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Why Are Conservatives So Shocked At Ryan and Rubio? The Evidence Was There All Along
PolitiJim.com ^ | 3-31-2012 | PolitiJim (@politiJim)

Posted on 03/31/2012 2:12:56 PM PDT by rightjb

Like everyone else, PolitiJim heard the rumblings of the Ryan-Rubio Romney rubber stamps starting on Wednesday night.  If you’re a PolitiJim reader, and you think I was riled, rankled or upset, you need either new reading glasses or some ginkgo biloba.

I’ve had Twitter friends assume the race is all over now.  I’ve had fellow patriots speculate on whether we should quit trying to fight for Newton Leroy, and even conservative headlines this morning about the “death” of conservative movement and post mortems galore.

What are you so shocked about?

I wrote of the betrayal of Mike Ryan three times.  The first was during the Boehner budget ceiling debate when Mike Ryan and Allen West caved to the $1 Trillion defense cuts and would not “hold the line” with DeMint and Bachmann and the Tea Party 22Mike Ryan was not with us.

Second was when he let Newt squirm on the false accusations of Newt’s “social engineering” statement (that proved justified from the restult of Ryan budget plan 2.0).   A conservative committed to truth wouldn’t allow a fellow conservative who had just profusely praised his plan 3 days earlier in print and interviews to hang like that.  It was a flag to me that Ryan either had personally not taken the effort to listen to the David Gregory interview, has thin skin and a bigger ego than believed, or has an entirely other selfish agenda.   I’m LEAST likely to believe the last one.  But again, Mike Ryan was not with us.

Continued at: http://www.politijim.com/2012/03/george-washington-and-ryan-wrinkle.html

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1 posted on 03/31/2012 2:13:06 PM PDT by rightjb
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To: rightjb

Conservatives are shocked at how few of us there are, not that some Republican officials endorse liberal candidates, for that is the norm.


2 posted on 03/31/2012 2:14:48 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people have again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Theodore R.

Right after Willard loses I’m leaving the Republican party


4 posted on 03/31/2012 2:25:36 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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But again, Mike Ryan was not with us.
Whoever the hell Mike Ryan is.


5 posted on 03/31/2012 2:26:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: South Dakota

Why wait?


6 posted on 03/31/2012 2:27:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Whoever the hell Mike Ryan is.

He's good friends with Jon Rubio.

7 posted on 03/31/2012 2:32:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: humblegunner

LOL; I was just going to Ping you. But somehow, I just *knew* you’d already be here.


8 posted on 03/31/2012 2:37:04 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Whoever the hell Mike Ryan is.

Some dude who wasn't with us, duh. Pay attention.

Neither he nor Melvin Korynskyltous-Jaaven were with us.

9 posted on 03/31/2012 2:39:51 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: South Dakota

“Right after Willard loses I’m leaving the Republican party”

If he is nominated, the morning after for me. Though I will probably still get begging letters from them till the day I die, or the party does. 50/50 as to which is first.


10 posted on 03/31/2012 2:42:23 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Gov. G. Romney (R), father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: South Dakota
Right after Willard loses I’m leaving the Republican party

At least you're being realistic and not trying to hypnotize yourself into believing Romney has a chance. I'm treating this one like a mid term election and accepting the white house as a loss.
11 posted on 03/31/2012 2:42:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rightjb

This is no different from the crap we all do with in laws we don’t like or folks we work with who we don’t like. Why some folks don’t understand that the business of politics is much like other office situations in a lot of ways - decorum when you don’t really like someone being among them.


12 posted on 03/31/2012 2:43:15 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: humblegunner

First, I think we need to get to the bottom of this “Mike Ryan” guy! He sounds shifty......


13 posted on 03/31/2012 2:47:37 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: rightjb

This isn’t a RINO vs Conservative battle we have going on. It’s more like a GOP Establishment vs the people, the base, conservative grassroots, etc. Once a person enters the “establishment” realm, it seems like good people are sucked into the establishment swamp. Patriotism is dead.


14 posted on 03/31/2012 2:49:39 PM PDT by upsdriver (Newt..... stop Romney, get to a brokered convention and start a DRAFT PALIN movement!)
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To: Psalm 144

I’m not sure what will fix America. Conservatives don’t appear to have the courage to do it and “liberals” have become full on marxists.

At the end of the day, I have to ask myself if I’ll try to face my maker with excuses about the lesser evil or whether I can proudly proclaim that I chose neither.


15 posted on 03/31/2012 2:53:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I’ll take “Mike” Ryan or “Mike” Rubio over this politjim dolt any day!


16 posted on 03/31/2012 2:55:03 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: upsdriver

The GOP establishment is ruled by the same old Ivy leaguers who run the Democrat party. In the end, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between either one.

I know that Ryan didn’t go to an Ivy league school, but his wife did. That’s close enough to give him the elitist mind set.


17 posted on 03/31/2012 2:55:25 PM PDT by Eva
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
First, I think we need to get to the bottom of this “Mike Ryan” guy!

He studied under Melvin Korynskyltous-Jaaven.

Published two papers with him. Went on a cruise with Melvin's wife and took pictures of toucans and sloths.

Mike Ryan was also placed on the "No Fly" list due to some of the sloth pictures.

I thought this was common knowledge.

18 posted on 03/31/2012 2:57:42 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: rightjb

This WOULD be a spot on article except it’s PAUL Ryan.
PLEASE, guys, if you are going to make a point, get the names straight. This kind of writing, while we might know who Ryan is, looks like maybe the author isn’t quite as up on things as he is trying to say.
Yet another bullet in the left’s ammo box.
DON’T give the left a reason to mock us.
Yes, we say these betrayals coming. Lots of us said so. Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio are moving on up. They will go with the flow...and as Sarah says....”Only dead fish go with the flow.”
It’s truism we should pay closer attention to. Conservatives should not be fooled again.


19 posted on 03/31/2012 2:58:52 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: South Dakota
Right after Willard loses I’m leaving the Republican party

Make the RINOs form their own third party of warm-spit "moderates."

The Tea Party is taking over the GOP.

We have to learn from Obama and the Paultards how to hijack the caucuses, and beat them at their own game.

20 posted on 03/31/2012 3:00:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I think he’s friends with Jim Thompson.


21 posted on 03/31/2012 3:23:20 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Eva

I submit there is a difference. Romney’s heath care had an individual mandate to buy health insurance, put in by the state, which is constitutional. Obama’s had one by the fed which is unconstitutional.


22 posted on 03/31/2012 3:25:46 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: humblegunner

[I thought this was common knowledge.]

Well, of course it is! In regards to the sloth that is....


23 posted on 03/31/2012 3:28:09 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: South Dakota

No politician can change the heart of our nation. Our nation is bankrupt spiritually, financially, and culturally. The majority deny this truth or don’t comprehend it. It is immoral to pass debts, difficulties, and obligations to our children, but that is what we are doing.

If the GOP recognized the truth and made the hard decisions they would be voted out in the next election. It would take 25 years of discipline and huge cuts in government spending, entitlements, and pensions. We are not capable of that my FRiend.


24 posted on 03/31/2012 3:28:21 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Tea Party is taking over the GOP.

We need to remove the GOP leadership and the whole structure that supports them.

My congressman is a second time freshman and has hinted about the balance he needs to avoid being tossed overboard a second time. He was stripped of funds in 08 after voting against TARP and the bailouts and went on to lose to the democrat by 2% of the vote. (That in itself tells me that the GOP has no problem punishing us uppity conservatives with a democrat if need be)
25 posted on 03/31/2012 3:29:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rightjb
Pay attention to who the RINO Elites name as their 'rising stars' in the GOP. These are the same type as McCain & Romney.

Being in the Republican party dooms us to a forever list of their future candidate picks for President - if we are lucky enough to have ANY future elections at all.

26 posted on 03/31/2012 3:30:11 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: EEGator

[I think he’s friends with Jim Thompson.]

I was thinking Bill Gingrich myself.


27 posted on 03/31/2012 3:30:11 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: MestaMachine
PLEASE, guys, if you are going to make a point, get the names straight. This kind of writing, while we might know who Ryan is, looks like maybe the author isn’t quite as up on things as he is trying to say.Yet another bullet in the left’s ammo box. DON’T give the left a reason to mock us.

Actually, I think a lot of folks on the right will mock him for this. Mike Ryan? Not just once, but four different times in the same blogpost?? What that rather strongly suggest is that he's just shooting from the hip, because nobody who actually did enough reading to blast Paul Ryan fairly could possibly mess it up that badly.

Here's the truth about Ryan and Rubio -- they think it critically important to defeat Obama, believe that Romney is the inevitable nominee at this point, and so think the best way to maximize his chance of winning is to unite behind him now.

They may be wrong about that, but that isn't an inherently immoral or corrupt position. It's a pragmatic one of making the best of a bad set of options. And if we're going turn on guys like Ryan, who pushed the most bold conservative economic plan in at least a decade, there's no hope for us. We might as well form the circular firing squad right now, and cede the Presidency, House, and Senate to the Democrats.

28 posted on 03/31/2012 3:36:46 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: volunbeer
No politician can change the heart of our nation. Our nation is bankrupt spiritually, financially, and culturally. The majority deny this truth or don’t comprehend it. It is immoral to pass debts, difficulties, and obligations to our children, but that is what we are doing.

Absolutely true. We can't expect Washington to be ethical and honest if we aren't that way ourselves. Every single day I see conservatives complain about liberals only to turn right around and behave the same way themselves.
29 posted on 03/31/2012 3:38:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: donmeaker

Obviously, the state mandate is even more dangerous than the federal mandate because it IS constitutional.

I am betting that Obama is counting on Romney winning the GOP primary so that Obama can call for states to enact their own state mandate to back up the federal health care law, and I’m betting that Obama wants Romney to clinch the nomination before the Supreme court rules that the federal mandate is unconstitutional and throws out the whole law.

If Obama gets to keep the Obamacare, minus the federal mandate and calls for the states to enact their own mandates, Obama will have a real chance at winning re-election.


30 posted on 03/31/2012 3:40:56 PM PDT by Eva
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To: rightjb

If you are going out on a high horse please make sure the horse is the only one high.


31 posted on 03/31/2012 3:45:26 PM PDT by dforest
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To: rightjb

Rubio denounced the Tea Party as soon as he got to DC. He opposed Arizona illegal immigrant law. Ryan wanted to use the Tea Party to cut social security, but other that, he’s had nothing to do with the TP.

None of them are concerned with the restoring the consitution by axing departments and returning functoins to states.


32 posted on 03/31/2012 3:51:48 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Obama vs. Romney - a communist or a fascist.

Not much of a choice for a conservative!


33 posted on 03/31/2012 3:59:06 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: rightjb
Who is this Mike Ryan of whom he speaks?
34 posted on 03/31/2012 4:27:35 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: volunbeer

I would dearly love to disagree with you, but you are correct. That is why I anticipate the Soviet style collapse of the US gov at some point in this century. It is rotted, getting worse, and no one will effect the repairs. Eventually it will collapse. Fini.


35 posted on 03/31/2012 5:07:24 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Gov. G. Romney (R), father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: SatinDoll

I think actually a syndicalist versus a corporatist, but yeah.

Hemlock or cyanide.


36 posted on 03/31/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Gov. G. Romney (R), father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

It’s Paul , he just slipped up. I appreciated the content of his opinion piece.


37 posted on 03/31/2012 5:26:45 PM PDT by maranatha (Pray always for our military and their families)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I might go along with Paul Ryan being ‘pragmatic’. But Rubio was bought and paid for by romney early on. There is nothing pragmatic about it.


38 posted on 03/31/2012 5:44:29 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Paul’s evil twin?


39 posted on 03/31/2012 6:03:16 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: South Dakota

To go where?


40 posted on 03/31/2012 6:10:37 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: humblegunner

LOL!


41 posted on 03/31/2012 6:40:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Zhang Fei

And wasn’t Reggie Bush formerly the President of the great state of Florida? :’D


42 posted on 03/31/2012 6:41:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: South Dakota

Nothing about the GOP shocks me anymore. It disappoints and disgusts me but it does not shock me.


43 posted on 03/31/2012 6:58:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: South Dakota
leave now..you're not needed
you demand 100% or nothing..stay home I will pick up your slack...taking voters to the polls...75 and going strong!
44 posted on 03/31/2012 7:30:21 PM PDT by southphilly (All States should be right to work States)
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To: Eva

I don’t see a state mandate as more dangerous. States can’t print money, so there is no risk of inflation distorting the economy from a state health care program. Of course if a state begins to oppress, people can trot across the border, as blacks did in response to FDR’s programs to deny sharecroppers jobs, and as people are doing in response to California taxes and joblessness. The natural competition between states should help state politicians steer their course, or at least help people steer clear of the more corrupt sort of politician.


45 posted on 04/01/2012 12:29:18 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: southphilly

Actually I am needed but I have been taken for granted. The republicans have become republicrats and they whine but they do nothing.

We continue to support them and they continue to lie to us


46 posted on 04/01/2012 4:56:22 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: donmeaker

The state mandate is more dangerous because it is legal and it brings the same amount of government intrusion into our daily lives.

Inflation is not the biggest threat of a state healthcare system. When the government takes over the 1/5 of the economy and places all those working in that 1/5 of the economy into the SEIU, giving them special benefits, not afforded to the rest of us, what do you think will happen.

That’s the goal of the state/federal partnership in healthcare, unionization of one fifth of the work force. Then add in the fact that they want to combine all the first responders into one federalized union and we get a police state all under the guise of “health care”.

The unconstitutionality of the federal mandate is an excuse for repealing the act, not the real reason. That is why Rick Santorum is the only candidate that has real creditability on repealing it.

You obviously have not read any of the bill or any of the articles about what was in the bill. It’s another form of redistribution, away from suburban Whites, to inner city minorities, away from seniors to youth. The motto of the government health care will be, “Aim for mediocrity,” it’s only fair.

You won’t have access to the best technology, if there is older technology which might suffice, like an x-ray vs a panograph, or even an MRI. You won’t have access to the newest cancer drugs if your prognosis is simply to prolong your life, not cure you, no matter how young you are, unless you are a member of a traditionally under-served minority, that is, and then there are special boards set up to make sure that you get whatever treatment is available. ...but you will get end of life counseling.


47 posted on 04/01/2012 8:12:30 AM PDT by Eva
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To: South Dakota

From a Machiavellian perspective, since view have a one party system now, should we now infiltrate the democrats? Just a thought...


48 posted on 04/01/2012 8:20:25 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker

People with good jobs cannot just pick up and move to another state. It’s not that simple.

We’ve been living in WA state for more than 20 years because we were transferred here.


49 posted on 04/01/2012 9:40:26 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

I read a bunch on the health care law.

Emergency rooms currently have a requirement to take care of everyone who shows up at their door.

Options are:
1 Federal repeal of that mandate.
2 Enslave healthcare workers by forcing them to work without pay.
3 Enslave people with insurance by jacking up their rates to pay for people without insurance.
4 Jack up tax rates to permit government to subsidize emergency rooms.
5 Have all emergency rooms go out of business.
6 Require insurance, or a penalty large enough to cover the cost of compensating for care for those without insurance.
Until 1 happens, 6 may be necessary to prevent 2, 3, 4, and 5.


50 posted on 04/01/2012 10:44:25 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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