Posted on 06/29/2012 7:48:48 AM PDT by NOBO2012
Yesterday was full of stunning decisions:
First, of course, the Supreme Court delivered their decision on Obamacare() and the Commerce Clause () – more on that later...
...It’s probably because I was so distracted by all the blowback from the Supreme Court decision and wasn’t paying close enough attention.
Fortunately, Clarice – American Thinker author, D.C. attorney and resident MOL - was all over the case. Here’s her final analysis; it’s an OUTSTANDING review of why yesterday’s Supreme Court Decision isn’t as bad as you might think. DO NOT and I mean NOT miss Clarice’s Pieces today on American Thinker (I know it’s not Sunday yet, butt this is BIG): Obamacare: ‘Things Are Now Up For Grabs.’
It will help put things in perspective, make you feel better and load you up for the long game. As Mary first mentioned yesterday, Clarice elaborates on how the barn door on the Commerce Clause has finally been closed (after we lost most of our ponies, butt still…) and points out few things that you may not have thought about yet, including, butt not limited to this:
The ball is now in the Republicans' court. They've already scheduled a repeal vote on July 11. Once before the Democrat-controlled Senate was able to scotch the effort by threat of filibuster. Had the mandate stood as mandate they could do so again. But now that it's a tax, it can be passed by a simple majority. And if it is, the president will be forced before the election to veto a repeal of a law a majority of the voters keep indicating they want repealed.
(Excerpt) Read more at michellesmirror.com ...
REPEAL JUST THE OBAMATAX INDIVIDUAL MANDATE!
Great, stirring video at the end!
PFL
"IT'S constitutional, BITCHES"
Can You say GOP Senate, House and President Roomey
Sooo....
Obama will be FORCED to veto the repeal effort. Gee...the GOP sure has him over a barrel, eh? I’m sure he’ll be simply devastated to be forced to use his veto powers (sarc).
Sorry, but.. somebody is delusional here. I really don’t see an upside to this. Maybe it’s these damned glasses (not rosy enough).
One way to get over it is to repeal dumbocare. Even if not successful, its still fun trying. The alternative is to curl up in a little ball and cry, which is exactly what the lefties want you to do. You are welcome to do that if you want if you are afraid to fight them.
I guess you don’t really understand how people feel about this. I guess we’ll find out in November exactly how deeply people about this.
A bambi veto of a repeal of a huge tax won’t look good right before the election. That is the barrel. Maybe it isn’t much, but its better than nothing.
Roberts is correct. Under the Constitution, the people elect people to make the laws. In 2006 and again in 2008, via their votes, the majority of the American voters said that they wanted to be slaves of the Government, that they prefreeed the Government telling them how, when, and where they could wipe their asses. It was made so.
Not to have a Supreme Court justice change it on the fly to suddenly make it Constitutional, as Roberts did.
No need to repeal it. Obama has set the precedent for how to neuter it - just make it a matter of policy to not enforce it. DOMA, Immigration, Voter rights act, he’s done it successfully several times.
So, an insurance company doesn’t want to cover you because of a preexisting condition? Yeah well, we’re not enforcing that today....
Don’t pay the tax. Illegal? Sure, if we were enforcing that...
I hope so my friend CAUSE right now I’m spiting nails...and they are all aimed at the TURNCOAT ROBERTS!! Bastard could have put this ruling to rest and spare all of us, instead the RATS were given a lifeline! I despise that plastic face pelosi snug bitch! And boner, if we win DON’T GLOAT...with folk like that we are so screwed...plastic pelosi is have a HUGH celebratory party at the Hill, ain’t life wonderful..spit, spit! ROBERTS YOU A**HOLE!!
This continued retcon of Roberts motives is kind of odd. As if someone is leaking talking points from a Chief Justice or for a Chief Justice.
Who’s to say McConnell would have the appetite to repeal Obamacare?
Roberts was WRONG. We have a constitution that protects our liberties. He just ran over the constitution took a dump on it then set it on fire.
Now by a simple 51 Senate vote the government can make you do whatever they want or tax the crap out of you.
Gov’t says you have to buy a GM car or pay a tax.
Gov’t says you have to eat an FDA approved diet or pay a tax.
Gov’t says you have to accept gay marriage and be a little gay yourself or pay a tax.
It must be stated at every opportunity that we only need a simple majority in the Senate and House plus the presidency to REPEAL this regressive massive taxation. Many Conservative minded people are probably thinking there is no hope because of filibuster....
“Sooo....
Obama will be FORCED to veto the repeal effort. Gee...the GOP sure has him over a barrel, eh? I’m sure he’ll be simply devastated to be forced to use his veto powers (sarc).
Sorry, but.. somebody is delusional here. I really don’t see an upside to this. Maybe it’s these damned glasses (not rosy enough).”
Ok, then give us you plan other than to toss crap at this.
Because there are people that are doing whatever we can to turn this back, and if some of the people on FR today dont have anything constructive to add then do us a favor and dont say anything. For every effort or idea put out here there are 4 sad excuses that will try to tell us how “useless” it is.
This isnt MopeRepublic.com.
Reid wouldn't let this pig come to the Senate floor in a million years. Not that he needs a million years... 4 months will do.
There hasn’t been an upside! From the getgo, congress(all of them) failed to uphold their oath to defend the constitution! They could have stopped him from becoming president! They swept all his foreign dirty secrets and lies under the rug! The avg American didn’t have a clue( and still doesn’t) as to what this Manchurian Candidate is up to! And now we are here, with illegal laws that restrict freedom and destroy business! Soon it will be complete slavery! Upside? I can think of one: The Lord is my rock! The rest? It’s all a sham!
I’ve been saying this since yesterday but apparently I’m just an elitist moron.
Its worse than that. All the moping and defeatism is a delicacy for DUmmies looking in. FReepers are feeding them a great feast and the DUmmies are getting maximum enjoyment from it, just as we would by looking in on them had dumbocare been thrown out.
Who thinks a repeal of the Obamacare tax could pass the Senate before the election, even with 51 votes? The Dims still control the Senate. Are there Dim Senators vowing to vote for a repeal?
Exactly: There is no way to sugar coat this. Accept it we are NO LONGER A FREE PEOPLE. This is Totalitarian government. Taxing you for not buying health care insurance is just first on the list. And don't forget, THE DOCTORS ARE QUITING, THE DRUG COMPANIES ARE QUITING, so I'm not sure what people think they are going to get when the government takes their money. They are just going to get sick and die broke, just the way the Marxists like.
I seriously don't think it's sunk in just what has happened to our country. A huge majority of the people did not want any part of this yet it's here and we have been voting. One man, John Roberts was the last lifeline to our freedom and he sided with the Marxists. I wonder what he is getting in return? When you read the dissent it's very clear that Roberts had to be coerced into changing his vote or he has been a closet left wing idealogue the whole time and we never knew it until now.
Either way, we are still not free and we are hoping to vote ourselves free in November. That's not a very good prognosis.
No, we don’t even have a simple majority....yet. So actually, bambi won’t even have to veto. However, the sarcasm that I commented on considered a veto scenario.
If you think that Washington is going to willingly vote to remove unlimited power from itself then you are sadly mistaken.
Wouldn’t this require some democraps in the senate to go along with it?
Not that it isn’t possible- I think there may be one or two sensible dems shaking in fear at what this decision means to the next election (that can’t ALL be stupid, can they?)
yuesterday, this entire office (where I work) was suddenly **very** quiet after the decision was announced.
People avoid discussing politics here (there are some hard-core libs, everyone here thinks they are dumbasses) but the temperature of the room changed dramatically yesterday- I have never heard it suddenly go so quiet
(and NOT in a good way)
A one seat advantage in both the House and Senate will accomplish the goal.
You won't need 60 Senate seats to avoid a Filibuster and you certainly won't need a Two Thirds House and Senate Majority to avoid a Veto from a Republican President.
So let's do it. If Obama is reelected, Obamacare lives.
The tarnished silver lining in all of this that congress can NO LONGER pass legislation like buy a GM car or eat FDA diet etc. pushing it through under the commerce clause. It will have to be PRESENTED as a tax. Under that pretext, buying a GM car or eating an FDA diet or even Obamacare would NEVER get through congress as a tax. The libs rolled the dice and won. But they can’t roll them the same way next time. However, they’ll think of a slimy new way to spike the game.
But they totally miss the point on the commerce clause. What they did was open the door wider. Previously, the left needed to squeeze things through the tiny crack that was the commerce clause. What Roberts did was to blow open all the doors and windows and now the simple power to tax is unlimited.
This has absolutely zero chance of making it to the floor in the Senate as lomg as Harry Reid is majority leader. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
I think you miss the point. We lost big time. It only takes 51 votes to pass a tax. It takes 60 votes to pass it via the commerce clause due to filibuster rules.
So because the individual mandate is now classified as a tax, it can be repealed next January if the GOP wins the White House and wins or ties in the Senate. The Dem Senators can’t filibuster the repeal because we can use the exact same “budget reconciliation” tactic against them that they used against us in 2010 to pass this monstrosity. I love it!!!
They’ve been rolling with a “FIXED” pair of dice for a long time!!! They just give us a different, smooth talking “Pit Boss” every four years to distract us from noticing the dice!
He’s going to try and take teh focus off this. Its not a great issue being under 50% approve of obumblercare. Ths will make him own it. It’s his.
Remember, it was 6 years ago that the Dems flipped the Senate, meaning that this year there are a lot of freshmen Dem senators from Red or at least Purple states, facing tough re-election battles.
Dem Senators up for re-election must now be asking themselves: "This close to the election, do I want to go on record as being THE vote that killed the Mandate-Repeal? Or can I just say Hey, it's a moot point how I vote, since 0bama's sure to veto it anyway. So either I vote to repeal the Mandate, which makes bambi look bad but helps my re-election chances. Or I fall on my sword by voting it down and then losing my seat all so bambi doesn't lose face. Gee, what should I do? What a tough decision!"
What's unclear to me is: Does Dingy Harry have the means to prevent a Senate vote? And if the answer is Yes, would those means require "creative re-interpretation" of some old rule in order to use it in ways never intended, thus setting a precedent that hands a new weapon to future GOP majorities as well?
No, no, NO!
Do not vote to repeal it now. That will only provide cover for vulnerable Democrats for this election. They will vote for repeal hoping that voters believe they are actually for repeal, while they know that it will stand because Obama will never sign the repeal.
Vote for repeal when we have the Senate (only need 50 now) and President Repulican. This is very doable now if we get to work!
The problem is with the Byrd Rule. If any Senator objects based on it’s provisions and the Presiding Officer (which is always of the Majority Caucus) upholds it still takes a supermajority to override. So nothing is going to happen in the Senate unless/until the GOP takes control of the chamber.
The truth of the matter is we were royally fucked in the basest of manner. The final results will not be known for another 10 years down the road.
Right. That has always been the case. But if zerocare was presented as a TAX would it have passed? No. If buying GM cars was presented as a tax, would it pass? No. That’s the tarnished silver lining. Any outlandish tax in the future will have to be presented as such, and if we elect people who would pass those kinds of taxes, then it’s our fault.
Roberts was right in that we get the government we elect. It has always been the case that if we elect scum, we get scum legislation.
What the USSC did was legislate from the bench and it’s clearly unconstitutional. Roberts stinks. I’m just trying to focus on anything that might not be a total piece of cr@p in the decision because otherwise I would go crazy :(
Interesting opinion, but worthless if we don’t have 51 votes.
“.......Vote for repeal when we have the Senate (only need 50 now) and President Republican. This is very doable now if we get to work!”
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There will be MANY things we can do starting in 2013. However, I’m convinced they will be accomplished ONLY if we have a sufficient number of TRUE CONSERVATIVE Senators willing to replace McConnell with someone with actual guts and a will to carry forward with necessary action.
As long as you keep playing their game, you will play by their rules.
If Zerocare is repealed, I will send an extra $100 to FR after the bill is signed. That's some really safe money folks.
Many have no hope McConnel will even try to get this through the Senate.
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