you should hate it.

I didn't see "evolution" do that to her. Neither did you. You speculated that it did from "reading between the lines" of a newspaper report.

[xzins]

Because, according to evolution, you are a loser.

[tacticalogic]

Because, according to evolution, you are a loser.

How's that? I have a wife, and children.

[xzins]

Only the dominant ultimately are valuable.

No reason to think a less dominant now will give rise to one. As they say, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

[xzins]

The unopened letter in my mailbox is also physical. But what makes it significant compared to everything else around it which is also physical is the message the letter contains, the language of it (encoding), the syntax. But what makes it operative is that someone sent it to me, I received it, read it and am reacting because of the message.

That is an absolutely, spot-on illustration, Sister in Christ. Thank you so much.

(BTW, I'm borrowing it.) LOL.

[tacticalogic]

If evolution falsely teaches that "being dominant" is important, why is it important to you that you win this debate?

Asserting that you should be able to tell me what I should think and feel, and what arguments I should and should not be able to make is arguably domination, and seems to be very important to you.

[MarDav]

The reality is that when people do not believe they are divinely created, there is only one way to “evolve. One likely outcome of this is to adopt behavior similar to that of the girl you see pictured in the video.

[Sirius Lee]

Okay, which ever one of you dominates the debate gets to mate with Ms. Fluke without using contraception.

[tacticalogic]

Then I’ll concede the debate to you. Have fun.

[allmendream]

That is not a fact - that is an invention of someone completely ignorant of what the theory of evolution actually teachers.

Genetic diversity is a good thing in evolution. There is not some “ideal” variation that is perfect in every situation - there are some variations that are ‘popular’ and some that are ‘unpopular’ given the circumstances.

As I said before and find myself in need of repeating because you do not actually deal with anything I say - just repeat your ignorant talking points:

If she actually knew what biology teaches about evolution she would know that Black people are doing just fine on an evolutionary basis. They have plenty of diversity and a growing population and plenty of mates to select from both within or without their own population group and plenty of people who will be ‘imprinted’ to desire her particular brand of beauty.

There is not ONE perfect woman that all men will want as a mate to the exception of all others. There is not ONE perfect man that all women will want as a mate to the exception of all others. There is not ONE perfect variation of a gene that will be selected for in every situation.

Try learning some actual science - then you might know a few facts about what evolutionary biology actually is.

[Alamo-Girl]

I'm honored you are borrowing it, dear brother in Christ! Thank you for your encouragements!