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Why Obama might have claimed he was born in Kenya
Flopping Aces ^ | 05-21-12 | DrJohn

Posted on 05/21/2012 5:07:53 PM PDT by Starman417

The issue of Barack Obama's birthplace has been simmering for a long time. It has been ridiculed by the left incessantly, as well as by some on the right. The seemingly sensible course is to deny that Obama was born anywhere else but in Hawaii, but as is typical of Obama, nothing is as it initially appears. There are questions that need answers.

Breitbart has disclosed that Obama's literary agent published a booklet that describes a young Barack Obama as being born in Kenya:

Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

The booklet, which was distributed to "business colleagues" in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

It also promotes Obama's anticipated first book, Journeys in Black and White--which Obama abandoned, later publishing Dreams from My Father instead.

All too predictably, the media immediately leaped to defend Obama, asserting this was some sort of oversight:

Barack Obama birth certificate conspiracy theorists have been foiled again.

Conservative-leaning Breitbart.com on Tuesday published a copy of a promotional booklet from Obama's former literary agency. According to a brief biography in the 1991 booklet, Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii," fueling fire to the idea that the president is not a natural-born American citizen.

As New York magazine noted, the article caused a stir in conservative circles, drawing commentary from the Drudge Report and other popular websites.

However, the woman who wrote Obama's biography in the pamphlet said Thursday that she had misidentified Obama's place of birth.

"This was nothing more than a fact-checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time," Miriam Goderich, who worked for the literary agency Acton & Dystel, told Yahoo News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

So the left would have us believe that this woman allowed this error to fester for 20 plus years. Saner heads might question why this remained uncorrected all this time. Maybe she didn't know Obama had been elected President? From where did she get the notion that Obama could have been born in Kenya?

But then another "Born in Kenya" account emerges- this one from the AP in 2004.

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


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KEYWORDS: kenya; kenyanbornmuzzie; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 05/21/2012 5:08:00 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

perhaps Obama has quietly encouraged the birthers because it served to distract from other embarrassing lies - another Elizabeth Warren indian situation.


2 posted on 05/21/2012 5:12:32 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Starman417
...since originally posting this item, I received the following statement from Paul Colford, director of media relations for the Associated Press: “The AP has never reported that President Obama was born in Kenya. In fact, AP news stories about the state of Hawaii have confirmed that he was born there. The Kenyan paper that you cite rewrote a 2004 AP story, adding the phrase ‘Kenyan-born.’ That wording was not in the AP version of the story.”

http://totalbuzz.ocregister.com/2009/10/26/obama-birthplace-lawyer-submits-suspect-document/23981/

3 posted on 05/21/2012 5:19:42 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: MrShoop
Or, Maybe He was just born there. So much evidence the guy is just hiding soooo much and has soooo much help doing it.
4 posted on 05/21/2012 5:20:07 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Starman417
Well, let's see. Obambi's grandmother said she witnessed the jackwagon's birth in Kenya. And the village put up a sign attesting to the spot where he was born.

Therefore . . . . . Obambi's grandmother is a stinking liar? I know he threw his "white" grandmother under the bus, so is this Kenyan-born fraud throwing his other grandmother under the bus?

Think about it: OBOZO'S GRANDMOTHER WITNESSED HIS BIRTH IN KENYA!

I didn't say that; his grandmother said that. Granny's a liar?

5 posted on 05/21/2012 5:29:32 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: reefdiver

I know FR is birther territory, but the likelihood there is a conspiracy that includes Obama and officials of the state of Hawaii to present a fraudulent birth certificate isn’t plausible. And while people pick at the evidence that is out there for the Hawaii birth, there isn’t any positive evidence of his birth elsewhere.


6 posted on 05/21/2012 5:30:51 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Starman417

They don’t do ‘fact-checking’ on biographies submitted by authors, they just print them.

This woman IS A LIAR


7 posted on 05/21/2012 5:34:12 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in Palin/Gingrich)
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To: MrShoop

You are not too observant, are you....

there is a bunch of evidence he was born in Kenya, and NONE that he was born in Hawaii (except what appear to be forgeries)


8 posted on 05/21/2012 5:36:27 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in Palin/Gingrich)
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To: MrShoop

Nice sarcastic swipe at ‘birthers’. Does that make you feel bigger? Saner? More intellectual? Seems to me it makes you an idiot. OK, so he’s born in Hawaii. In that case WHY wait 3 years to produce the BC, and when you do it’s a FORGERY! Why not just produce the real document from the files in Hawaii with the press there and have it reviewed by experts????????? Your contention that he was born in Hawaii is flawed and lacks any support. Exactly what you claim is lacking for a birth anywhere else!


9 posted on 05/21/2012 5:38:41 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Mr. K

Indeed, this book and this biography was specifically meant to boost Obama’s cool factor and rise to power. Once that biography became embarassing, Obama was put back in the closet about his true birth, or whatever.

Obama is running on a ticket that includes that biography. It is like de facto pledging allegiance to another country while running for president, and it is much much more grave and serious an offense than merely being born elsewhere.


10 posted on 05/21/2012 5:40:08 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Starman417

Because he was. Don’t be stupid. He made the claim as long as it served him, but when it started to hurt him, he dropped it. Wake up america! Be at least vigilant when it comes to the Constitution. Dump this intruder from the office of President as fast as you can. He is a phoney! Dump him!


11 posted on 05/21/2012 5:42:49 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Starman417

Because he was. Don’t be stupid. He made the claim as long as it served him, but when it started to hurt him, he dropped it. Wake up america! Be at least vigilant when it comes to the Constitution. Dump this intruder from the office of President as fast as you can. He is a phoney! Dump him!


12 posted on 05/21/2012 5:42:49 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: MrShoop

Try and sell that ambiguity to a contractor company working for the State Department and you would never get the job.

Are you even realizing what you are saying?

There is no positive IDENTITY on a man who has power over all of us.

But again, that is liberal and gay to do that, to put the head in the sand, or, worse, to enjoy seeing others go to hell without an ounce of energy into checking introspectively where one is headed.

There is a character with this mad trait, it is The Joker.


13 posted on 05/21/2012 5:44:33 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Starman417
Why Obama might have claimed he was born in Kenya

Here's a novel idea because Barack O. is from Kenya.

14 posted on 05/21/2012 5:54:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
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15 posted on 05/21/2012 5:59:25 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: MrShoop

“I know FR is birther territory,....”

The use of the term “birther” is an Alinski style tactic meant to ridicule anyone who has legimate questions about Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of POTUS.

Obama’s has always attempted to mask his lack of eligibility by saying, and I quote, “I was born here, I am a citizen.” Never mind that as a “constitutional Professor” he, of any, should know that that is not the Article II standard. The whole discussion is one big red herring intentionally put forth to muddy the waters. Obama, the Uniter, continues to fuel the “birthplace” controversy.

Obama’s birth certificate could show that he was born in, as one FReeper puts it, “the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House...” but as long as his father is continued to be listed, and acknowledged as, the Kenyan foreign citizen Barack Obama Sr. he is ineligible. I have never heard Obama claim that BO Sr was NOT his father have you?????

It’s the pink elephant that the left (and you?) want us all to ignore. Simply put Barack Obama Jr. fails to meet the Article II standard for eligibility of being a natural born citizen.

Yep there Zero is, fiddling away as you and his lacky supporters, promote firefights over the place of his birth......don’t look now, but DC is burning.......I for one am gonna put the fire out by making sure Obama is put out of the office he should have never held in November’s ballot box!

“Birther?” Nope! Constitutionalist, and proud of it.


16 posted on 05/21/2012 6:11:33 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Starman417

Obama was born in Kenya.

It is now, as it always has been, a fact.


17 posted on 05/21/2012 6:20:41 PM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

>Wake up america! Be at least vigilant when it comes to the Constitution.<

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How can you expect America to wake up when Congress is intentionally pretending to be in a coma regarding this entire eligibility affair?

A congresscritter would be the only person to get an investigation started.


18 posted on 05/21/2012 6:25:18 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Starman417

Seems to me, by rubber stamping this biography, Barack himself, wife Michelle, and grandma Sarah have all claimed that Barack / Barry / ? was born in Kenya ... and all the evidence to date indicating he was born in Hawaii has been shown to be a forgery ... and his selective service registration was faked ... and his social security number was issued to someone else ... but, no, nothing to see here ... just a "fact checking" issue. Egads.


19 posted on 05/21/2012 6:26:13 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Starman417
"There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

A real reporter would then ask, "Then how did it get on the pamphlet?", and push until they got an answer.

20 posted on 05/21/2012 6:32:08 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: Starman417

MMMMM.....’cuz he was....?? And at the time wasn’t contemplating a run for the Presidency?


21 posted on 05/21/2012 6:47:22 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Victor
Besides the fact that it's Uber-Chic to be from Kenya....unless, of course, you are thinking about a run for President of the United States.

Then it's not so chic.....

22 posted on 05/21/2012 6:51:45 PM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: so_real

You know Sasha and Melia have been told since they were children that he was born in Kenya-cause he was. I would love to know what they are thinking about their father having to say he was born in Hawaii and putting out that birth certificate when they know he wasn’t. Poor girls have a lot to bear trying to hold up Daddy’s lies.


23 posted on 05/21/2012 6:53:39 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl

Has any one checked Sasha and Melia Birth Certificate’s? ..because the father’s place of birth is usually listed


24 posted on 05/21/2012 7:10:41 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Mr. K

What evidence is there that he was born in Kenya?


25 posted on 05/21/2012 7:22:04 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: tophat9000

Has any one checked Sasha and Melia Birth Certificate’s? ..because the father’s place of birth is usually listed

Wow! Great point. If he were born in USA he could put theirs out there too for further proof.


26 posted on 05/21/2012 7:23:02 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Doc Savage
It definitely makes me feel saner...

Obama released a short form copy of his birth copy in 2008, and a copy of the original last year. You can claim they are both forgeries, but that implies a conspiracy between Obama and the State of Hawaii which is implausible. Meanwhile there isn't any specific evidence as good as the State of Hawaii documents he was born anywhere else.

27 posted on 05/21/2012 7:31:37 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Doc Savage
In all honesty Doc., what do you expect to achieve by proving Obama (Bill Ayers) is a lair? The only way to act against Obama is Impeachment and Congress would never bring a charge against him when there is no detailed statutory process to register or verify a Presidential candidate's qualifications even up to this moment. The point is moot. The only way it could matter is to set the record straight in the history books of the future. Even then, it would only be one sentence describing a crazy Constitutional oversight that allowed a fraud to become President.
28 posted on 05/21/2012 7:43:06 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: MrShoop

I know you’ve already received a number of replies to your post, but I’d like to formally (and politely) ask you to point us to some form of proof that 0bama was born in Hawaii. Something that wasn’t fraudulently created in bits and pieces and pasted together within the past few years.

Thank you.


29 posted on 05/21/2012 8:21:08 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( ABO - 2012 )))))
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To: Starman417

Here’s a wild theory. Maybe he really was born in Kenya.


30 posted on 05/21/2012 8:35:29 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MrShoop

What evidence is there that he was born in Kenya?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1grt5uehak


31 posted on 05/21/2012 8:35:41 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: MrShoop

I personally downloaded the long-form birth certificate from the white house’s website on the day the released it and was able to use Adobe Illustrator to disassemble the pieces. That document definitely did NOT come from Hawaii. It was created by an 0bama lackey who failed to “flatten” the image before uploading it and they got caught. Besides, both the short-form and the long-form list BHO Sr’s race as “African” which isn’t a racial designation and never was. It’s not even a nationality. Do a little research and find out what the proper terms were back in 1961. You’ll find they’re most likely “black”, “negro” or “negroid” or something similar. That was the proper vernacular of the day. Another mistake made by the fool(s) who fabricated 0bama’s papers.

Nothing is real about him except for the danger he poses to our country.


32 posted on 05/21/2012 8:39:28 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( ABO - 2012 )))))
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To: laweeks

I think the woman in question is not his actual grandmother but another wife of his grandfather—a step-grandmother.


33 posted on 05/21/2012 8:41:57 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: MrShoop

“I know FR is birther territory, but the likelihood there is a conspiracy that includes Obama and officials of the state of Hawaii to present a fraudulent birth certificate isn’t plausible. And while people pick at the evidence that is out there for the Hawaii birth, there isn’t any positive evidence of his birth elsewhere.”

TheObamaFile.com has compiled a number of links to these various stories:

Kenya Sunday Standard headline — “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate”.....SundayJune 27,2004
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born04.htm

The Nigerian Observer — “Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win. The Kenyan-born Senator will…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born01.htm

USAfrica — “Kenyan-born OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination of U. S. Democratic party; eyes on White House…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born09.gif

AllAfrica.com — ” Little wonder then why Kenyan-born Barack Obama, America’s first Black President…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born02.htm

GraphicGhana.com — “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.” The same article, with the same quote, appeared in ModernGhana.com. http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/AfricaContinentOfHisBirth.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born05-ContinentOfBirth.htm

The Ghana Times — “So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the African-American Senator from Illinois state. A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the Kenyan born American ahead of his rivel, John McCain.”
Tues 04, Nov 2008 http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born07.bmp
I also extensively covered Mr. Obama’s July trip to Ghana here.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/07/11/modernghana-com-obamas-visit-to-the-continent-of-his-birth/

How do you account for all of the African News Agencies saying Obama was Kenyan -Born??


34 posted on 05/21/2012 8:49:58 PM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: Starman417
However, the woman who wrote Obama's biography in the pamphlet said Thursday that she had misidentified Obama's place of birth.

So then why Kenya? Why not Kentucky, South Africa or Mali. She misidentified from what source? I'll bet it was from Obama's lying lips.

35 posted on 05/21/2012 9:16:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Ineptocracy; the Obama way.)
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To: MrShoop
What evidence is there that he was born in Kenya?

Didn't you hear? He said he was born in Kenya.

36 posted on 05/21/2012 9:19:33 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will soon wag the dog.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Guess what, Elizabeth Warren said she was part Cherokee and Richard Blumenthal said he served in Vietname, does it make it true? Obama probably did say he was born in Kenya, and someone should find out and hold him accountable.


37 posted on 05/21/2012 9:52:31 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Two Kids' Dad
The two copies of his Hawaii Birth Cert are better evidence than anything else I've seen that say he was born elsewhere. No one is showing a Kenyan birth cert or getting high level Kenyan government officials to vouch for it.

Most of the arguments that they are forgeries are based on a misunderstanding of how scanning and compression work. Both were certified by the State of Hawaii, so if they were forged it means that it a massive conspiracy, which is just silly.

38 posted on 05/21/2012 10:01:13 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Two Kids' Dad
You can claim they are forgeries, but you can;t claim they didn't come from Hawaii. The State of Hawaii made this statement:
The Hawai‘i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai‘i,” Hawai‘i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai‘i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai‘i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).

Source: Hawaii Health Department Grants President Obama's Request for Certified Copies of 'Long Form' Birth Certificate

So if you want to claim they are forgeries, you have to weave into your story that the Hawaii State officials are all involved in the conspiracy as well.

39 posted on 05/21/2012 10:08:34 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: ebysan
Why do you think they reported it? It probably wasn't because someone showed them a kenyan birth certificate. There could be lots of reasons. Obama may have claimed it himself to gain some sort of affirmative action advantage. It could be wishful thinking on their part. It could be a misunderstanding. Incorrect stuff gets printed every day in the US press, which as biased as it is has a somewhat higher standard than the African News Agency.

This is where the office is for the Nigerian Observer, not sure they do a lot of fact checking:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=971&with_photo_id=32670543&order=date_desc&user=2687089

40 posted on 05/21/2012 10:37:23 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: 353FMG

That is true. Now it becomes a question of finding one with the guts to do it.


41 posted on 05/22/2012 3:31:49 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: laweeks
Think about it: OBOZO'S GRANDMOTHER WITNESSED HIS BIRTH IN KENYA!

This idea has been repeated constantly, and yet it is little founded in reality. I remember when it was first alleged that his grandmother claimed he was born in Kenya, I eagerly went to the website reporting the claim to see it for myself.

It turned out to be utter rubbish. The man asking the questions is doing so in English, and a translator is supposedly repeating what he said to the Grandmother. She answers in what I presume is some Kenyan dialect, and the translator translates it back to English.

Just that alone is enough to impeach the credibility of such a claim, but it is even worse than that. The man asks a leading (and misleading) question.

You must NEVER ask leading questions to get to the truth. You are, in effect, putting words in your witnesses mouth and urging them to agree with you.

Had the interviewer simply asked, "Where was he born?" and had the Grandmother replied, "Here in the Village." Then you might have something, but it would still be suspect because the conversation is crossing two languages, but to ask "Were you present at his birth here in your village?" Renders the entire attempt pointless, because it is not only a leading question, it is attempting to communicate two not necessarily related points at the same time. The way she may have understood it after the translator got finished with it might have been "Were you here in the Village when he was born?"

No, the so-called statement from the Grandmother is utter crap, especially when it was further clarified to her what they were asking, and she then emphatically denied he was born in the Village.

I would not even bring that up as a piece of evidence. It is embarrassing to anyone that has heard and understands the exchange between the questioner and the Grandmother. It is an obvious attempt to trick an old lady who speaks a different language, and it ought not be regarded as proof of anything other than that some people are eager to put words in other people's mouths.

42 posted on 05/22/2012 6:16:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MrShoop
I know FR is birther territory, but the likelihood there is a conspiracy that includes Obama and officials of the state of Hawaii to present a fraudulent birth certificate isn’t plausible. And while people pick at the evidence that is out there for the Hawaii birth, there isn’t any positive evidence of his birth elsewhere.

I would point out that all 50 states produce more than 120,000 (One hundred and twenty thousand) fraudulent birth certificates every year. (Except when it is done legally, we don't call it "fraud." )

If it occurs more than 120,000 times per year, why would it not be plausible for it to have occurred just this once? Especially when you add to that the highly probable event that Lolo Soetoro Adopted Barack Obama back in 1965. Barry was probably re-adopted by his Grandmother in 1971. She certainly had physical possession of him for the next 8 years, so why would she not also have legal possession of him?

43 posted on 05/22/2012 6:44:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ILS21R
Obama was born in Kenya.

It is now, as it always has been, a fact.

I have seen no evidence that he was born in Kenya, and quite a bit to indicate that he was not. What makes you think he was born in Kenya?

I think it is far more likely he was born in Canada.

44 posted on 05/22/2012 6:47:09 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MrShoop
Obama released a short form copy of his birth copy in 2008, and a copy of the original last year. You can claim they are both forgeries, but that implies a conspiracy between Obama and the State of Hawaii which is implausible. Meanwhile there isn't any specific evidence as good as the State of Hawaii documents he was born anywhere else.

People always overlook the obvious. It's not a "conspiracy" if it's legal. *I* am an adopted child, and I have a fake birth certificate which they created when I was adopted.

Is it too much to consider that the same may be true of Obama?

Yes, I think his documents are fake, but I also think they are "legal" fakes.

45 posted on 05/22/2012 6:50:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
That document definitely did NOT come from Hawaii. It was created by an 0bama lackey who failed to “flatten” the image before uploading it and they got caught.

I have been arguing that the document did indeed come from Hawaii, and it was produced by the Hawaiian Department of Health as a replacement birth certificate for an adopted child who had his adoption annulled by court order.

The quality of workmanship for creating replacement birth certificates is not intended to pass detailed scrutiny, but is only intended to pass a superficial inspection. It is a fake document, but I believe that it is also a LEGAL document.

46 posted on 05/22/2012 6:54:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Herbster
What evidence is there that he was born in Kenya? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1grt5uehak

What you have presented is not evidence. It is merely a bunch of people repeating the same claim. I believe they were all fed the same false story which originated with Barack Obama, because prior to 2006, I think he consistently claimed that he was from Kenya.

47 posted on 05/22/2012 7:01:25 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ebysan
How do you account for all of the African News Agencies saying Obama was Kenyan -Born??

I account for it this way. Prior to his effort to run for President, Barack Obama repeatedly told people that he was from Kenya because he thought it made him sound more "exotic" or something. It was exactly like Elizabeth Warren claiming to be Cherokee.

I bet if you did a search in various places, you would find dozens of documents claiming that she is Cherokee. It doesn't make them true.

The evidence indicates that it is VERY UNLIKELY that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. As near as I can determine, he was born either in Hawaii, Canada, or Northwest Washington state. My current suspicion is that he was born in Canada. It explains all the stonewalling regarding his documents, and it fits with all the evidence of which I am aware.

48 posted on 05/22/2012 7:06:26 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MrShoop
Most of the arguments that they are forgeries are based on a misunderstanding of how scanning and compression work. Both were certified by the State of Hawaii, so if they were forged it means that it a massive conspiracy, which is just silly.

Not at all. The State of Hawaii makes thousands of replacement birth certificates every year, and they have the necessary database of contemporary documents to draw upon to make them look realistic. What makes it appear silly to you is that you, like most people, are probably unaware that all 50 states make "fake" birth certificates many thousands of times every year.

Even though the documents are not actually true, they are regarded as legal and legitimate.

49 posted on 05/22/2012 7:10:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MrShoop
Source: Hawaii Health Department Grants President Obama's Request for Certified Copies of 'Long Form' Birth Certificate

So if you want to claim they are forgeries, you have to weave into your story that the Hawaii State officials are all involved in the conspiracy as well.

Geeze, once again, it is not a "conspiracy" if it is a normal and common legal process.

The Hawaiian Department of Health creates a new birth certificate for an adopted child, every time they are ordered to do so by a judge. The document may be fake, but it is a "legal" fake.

I think Barack Obama has an original birth record, but I don't think it is an actual birth certificate. I think it is either a delayed birth certificate, or an "at home birth" affidavit.

I think Barack Obama's attorneys petitioned a court in Hawaii to have his 1971 adoption by his Grandmother annulled, and asked the court to create a new replacement birth certificate for him based on the information contained in his original birth record.

50 posted on 05/22/2012 7:15:44 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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