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The Supreme Court did Far Worse than Merely Uphold ObamaCare.
Tea Party Tribune ^ | 2012-06-29 12:11:00 | danmillerinpanama

Posted on 06/29/2012 2:36:56 PM PDT by tselatysr

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1 posted on 06/29/2012 2:36:59 PM PDT by tselatysr
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To: tselatysr

The money quote from the post above, we need to vote the right people in and not wait for the court to rule in our favor

“The only hopeful aspect of the ObamaCare decision is that it may encourage greater wisdom in electing our CongressCritters and Presidents. I hate to end on a sour note, but how likely does that seem?”


2 posted on 06/29/2012 2:40:41 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: 100American

Mandatory voting?


3 posted on 06/29/2012 2:46:20 PM PDT by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: 100American

Roberts should know that his first responsibility is to the U.S. Constitution, not if a law was legally passed. Right now he’s just another liberal “drunk on power” in my opinion.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 2:49:18 PM PDT by Boomer One
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All bills regarding taxation are required by the constitution to initiate in the House. The ACA initiated in the Senate. It’s an illegal bill now that this bill contains taxation as ruled by SCOTUS.

Is that the ploy?


5 posted on 06/29/2012 2:53:03 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: tselatysr

Look at it this way -

One man, through his convoluted reasoning, just made a decision that will guarantee the country incur so much debt that it will end up destroying the dollar and will continue Obama’s destruction of the middle class.

ONE MAN!


6 posted on 06/29/2012 2:58:40 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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It was legally passed, we got outvoted by the Democrat majority and the SC said it only stands as a TAX, not a penalty!!

HE made them come clean about what it really is and the answer is to vote Republican and get rid of the “tax”

So all of us need to get off our collective butts and vote!


7 posted on 06/29/2012 3:00:03 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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The thesis appears to be that just as the Congress can tax the purchase of gasoline, so can it tax the non-purchase of gasoline and therefore the non-purchase of insurance.

This is insanity. You can be taxed for NOT doing something or not buying something.

Citizen: "But I don't want to buy a Chevy Volt"
Govt.: "Fine, just pay the 2500 tax, and we'll be even".
8 posted on 06/29/2012 3:04:50 PM PDT by Signalman ( November, 2012-The End of an Error)
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Look on the bright side. Those anti-Republican guys like Ron Paul? Happily their philosophy didn’t advance with this ruling. Thank G-d we have real conservative Republicans appointing strict Constitutionalist to the court, otherwise the jihadis may kill us for our freedoms.


9 posted on 06/29/2012 3:14:22 PM PDT by SteelTrap
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But, all of that verbiage from Roberts is inconsequential - it means nothing, as it is referred to as 'dicta' - or, is a statement of opinion or belief considered authoritative though not binding, because of the lack of authority.

Congress can make a law, but even a Chief Justice can not. Now we will see an attempt to create such law, but it cannot be created, as this House of Reps won't pass such law.

Roberts made things much worse than if he has simply voted against this monster, and kept his conservative credentials, which he has now destroyed.

10 posted on 06/29/2012 3:16:17 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: tselatysr

Roberts changed us from a republic to a democracy.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 3:20:04 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 100American
It was legally passed, we got outvoted by the Democrat majority and the SC said it only stands as a TAX, not a penalty!!

HE made them come clean about what it really is and the answer is to vote Republican and get rid of the “tax”

So all of us need to get off our collective butts and vote!

GREAT! So we cashed in our Republic for democratic mob rule. So long as 50% + 1 vote for it, the 50% - 1 are just screwed? Then the Constitution and rule of law mean nothing.

What a country, comrade!

12 posted on 06/29/2012 3:23:14 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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In reality that is already happening. Buy a Chevy Volt and get a tax credit. Buy a gas powered car and don’t get a tax credit.

I actually think Roberts lost his mind. He voted the exacty opposite of what he said during oral arguments. Or was the solicitor general better than people thought.


13 posted on 06/29/2012 3:37:44 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Boomer One
Roberts should know that his first responsibility is to the U.S. Constitution, not if a law was legally passed. Right now he’s just another liberal “drunk on power” in my opinion.

And BUSHBOT to the end supporters of "W"'s man both in the media and FR are defending, making excuses, & spinning, Robert's actions to death as some positive act on his part. Roberts is a LIBERAL who was appointed by a Liberal.

14 posted on 06/29/2012 4:01:21 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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All I know for sure is that the members of the Executive, the Legislative and Judicial branches of government are all exempt from this horrendous law and only the drones must worry about it. The definition of that is an oligarchy...


15 posted on 06/29/2012 4:29:53 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (The injustice of trendiness is nearly dualistic in its isomorphism.)
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To: tselatysr

So its debtors prison for a debt you did not make.


16 posted on 06/29/2012 4:32:41 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: 100American
“The only hopeful aspect of the ObamaCare decision is that it may encourage greater wisdom in electing our CongressCritters and Presidents. I hate to end on a sour note, but how likely does that seem?”
If we don't, we'll get the government we deserve.
17 posted on 06/29/2012 4:48:22 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Vince Ferrer
Roberts changed us from a republic to a democracy.

"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."

-- John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, 1763

"A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction."

-- Fisher Ames


18 posted on 06/29/2012 4:48:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Boomer One

All this attention on Roberts. There are 4 or 5 others on that court that shouldn’t be there. It was just a matter of time.


19 posted on 06/29/2012 4:51:45 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: tselatysr
The main point of the article, which I wrote and posted here and was kindly re-posted by TPT, is that the Supreme Court created a terrible precedent to save a law not authorized under the Commerce Clause.

The Court cites no case where the power to tax a purchase has encompassed the power to tax for not making a purchase. Indeed, it explicitly equated the non-purchase of gasoline to the taxable purchase of gasoline.

If the failure to buy something is taxable, as the decision holds, how about the failure to buy approved mothers' day presents, to buy approved solar power equipment or to install approved home insulation? Can non-actions not involving purchases be taxed? The failure to vote, perhaps? Even the failure to vote for approved candidates? I don't know. No constitutional limits are suggested by the decision.

The problems created by the decision cannot be cured simply by repealing ObamaCare or by electing good people to the Congress or to the Presidency (good things all). Even if that helps temporarily, there is no reason to assume that it will work indefinitely. We have a problem and there may be no viable solution.

20 posted on 06/29/2012 5:04:33 PM PDT by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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