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Open Letter to Sarah Palin, Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party
vanity | 4/16/2012 | mongrel

Posted on 04/16/2012 7:25:14 AM PDT by mongrel

I would appeal to Sarah Palin, Gary Johnson, and the Libertarian Party to make Sarah Palin the candidate for President at the Libertarian Party convention next month.

The Libertarian Party has never has a candidate that had a viable chance of winning. There is no reason to think that it will be different this year with Gary Johnson. Palin, however, has been vetted and would draw together a coalition of disenfranchised voters that would put her over the top above Romney and Obama. Romney has zero enthusiasm and hardly any group that could be considered his base. Only 25% of the country identifies as liberal and that is Obama's base. That leaves 40% enthusiastic conservatives as Palin's base which would join libertarians and Reagan Democrats to put her over the top. Palin's three groups of supporters would be enthusiastic, have great turnout, and get the mushy middle to join them. It would be the anti-establishment "cool" choice, rejecting the media and both "mainstream" political parties.

Gary Johnson would have a place in history as a king-maker rather than in a long list of forgettable 3rd party candidates. This coalition would pull together the core of what this country needs right now, a check on government power and corruption.

Palin is not the perfect fit for the Libertarian Party, but would provide significant support and movement for many of their goals. Neither Obama or Romney do that.

After the election, the establishment in both parties would be embarrassed and destroyed. The mainstream media would also take a significant hit. The conservative movement would have several potential moves to shape the future, with a great leader as the voice of that movement. A President Palin could keep the movement together to either take over the GOP, bring the Conservative Party to national prominence, or to continue with a coalition within the Libertarian Party. The GOP-E sunk to new lows this year in their disempowerment of rank and file voters this year and the voters will remember that when they reject Romney and vote for Palin.

I suggest the Libertarian Party because they are the 3rd party that has the best chance of getting a candidate on the ballot in all 50 states at this late date. They are the party that has some history and ties to Palin. Perhaps other conservative 3rd parties could make the same move and put Palin on their ballot also.

Palin has some history of social conservatism which is not a part of the Libertarian Party platform. However, at this point in history most social conservative issues are more about keeping government activism in check rather than imposing new restrictions. Libertarians do not support activist judges and government spending and social conservatives are fighting their wars on these same front lines.

This has the potential to be the disruption we are looking for.

I think winning is the easy part. The two challenges will be whether Palin would be willing to risk alienating the GOP-E in making the run. Secondly, is the Libertarian Party willing to set aside some of their pursuit of ideological purity to form a coalition with others.

A 3rd party run puts Palin's strengths front and center. She fought corruption and big government in Alaska and won. She would have a majority of voters nationwide that care about the same things and would rally behind her.

Taking the presidency in this way, along with strong conservative wins in Congress would provide Palin with the support she needs in both houses to enact legislation to draw down the debt, repeal Obamacare and roll back the Obama regulations.


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What do you all think, is it time to take a big risk and create the perfect storm? If yes, what does it take to make this happen? The Libertarian Party convention is in early May.
1 posted on 04/16/2012 7:25:25 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: mongrel

As much as I like Palin and would relish her being POTUS, her chances are no better than Romney’s chances at beating Obama. I would argue that they’re significantly worse. The result would be splitting the ticket and we’d get a guaranteed 4-more years of Obama.


2 posted on 04/16/2012 7:29:53 AM PDT by trackman
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To: onyx

Can you ping the Sarah Palin ping list?


3 posted on 04/16/2012 7:30:06 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: trackman

I think you overestimate the number in Obama’s base and underestimate the number of Democrat voters who are also tired of Obama.


4 posted on 04/16/2012 7:32:13 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: mongrel

You want that she should commit political suicide?


5 posted on 04/16/2012 7:32:13 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: mongrel

The MSM would ignore her and she would never be heard from again.


6 posted on 04/16/2012 7:32:56 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: mongrel

Fortunately this will never happen - as much as I’d love to have Sarah for POTUS.


7 posted on 04/16/2012 7:34:18 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Texas Eagle

It’s a huge gamble, but the GOP-E has already declared war and the Tea Party isn’t fighting back.

It could be suicide for her, but it’s also a great shot at winning. Desperate times call for desperate measures.


8 posted on 04/16/2012 7:34:51 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: Kirkwood

And yet, people were saying back in September that she would have a huge swell of support from the ground were she to decide to run.

MSM is losing it’s power.


9 posted on 04/16/2012 7:36:57 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: Texas Eagle

At least she’d get a few more votes than Roseanne.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75161.html

>>Since formally launching her bid in early February, Barr raised just $31,500 through March 31, federal disclosures out today show...Just one person — Eric Weinrib of Brooklyn, N.Y., who gave $2,500 and listed his occupation as “unemployed” — made a cash donation of more than the itemized reporting threshold of $200.


10 posted on 04/16/2012 7:37:31 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: trackman

Obama and Romney are exactly the same.

The only chance of changing anything is to have Palin on the ticket. It would also be very nice if we could get the Gingrich “international 2nd amendment” going, somehow.

It’s very late. If we do not see radical change now, the world will finally see global fascism with no opposition.


11 posted on 04/16/2012 7:38:10 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: mongrel

Absolutely guaranteed to insure Obama’s re-election.


12 posted on 04/16/2012 7:39:05 AM PDT by monocle
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To: mongrel

I think she is too smart to accept such a nomination.

I believe it would put Obama back in the White House for sure, but then I don’t believe Romney can beat Obama either.Romney is going to stink like week old crab shells when the DNC actually opens up on him.

It sure would cause a stink and perhaps open the eyes of the Republican leadership. Wait —wait.
Nothing will open their eyes. If 3 losers in a row who they picked because it was their turn doesn’t do it, nothing will

If the Republicans are lucky enough to take both houses and then pick Boehner and McConnell to run them we may as well close up shop.


13 posted on 04/16/2012 7:39:32 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: mongrel
No.

On the issues of abortion, gay rights, drugs, illegal immigration, national defense and prostitution, Sarah Palin and the Libertarians are poles apart. If Palin has hopes of ever gaining national office, running as a libertarian would be the most foolish thing she could do.

14 posted on 04/16/2012 7:39:44 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: mongrel

She could run... but forming a NEW party. Running as a Libertarian would not be a good idea.


15 posted on 04/16/2012 7:40:23 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: mongrel
Palin is not the perfect fit for the Libertarian Party

Very true - would she join a party whose main platform plank is "smoke free dope"?

16 posted on 04/16/2012 7:41:45 AM PDT by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: mongrel

I see your point, but if the Libertarian Party was okay with an ‘imperfect’ candidate they would just vote for a two-party candidate that leaned closest to their views. No. Ideological purity is their rallying cry, and why they won’t ask Palin or a Palin-like candidate to run just for the press.


17 posted on 04/16/2012 7:42:04 AM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: monocle

We are in a different time than in June of 1992, but look at Ross Perot’s numbers. He polled at 39% at that time to Bush’s 31% and Clinton’s 25%.

Palin is in better position for many reasons. Obama is a known extremist unlike Clinton’s perceived centrism. Romney and the GOP-E have alienated up to half the Republican Party. And Perot lost his lead when he showed he was moon-bat crazy and flamed out. Palin has already been vetted, there’s nothing more to throw at her.


18 posted on 04/16/2012 7:45:34 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: mongrel

I’d think Newt would be a better fit to go Rogue this election. And why not the conservative party.


19 posted on 04/16/2012 7:46:51 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't go wobbly on me now Newt. You're our only hope.)
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To: monocle
Absolutely guaranteed to insure Obama’s re-election.

Romney as candidate - yes, that absolutely guarantees Obammny wins. No true Conservative is going to vote for either one. You can act like a battered wife and continue to get slapped around by the GOPe, or you can fight FOR Conservatism. It is becoming ever more apparent that the GOP is no longer a natural home for Conservatives, so good luck to all the Olympia Snowe wannabees and their 21st Century Whig Party.

20 posted on 04/16/2012 7:47:20 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: mongrel

The Libertarian party is for clowns and carnies.


21 posted on 04/16/2012 7:48:11 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The only reason I am suggesting forming a coalition with the Libertarian Party is because they are the only path to ballot access at this late date.

The two-party system in the US has thrived because of the many comments above. If we borrowed (for this election) some of the coalition-building style of the parliamentary system, we could get the fiscal issues front and center. And the majority of the country supports that.


22 posted on 04/16/2012 7:49:15 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: mongrel

>>It’s a huge gamble, but the GOP-E has already declared war and the Tea Party isn’t fighting back.

The Tea Party officially jumped the shark last weekend when they held a Rally For The Troops. America is going to hell, the economy is in the tank, and our choice in November is Socialist vs Commmunist and they’re wasting energy on a “safe” and polite rally for a cause that everyone can agree on.

We’re going to lose in November anyway so let’s drive a stake in the heart of the lifeless GOP that rises from the grave every four years to nominate the guy who is next in line.

We need to learn the ways of Alinsky and other radicals so we can do meaningful civil disobedience. The TP is not going to be ready for next year.


23 posted on 04/16/2012 7:49:50 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: mongrel

Please describe “social conservatism” and how it differs from just plain, ordinary conservatism.


24 posted on 04/16/2012 7:51:20 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: mongrel

Perfect storm indeed!

“HOPE”....for America!


25 posted on 04/16/2012 7:51:38 AM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it can bring tears to eyes.)
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To: Sirius Lee

Are you old enough to remember 1992? It may be a cliche but the advice to divide and conquer still applies.


26 posted on 04/16/2012 7:53:01 AM PDT by monocle
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To: mongrel
It would have the same effect as Ron Paul switching. Obama would win and Paul would be be in the hinterlands forever. Palin is smarter than that. The key to getting what we want is taking OVER the Republican party. We have the social conservatives, gun owners, tax cutters, and strong defense people right now. We cannot afford to do away with any group. I grew up when Republicans were nothing. They were the Rockefeller republicans, just like Romney. All they want is a tax cut. To go to a 3rd party is suicide, IMHO.

What Newt is doing is what we need to do. I will vote for him in the Texas primary. What he will do then is go to the convention and get "planks" in the party that will at least define what the "Republicans" believe in. I know many Christians fell behind Santorum to make their point, but now he's gone. Newt is the anti-Romney now. Santorum will throw his delegates behind Romney any day now, which is fine. He has no future if he looks like a sore loser. Anyone wanting to make a point now only has Newt to vote for. Stomping your feet and going home in tears isn't a game plan. To register your complaint to the Establishment Republicans, vote for Newt.

It's going to be painful to watch Romney stammer and stutter when Obama says Romney was his inspiration for Obama Care, and they bring up his votes for abortion and gay marriage, but that is reality that we face now. Conservatives voting for libertarians will just piss off the libertarians and waste a conservative vote. Reagan didn't win his first time out. Palin can return when people figure out she can do better than the others. Newt was the opportunity this go round, but again we squander our future on morons.

27 posted on 04/16/2012 7:58:36 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Daveinyork

Ordinary conservatism is to keep historic platforms in the US in place: limited government, sodomy and abortion illegal, and a preferred place for Christian values in society.

We have common ground with libertarians on limited government.

On social conservative issues (the rest of the list), we have moved from government activism to make these historic values the norm, to government activism to punish and displace those who hold those values.

We have common ground with libertarians on not having government funding for abortions, on having freedom of practice for Christians and others, and possibly on getting government out of teaching sodomy to school children.


28 posted on 04/16/2012 7:58:36 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: mongrel

So the Libertarians should ignore thier principles and nominate someone that does not share thier values? Just to play spoiler and be left holding the bag when the Candidate then switches back to thier true party after the election?

That sounds like a real good deal to me! Maybe we can nominate Hilary Clinton! We’d get the female vote and a big part of the Dem’s to vote for her!


29 posted on 04/16/2012 7:59:23 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: mongrel
It would have the same effect as Ron Paul switching. Obama would win and Paul would be be in the hinterlands forever. Palin is smarter than that. The key to getting what we want is taking OVER the Republican party. We have the social conservatives, gun owners, tax cutters, and strong defense people right now. We cannot afford to do away with any group. I grew up when Republicans were nothing. They were the Rockefeller republicans, just like Romney. All they want is a tax cut. To go to a 3rd party is suicide, IMHO.

What Newt is doing is what we need to do. I will vote for him in the Texas primary. What he will do then is go to the convention and get "planks" in the party that will at least define what the "Republicans" believe in. I know many Christians fell behind Santorum to make their point, but now he's gone. Newt is the anti-Romney now. Santorum will throw his delegates behind Romney any day now, which is fine. He has no future if he looks like a sore loser. Anyone wanting to make a point now only has Newt to vote for. Stomping your feet and going home in tears isn't a game plan. To register your complaint to the Establishment Republicans, vote for Newt.

It's going to be painful to watch Romney stammer and stutter when Obama says Romney was his inspiration for Obama Care, and they bring up his votes for abortion and gay marriage, but that is reality that we face now. Conservatives voting for libertarians will just piss off the libertarians and waste a conservative vote. Reagan didn't win his first time out. Palin can return when people figure out she can do better than the others. Newt was the opportunity this go round, but again we squander our future on morons.

In the end, we will have Romney or Obama. I for one, can see the difference, even if only slight. Staying home or voting 3rd party doesn't work.

30 posted on 04/16/2012 8:00:38 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: monocle
Our current course of action will ensure that. The GOP has chosen to allow RINO's and Dem infiltraitors (spelling intentional) to pick the most Leftist candidate they could find. This course leads to suicide. Not just for the Party, but for the Nation.

Any other option is better than that course. The Constitution Party and the Libertarians are the only other, even remotely viable, options at this point. The TEA Party coalition getting behind a solid candidate like Sarah in either one of these established Parties could get traction.

31 posted on 04/16/2012 8:07:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Texas Eagle

You want that she should commit political suicide?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Agreed. I would vote for Palin as a Republican. If she were to go third party, I would vote for her. I may even write her in in the general.

But if she did lose her marbles and join up with the Lib Party just to garner more votes?

I’d vote for Obamney just for General Principles.


32 posted on 04/16/2012 8:08:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Daveinyork
I went to the Texas Repub Convention as a delegate, way back when Allan Keyes was running. When he got up to speak, of course he mentioned abortion and about 20% of the crowd got up to get coffee or go to the restroom. The 2 women sitting next to me said " If I wanted a sermon I would have gone to church."

That's the difference in a social conservative and a conservative. They aren't the same animal.

33 posted on 04/16/2012 8:09:12 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

> The key to getting what we want is taking OVER the
> Republican party

Exactly!

That’s how the communists took over the Democrat party and made it into the DemonRAT party.


34 posted on 04/16/2012 8:10:11 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: mongrel
I would appeal to Sarah Palin, Gary Johnson, and the Libertarian Party to make Sarah Palin the candidate for President at the Libertarian Party convention next month.

Sarah Palin is not a Libertarian. Sarah Palin is a Republican, --a powerful and influential Republican at that. As a powerful and influential Republican with a future in Republican politics, she will support whomever the party she belongs to nominates for president. She will be in Tampa during the convention and, rest assured, she will use her presence there to rally her followers to do the same.

And, rest assured, this place will have a melt down when the above occurs.

35 posted on 04/16/2012 8:13:10 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: chuckles
To register your complaint to the Establishment Republicans, vote for Newt.

Oh please, do you really think that they care about our complaints?

Establishment Lackey: "Excuse me sir, but I have ...."
Establishment Politician: "Someone registered a complaint?"
Establishment Lackey: "Yes sir."
Establishment Politician: "Okay, duly noted. Please file it in the normal place. But empty it first, it has gotten rather full lately."

36 posted on 04/16/2012 8:14:32 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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37 posted on 04/16/2012 8:17:09 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Texas Eagle
You want that she should commit political suicide?

The overall consensus on this forum right now seems to be one where every influential conservative voice needs to fall on their swords and throw the election to Obama.

Take a look at the few "Dick Cheney is now a RINO RomneyBot" threads to see how they'll all getting tossed under the bus. Sarah Palin will be joining this list shortly.

38 posted on 04/16/2012 8:18:01 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: mongrel
I would be greatly surprised - no, astounded - if Palin jumped over to the libertarian party.

I don't ever foresee a dominance with the libertarian party; I see them as liberals who want a balanced budget. Meanwhile, Sarah is a staunch conservative in every way and I don't see her changing that ideology.
39 posted on 04/16/2012 8:20:44 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: An.American.Expatriate
The #1 thing that the LP and Palin have in common is smaller, more Constitutional government. Personal responsibility is something taken deadly serious. Individual freedom trumps Nanny State.

I don't think it is nearly as much of a mismatch as you appear to think.

40 posted on 04/16/2012 8:23:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: trackman; All
"The result would be splitting the ticket and we’d get a guaranteed 4-more years of Obama."

This sentence pretty much says it all.

41 posted on 04/16/2012 8:25:06 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: FrankR
Palin is politically somewhat libertarian but personally very social conservative.

It is very, very hard to see Sarah Palin reconciling herself to a Libertarian Party that is in favor of Roe v. Wade, despite the fact that they're all Hayekians over there.

Roe v. Wade is the killer for the Losertarians. It has nothing to do with Ending the Drug War and Legalizing Prostitution, which are old Libertarian tropes. No Evangelical Christian like Palin can make that straddle.

Can't happen.

Best,

Chris

42 posted on 04/16/2012 8:26:54 AM PDT by section9
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To: Dead Corpse
I don't think it is nearly as much of a mismatch as you appear to think.

So you think it's okay to pose as something your not in order to get elected and then turn on those who supported you? The Libertarians have already tried that - didn't work out real well, so I doubt they would entertain the notion again ...

43 posted on 04/16/2012 8:28:29 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: chuckles
voting 3rd party doesn't work.

How do you know? Have you ever tried? Doing the same thing over and over like voting for a liberal like Romney doesn't work either. In fact there's a word for someone who keeps doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

The Constitution Party is a more natural fit for Palin at this point. The GOP has been taken over by surrender monkeys and cowards. Newt's the only one who seems to have any fight in him.

44 posted on 04/16/2012 8:29:29 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: mongrel

Palin definately has a distinct libertarian strain to her governance/ideology. But she additionally has a strong social-conservative strain, and a strong populist/reformer strain. Usually these particular elements don’t co-exist together very comfortably or very often, but with Palin it comes out in an amazingly seamless alliance. Which is one of the reasons I find her so exceptional. An ideal mix of conservatism, representing the best of every faction.


45 posted on 04/16/2012 8:29:57 AM PDT by greene66
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To: mongrel

I don’t think she could sign on with the Libertarian platform. There are some common interests in limited government and personal liberty, but there are other issues of family law, immigration etc. that I doubt she would sign up for. Who knows? The GOP is pushing someone to the left of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter as their standard bearer, so almost anything is possible in this mental and moral riot that is campaign 2012.


46 posted on 04/16/2012 8:35:03 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Hardraade
Obama and Romney are exactly the same

I agree that Romney is no conservative and I am deeply disappointed that he is likely to be the Republican Party nominee. But to say Romney is "exactly the same" as Obama is simply not true. Obama is openly dedicated to destroying both our Constitution and our traditional American values. Despite his many shortcomings, you cannot honestly say the same about Romney.

In this election conservatives must either:

-- Compromise our values and vote for Romney, or
-- Compromise our values and help re-elect Obama by voting for someone other than the Republican Party nominee or by not voting at all, which will result in more Americans being hurt and the Constitution continuing to be undermined.

I don't like the alternatives, but the decision is not that hard.

47 posted on 04/16/2012 8:35:29 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: mongrel; mnehring
Problem is that there are a large number of leftist Libertarians, particularly Ron Paul supporters, who can't stand Palin and have worked just as hard as Romney and Obama's minions to undermine her potential candidacy. Heck, two years ago, mnehring actually caught a bunch of them plotting at Paul's Liberty Forest forum to attack her here at FR. Once alerted, the mods' cut the exposed infiltrators down fast.

IF (and that's a big IF) she wanted to go the third party route, then I think the Constitution Party would be a much better fit for her, since the GOP-E has essentially declared war on both her and us.

Just MHO...

48 posted on 04/16/2012 8:36:00 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Sirius Lee

Agree with all of your points, but want to highlight this one:

“The Constitution Party is a more natural fit for Palin at this point.”


49 posted on 04/16/2012 8:37:48 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Sirius Lee
The Constitution Party is a more natural fit for Palin at this point.

Great minds think alike.

50 posted on 04/16/2012 8:39:09 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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