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Empire State Building Shooting Is Proof that Gun Control Doesn't Work
The Red Side of Life Conservative Musings from New York ^ | 8/24/12 | RedInNewYork

Posted on 08/24/2012 8:11:29 AM PDT by jmstein7

The shootings around the Empire State Building today are further proof that gun control simply doesn't work - except to keep guns out of the hands of those who might want to legally defend themselves.


New York City is a de facto "Gun Free Zone." Thus, by liberal logic, there should be zero gun crime. How, then, is it possible that firearms account for about 60% of all murders in New York? By liberal logic, murderers in New York aren't able to own guns. See how absurd the logic of the gun grabbers is?

The fact is, no matter how strict gun laws are, a person who wants to commit a crime with a gun will find a way to get a gun - just like a person who wants drugs that are 100% illegal will find a way to get said drugs. Gun laws don't stop gun crimes. All gun laws do is stop people from defending themselves. But ONE person with a CCW could have shot the shooter in NYC the second he opened fire.

What if the shooter had been in a subway car? What would have stopped him from killing every single defenseless person therein? NYC can't possibly put a cop in every subway car. How about a bus? An office building? This only serves to emphasis the need for the government to back off and give millions of potential and defenseless victims the means of self-defense in such situations.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not advocating for a wild-west scenario. I don't want to put guns in the hands of just any idiot - there has to be at least a minimum knowledge and respect of firearms through education. But I do think that anyone who has taken, say, an NRA-approved course on how to use and respect firearms should be issued a CC permit. That is, after they have been taught how to shoot, when to shoot, when NOT to shoot, etc.

In fact, I would mandate such education in public schools - certainly personal self defense is more important than handing out condoms.
Bottom line - where do you think a person is more likely to commit a crime - in a "gun free zone," or in a location where everyone is potentially armed and educated? Exactly.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; guncontrol; gunfreezone

1 posted on 08/24/2012 8:11:37 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7

How many nano-seconds after this happened did ABC and NBC blame the Tea party?


2 posted on 08/24/2012 8:22:11 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Bloomberg is saying some of the victims were shot by the police


3 posted on 08/24/2012 8:23:52 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: jmstein7

That was fast, speaking of politicizing it.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 8:23:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: jmstein7
Is it just me or are there more shootings lately, or publicity about shootings.
Fuel for gun-grabbers?

I agree, basic gun safety should be taught in schools, it's right up there with knowing how to swim.
Do they teach that nowadays?

5 posted on 08/24/2012 8:24:11 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: jmstein7
Leftist logic on gun control mirrors their defense of communist failures, i.e. “It would work, but it has to be worldwide.”

There are always free people somewhere that are to be held accountable for the failure of Leftist diktats.

6 posted on 08/24/2012 8:25:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cuban leaf

Gotta get to the spin-room first on these important issues


7 posted on 08/24/2012 8:26:02 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7

It’s illegal to have a gun in NYC. So there was no shooting.


8 posted on 08/24/2012 8:33:11 AM PDT by lurk
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To: jmstein7
Bloomberg needs to legalize guns and outlaw people.
9 posted on 08/24/2012 8:35:43 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: jmstein7

It is starting to sound like the shooter fired two shots into his ex-boss and walked away. Cops then opened fire and nailed the shooter and multiple bystanders.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 8:36:23 AM PDT by zagger
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To: lurk

“It’s illegal to have a gun in NYC. So there was no shooting.”

Libs will spin it. Watch.

Other state gun laws.

How about we just put up a fence around NYC, DC and Chicago?

Nobody in, Nobody out.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 8:36:50 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: cuban leaf

Whorealdo is on WABC radio right now...politicizing it.

His main talking poitn is “Thank goodness everyone in NY isn’t armed, or alot more people would have been shot by incompetent do gooders.”

....and there is now a Drudge headline stating that the NYPD did just that - shot civilians by accident.


12 posted on 08/24/2012 8:37:33 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: cuban leaf
“That was fast, speaking of politicizing it.”

Yay-Hoooooo has a video Of Bloomers leading the stampede of politicals before the media cameras.

13 posted on 08/24/2012 8:37:53 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: jmstein7
“I would mandate such [NRA-style] education in public schools.”

It's because I believe you are right overall that I implore you not to make the argument that there should be NRA-style education in public schools. This is a nonstarter and you will lose 95% of the people you are trying to convert. Let's stick with keeping it legal for law-abiding people to own guns.

14 posted on 08/24/2012 8:40:58 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: jmstein7
This was right near Penn Station so there is a good chance the shooter took the train from NJ, Pennsylvania or Long Island with a LEGALLY owned gun. If so, the argument will be for gun control EVERYWHERE, not just in NYC.

I can almost hear the sounds of gun-grabbers reaching in the distance…

15 posted on 08/24/2012 8:42:31 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

“drugs” are illegal everywhere. Same dumb argument.


16 posted on 08/24/2012 8:50:37 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: varyouga
This was right near Penn Station so there is a good chance the shooter took the train from NJ, Pennsylvania or Long Island with a LEGALLY owned gun. If so, the argument will be for gun control EVERYWHERE, not just in NYC.

I can almost hear the sounds of gun-grabbers reaching in the distance…

Bloomie just stated that the shooter LIVED in Manhattan
i.e. New York City and could not have legally owned a gun.

17 posted on 08/24/2012 8:55:33 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; All

There ya go


18 posted on 08/24/2012 8:58:21 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: BitWielder1

Just you. Well, most everyone really. We tend to forget such news.

These happen on a statistically predictable basis, and of late seem not unusual given normal odds.
The grabbers just assume another one is going to happen, and prepare accordingly - ready to trot out a prepackaged sudden outrage.


19 posted on 08/24/2012 9:00:28 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: jmstein7

Quote from CNN female street reporter,”gun was 45 caliber semi-automatic which carries eight magazines”.
I want one of those!


20 posted on 08/24/2012 9:02:59 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: GOYAKLA
,”gun was 45 caliber semi-automatic which carries eight magazines”.

after misreading the text....she then wondered ‘I wonder if it carries the New Yorker’

21 posted on 08/24/2012 9:05:22 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: CaptainK

CNN reports: Police who killed the gunman may have hit several of the eight people wounded, Mayor Michael Bloomberg says.

Perhaps the anti-2nd Amendment Mayor should train his Police Officers better!

Remember, perpetrators fear a well armed Citizenry.


22 posted on 08/24/2012 9:07:48 AM PDT by BobNative
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To: Vaquero

Touche’
Great “ketch”! :^}


23 posted on 08/24/2012 9:22:38 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Kelly identified the gunman as Jeffrey Johnson, 53, who was laid off as a designer of women's accessories from Hazan Imports last year after working there for six years.
As soon as they find out this designer of women's accessories shot his ex boyfriend we'll hear no more about it.
24 posted on 08/24/2012 9:23:19 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: jmstein7

WARNING TO AMERICANS FROM AUSTRALIA

Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RDWltHxRc&feature=youtu.be


25 posted on 08/24/2012 9:42:23 AM PDT by txgirl4Bush (2012 can't come soon enough!)
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To: CaptainK

Wonderful, so I expect the lawsuits will start flying in oh about 3 seconds. Rock and a hard place, let the lunatic shoot up the public or take him down along with some people. This was during rush hour where 34th street is packed with commuters and cops aren’t going to wait while he’s picking people off.


26 posted on 08/24/2012 9:54:34 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: jmstein7

New York needs a strong anti-gun mayor like Bloomberg so this never happens. Ugh, wait...


27 posted on 08/24/2012 5:23:24 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Impotent politicians. If they outlawed all guns people would use knives, if they outlawed knives people would use bats, if they .........and on and on. dolts on parade


28 posted on 08/24/2012 6:15:07 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (BB)
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