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Why do so many public school teachers sent their own children to private schools?
wordpress ^ | August 11, 2012 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 08/11/2012 3:36:45 PM PDT by grundle

The Washington Times reports:

“Nationwide, public school teachers are almost twice as likely as other parents to choose private schools for their own children, the study by the Thomas B. Fordham Institute found. More than 1 in 5 public school teachers said their children attend private schools.”

“In Washington (28 percent), Baltimore (35 percent) and 16 other major cities, the figure is more than 1 in 4. In some cities, nearly half of the children of public school teachers have abandoned public schools.”

“In Philadelphia, 44 percent of the teachers put their children in private schools; in Cincinnati, 41 percent; Chicago, 39 percent; Rochester, N.Y., 38 percent. The same trends showed up in the San Francisco-Oakland area, where 34 percent of public school teachers chose private schools for their children; 33 percent in New York City and New Jersey suburbs; and 29 percent in Milwaukee and New Orleans.”

Wow! That’s a huge percentage of public school teachers who send their own children to private schools. I wonder why they do that. Let’s see what the education bureaucrats have to say about this. The article continues:

“Michael Pons, spokesman for the National Education Association, the 2.7-million-member public school union, declined a request for comment on the study’s findings. The American Federation of Teachers also declined to comment.”

Of course those bureaucrats have no comment. Can you imagine the CEO of Coco-Cola being caught drinking Pepsi? Or the CEO of Ford being caught driving a Toyota? Or Bill Gates being caught using Linux? Any of those incidents would be hugely embarrassing. So of course the bureaucrats who run the teachers’ unions don’t want to explain why so many public school teachers send their own children to private schools.

The teachers who work in the public schools know a lot about how good or bad those public schools are. So the fact that so many public school teachers send their own children to private schools tells us a lot about how good or bad the public schools are.


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1 posted on 08/11/2012 3:36:55 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Oops! That should be “send” not “sent.”


2 posted on 08/11/2012 3:38:26 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Nobody is more aware of the shortcomings of public school education than the teachers themselves.


3 posted on 08/11/2012 3:39:06 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Mandrake gestures hypnotically)
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To: grundle

They know better than anyone the quality of the education available at the public schools.


4 posted on 08/11/2012 3:40:39 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: grundle

Mods can fix that if you ask.


5 posted on 08/11/2012 3:48:36 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: grundle

I imagine it would be like someone working in a Chicago slaughterhouse becoming vegetarian—perfectly understandable.


6 posted on 08/11/2012 3:51:56 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: VoiceOfBruck

Nobody is more aware of the shortcomings of public school education than the teachers themselves.
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yes. and many of them are good conservative teachers.
but many are liberals, who KNOW the truth,
and yet fight against parents who want vouchers, etc.,
to be able to send their children to a decent school,
without the constant threat of violence, etc.
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many policemen and firemen, are required, by contract,
to live in the district they work.
...public school teachers, who belong to unions,
should be REQUIRED
to send their own children to public schools.


7 posted on 08/11/2012 3:53:18 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: grundle

Its a job?
A pretty good job for the vast majority.
Pays better than the average with good bennies.
That is if you are not a teacher in some kind of urban liberal hell hole.
Otherwise, you get three month of a year and the good month,too.
Frankly, I don’t rate public school teachers much above tour guides or someone who works in a recreational dept.


8 posted on 08/11/2012 3:55:15 PM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: grundle

Why? Because most public schools SUCK! They would know best.


9 posted on 08/11/2012 3:57:11 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: 9YearLurker

>”I imagine it would be like someone working in a Chicago slaughterhouse becoming vegetarian—perfectly understandable”<

I’m no expert on this, but I think you have a shot at Post of the Day. A very concise observation IMHO.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 3:57:30 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: 9YearLurker
I imagine it would be like someone working in a Chicago slaughterhouse becoming vegetarian—perfectly understandable.

well said. who knows, they might even get tuition assistance as benefit.

11 posted on 08/11/2012 3:58:13 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: grundle

That’s a trick question? Right?


12 posted on 08/11/2012 3:58:32 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Leep
Frankly, I don’t rate public school teachers much above tour guides or someone who works in a recreational dept.

As with most government jobs, teachers almost cannot be fired, regardless of how terrible they are short of criminal conduct. However, many public school teachers do absolutely wonderful work, taking pride in teaching their students well. That varies tremendously by school district, but we have excellent, politically-neutral public schools in my area.

13 posted on 08/11/2012 4:01:44 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: VoiceOfBruck

I got that feeling when I heard 2 teachers in a neighboring suburban town talk about how they home school their children. They wouldn’t even send their own kids to the same school they teach in. If that isn’t an indictment of the public education system I don’t know what is.


14 posted on 08/11/2012 4:04:01 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: grundle
"Oops! That should be “send” not “sent.”"

That's OK ... for a public school kid.

/8^)

15 posted on 08/11/2012 4:23:00 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: grundle

Public teachers send their kids to private schools because:

1. They know the public schools have poor standards and by and large are pure sh— when it comes to educating children.

2. They make enough money to send their kids to private schools. They make enough money because they are public school teachers.

3. They love their children and do not want them to be subjected to the “Clockwork Orange” that is public education.


16 posted on 08/11/2012 4:24:36 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: grundle
"Why do so many public school teachers sent their own children to private schools? "

........to ask the question is to answer it Grasshopper.

17 posted on 08/11/2012 4:34:28 PM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Pollster1

However, many public school teachers do absolutely wonderful work, taking pride in teaching their students well.


If I had to guess I would say 1 in 4? Forgive my terrible grammar btw...:)


18 posted on 08/11/2012 4:35:27 PM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: cpdiii

Public teachers send their kids to private schools because


Not to mention being the daughter or the son of a teacher is often not a pleasant experience.
Especially, if your mom or dad is not well liked.


19 posted on 08/11/2012 4:40:10 PM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: Leep
If I had to guess I would say 1 in 4?

I think the odds are much better than that. Even at that ratio, it's not a reason to avoid public schools, not when we know that the bad teachers are concentrated in some schools and the good teachers in others. It's a reason to choose schools carefully if you're not going to homeschool, and to seriously consider homeschooling in certain areas.

20 posted on 08/11/2012 4:47:24 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: grundle
"Why do so many public school teachers sent their own children to private schools? "

........to ask the question is to answer it Grasshopper.

21 posted on 08/11/2012 4:49:35 PM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: grundle

Report Abuse on yourself and ask to fix the title (it is the fastest way to get the AM’s attention).


22 posted on 08/11/2012 4:51:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 85+% of the black vote)
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To: Leep

Ok, now your tagline is stuck in my head to the tune of Hulk Hogan’s old entrace song.


23 posted on 08/11/2012 4:51:49 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: grundle

They are paid so well they can afford it


24 posted on 08/11/2012 4:55:35 PM PDT by al baby (“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
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To: grundle
cause they can afford to???
25 posted on 08/11/2012 5:18:40 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: al baby
i shoulda known...
26 posted on 08/11/2012 5:22:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: grundle

>Why do so many public school teachers sent their own children to private schools?<

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Has anyone noticed that many muslims send their kids to Christian private schools, especially their daughters?


27 posted on 08/11/2012 5:39:55 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: grundle

Probably because they’re not as dumb as their students end up.


28 posted on 08/11/2012 6:30:07 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: grundle

Probably because good teachers know that the public schools are filled with students who are behaviorally and academically unprepared to be educated and parents who have little or no involvement in the schools or their child’s education. Plus, public school administrations place more emphasis on children passing the standardized tests than actually learning.


29 posted on 08/11/2012 7:08:48 PM PDT by writmeister
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To: cpdiii

I don’t think 3 is true at all. I think most teachers are happy with public school indoctrination. Hell, they are the ones doing the liberal, global warming, touchy feely, zero-tolerance, anti-religion, anti-history, pro-feminist, pro-gay indoctrination. But your #1 and #2 are dead on.

I agree that the few conservative teachers fit your #3 in spades, but I’m not so sure most of those sending their children to private schools are conservatives. I think it is about education, discipline and very much about safety.

It is much less likely for your kid to suffer a beat down in private school, because the guilty kid will be summarily expelled. Kids don’t get away with sassing and threatening teachers in private schools the way they do in public schools. You don’t have the playground crime or the massive drug use in the higher grades. All that stuff is policed and violators are suspended or expelled. It is a bit of different world in private school.

All this, the public school teachers well know.


30 posted on 08/11/2012 7:29:31 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: grundle

Back in the really old days, teaching was an honorable profession with dedicated professionals. Today, not so much, mostly a bunch of unionist grabbing for all they can get and marking time until their pensions come due. Are there good professional teachers? Yes. But they are few and far between and generally leave the profession or suffer in silence hoping to do some good.


31 posted on 08/11/2012 7:56:04 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Leep

“Frankly, I don’t rate public school teachers much above tour guides or someone who works in a recreational dept.”

What a putz. They are like everyone else, some good and some bad. You’ve taken the easy way out. Complain but never do anything to demand that public education be allowed to put disruptive kids that the private and parochial schools dumped because they just didn’t fit in a special school. The parochial and private schools don’t take physically handicapped or those with learning disabilities or ones with even minor disruptive problems. Great Christians they are they just dump on the public schools so you can complain. I doubt it’s any different in your city. Give me a break it’s about money. Tuition dollars. The ones that are taking vouchers here are the ones under threat of closing by the Archdioceses and these are not quality schools. You also forget and what scares the H out of me is religious education getting those voucher dollars. We already have several Muslim schools indoctrinating kids in this city. If you want to see class stratification in this city the parochial schools outdo any of the private schools in a very class conscious city. Why do private and parochial schools always refuse to take the same tests the public schools take for evaluation. The teachers aren’t evaluated either. Funny they are always looking for public school teachers that have experience here. If you think most teachers get 3 months off your crazy and the ones that do don’t get paid for it. Are you po’d that you have to take care of your own kids sometime.


32 posted on 08/11/2012 8:02:15 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dutch Boy

How do you home school your kids if YOU are in a school all day long?


33 posted on 08/11/2012 8:22:39 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Thank you. You said it best. Like any profession there are good teachers & teachers who should never have entered the teaching profession.


34 posted on 08/11/2012 8:31:56 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Dutch Boy

How do you home school your kids if YOU are in a school all day long?


35 posted on 08/11/2012 8:35:42 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: grundle

Why do so many correction officers not send their children to prison?


36 posted on 08/11/2012 8:38:02 PM PDT by Salman
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To: leaning conservative

My problem is that too many ignore the fact that what teachers teach these days is dictated by Federal and State Departments of Education. They have no leeway. Almost every moment is scripted by someone else and they are being berated and evaluated by a bunch of no nothings who don’t want to get involved just criticize. They are a good scape goat for politicians that want to look conservative. Vouchers are a loaded weapon for the Muslims, I wonder why some can’t see that.


37 posted on 08/11/2012 10:17:06 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cpdiii

Your three answers in post 16 are all excellent!


38 posted on 08/11/2012 11:03:23 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I’m not so sure most of those sending their children to private schools are conservatives.

Both liberals and conservatives send their own children to private schools. The difference is that the conservative parents are proud of it, while the liberal parents feel ashamed about it.

39 posted on 08/11/2012 11:06:35 PM PDT by grundle
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To: A Strict Constructionist

You are either a teacher or married to one. You have to be because you nailed this so perfectly. I mean to a T!

I joke that the prisoners who come down our road to pick up trash have more freedom than we do. It is insane, all creativity and individual teaching has been completely taken away. We started back on the 6th for 3 days of teacher meetings. These entailed sitting for hours on end and being screamed at by these “consultants” whose main job seems to be to degrade us at every turn and that we know nothing. (During this time the superintendent, who makes in the six figures (for a small poverty identified school district) is standing on the wall listening to her “consultants” & we all wonder; why does she get paid all this money if she has to hire consultants????)

What people don’t understand is the absolutely outrageous freedom the central administrations have. There is no oversight & people would be SHOCKED at how money is spent frivolously and at the expense of the kids.

I have no union & teach under fear. And yes, many of my fellow teachers send or sent their children to private school. And I don’t blame them. I am appalled at the members of our government who set educational policy and they send their children to private school. Teachers are employees, we have NO power, we make no policies.


40 posted on 08/12/2012 7:45:32 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: grundle

Your last sentence is so true it made me laugh outloud!


41 posted on 08/12/2012 7:47:50 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

The parochial and private schools don’t take physically handicapped or those with learning disabilities or ones with even minor disruptive problems. Great Christians they are they just dump on the public schools so you can complain. I doubt it’s any different in your city. Give me a break it’s about money.


And you say I’m “a putz” or I’m “complaining”...haha
But you are right..public schools are about money.

If you go along with their cookie cutter one size fits all rules they won’t pull your funding.
Public schools take a kid, say for example in fifth grade, that has fallen behind. Instead of working with them individually to bring them back up to level.
They throw him or her into a great big room and play “educational” games and work at a first grade level.


42 posted on 08/12/2012 8:22:46 AM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: Leep

ONe more thing. If Public school teachers take credit for the natural acheivers and the A+ students then they have to take credit for the dum dum and the problem children,too.


43 posted on 08/12/2012 8:25:26 AM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: leaning conservative

Thanks.


44 posted on 08/12/2012 10:56:24 AM PDT by grundle
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To: leaning conservative

Easy, several people join together and teach collectively a a day a week each or at night. Home schooling can take on many forms including small groups. It need not be just a stay at home parent teaching one kid.


45 posted on 08/12/2012 3:19:43 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Leep

“If you go along with their cookie cutter one size fits all rules they won’t pull your funding.
Public schools take a kid, say for example in fifth grade, that has fallen behind. Instead of working with them individually to bring them back up to level.
They throw him or her into a great big room and play “educational” games and work at a first grade level.”

Well the private and parochial schools just kick them out. You obviously don’t have a clue about what a good public school system is about. Must live in either a very Catholic or Union city.


46 posted on 08/12/2012 4:00:00 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: leaning conservative

“I am appalled at the members of our government who set educational policy and they send their children to private school.”

Well the putz that wrote the original post is probably hanging with the super or one of the politicians getting the graft while complaining about the schools. He hasn’t seen or is involved with the missing funds in P and P schools. Easy to blame it on the teachers, just a smokescreen for their agenda. You pretty much described our Gov. who fires anyone who disagrees with him. Really open minded and he didn’t even get picked for VP. Now he will have to perform if he stays in town long enough.

The consults are there to blame when she is blamed and the changes they implemented didn’t work. I have never in over 30 years of private and public work ever met a consultant worth 0.01% of what they charged. In many cases they just come in and fire enough people or cut enough to say they met their goal. They leave before the poop hits the fan. They are professional smoke screens for the bosses without a clue. Was your super hired because of who she sleeps with or because she is related to the right group? Often the case around here.


47 posted on 08/12/2012 4:12:35 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Well the private and parochial schools just kick them out.


Interesting that you would say that.
I was at a first grade reading level in 6th grade.
Had it not been for a teacher, in a private SDA school, who took me aside and gave me individual instruction I would have fallen so far behind it would be hopeless.
While I still have some difficulties I owe any reading or writing abilities to that one teacher.
In public school that had reading packets with the answers upside down at the end of the reading assignment.
I am certain that almost every student that fell behind simply cheated.
The worst thing you can do in public school is fall behind. Because its virtually impossible to catch back up.


48 posted on 08/12/2012 4:24:53 PM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: Dutch Boy

Nah, Having some cold impersonal centalized government bureaucrat and pseudo-intellectual who is detatched from your childs individual needs, to decide whats best, is way to go.


49 posted on 08/12/2012 4:34:36 PM PDT by Leep (I'm a Chic-Fil--A-merican)
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To: Dutch Boy

Thank you for the clarifiction. That makes sense!


50 posted on 08/12/2012 8:00:41 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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