Skip to comments.Did Obama Fire General Ham Of Africom For Attempting To Buck His Order And Rescue Stevens?
Posted on 10/28/2012 10:53:40 AM PDT by Nachum
The latest hot rumor flying around the internet is that General Ham of Africon, whose departure was announced last week, was actually fired for attempting to buck Obamas order not to rescue Ambassador Stevens. Hes not exactly leaving early for his type of command, plus, hes still in command, I have to assume, since his replacement still has to be confirmed by the Senate. Even if its an urban legend, its such a cool one that its kind of a duty to pass it on. Heres the text most-often seen in emails, message boards and blog posts:
I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.
quote: (The) basic principle is that you dont deploy forces into harms way without knowing whats going on; without having some real-time information about whats taking place, Panetta told Pentagon reporters. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.
The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
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This is what I posted on Twitter oner an hour ago::
Jennifer Griffin @JenGriffinFNC6h (ON TWITTER): “Rumors Gen Carter Ham relieved of command over Benghazi NOT true, according to multiple well placed sources. Long planned change of command.”
THAT IS PRECISELY WHY GENERAL HAM WAS RELIEVED BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO RESCUE THE AMERICANS IN LIBYA AND obama HAD SAID LET THEM DIE. obama COULDN’T TOLERATE GETTING IGNORED AND HAD THE XO RELIEVE HIM. obama HAS COMMITTED TREASON. HE CAN ONLY GIVE LEGAL ORDERS. LETTING AMERICANS DIE TO PROTECT obama’s CAMPAIGN FOR OFFICE IS NOT A LEGAL ORDER.
IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT NOT NOT A LONG PLANNED CHANGE OF COMMAND. IT WAS GENERAL HAM DOING THE RIGHT THING IN THE FACE OF AN EVIL DICTATOR AND GETTING RELIEVED FROM DUTY BEFORE HE COULD GET IT DONE.
In other news, Obama has fired the rear admiral commanding a carrier battle group off the shores of Libya. Yeah, right; coincidence.
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If you want to get more military isight into Benghazi and other military issues, I recommend the radio show on KFI LA AM 640 8-10 Sat and Sunday nights, Brian Suits, A Dark Secret Place.
The part about the second in command walking in thirty to sixty seconds later...I think is bogus. Maybe fifteen to twenty minutes is possible...but he’d have to have a armed escort to make that possible.
I will add this...having spent over twenty years in the Air Force. There are some officers who would have duked it out, and done physical damage to anyone who tried to arrest or apprehend them.
Finally, if this all plays out and is basically true...there’s going to be some suspicions about who works for who within the top twenty-five generals of DOD. I can’t even imagine General Ham being pushed out of the DoD, without a Senate hearing over the mess.
1930’s Stalinist purges have come to Obamaland..
Maybe Obama found out about ECOMCON.
If Gen Ham were relieved of duty as has been rumored (even apparently in intel circles—at least that’s the rumor;-), the Obama administration would deny it and take steps to make sure such information never saw the light of day.
Ham needs to testify, under oath, in front of the House.
So what came first- the chicken or the egg?
Long-planned? That’s the ticket—replace Ham with Rodriguez a week before the election. Long-range, short-range, it’s still polisticky.
And to think that during this Purgapalooza, that snake Colin Powell backs up Obama.
MOST IF NOT ALL THESE CHANGES IN COMMAND WERE PLANNED LONG BEFORE BENGHAZI INCIDENT BECAUSE THEY WERE REPORTED IN THE MILITARY TIMES AND OTHER PUBLICATIONS.
Well, it is rather odd that not only in the military, but in positions of authority all over the United States, that LOYAL AMERICANS are being shoved out, and replaced with ‘helpful idiots’.
Unless it had been anticipated.
See my post #20.
And Ham is Houseman? Frankly I’d rather have a Gen. Scott around for a change.
Perhaps Ham and the other high-ranking officers were relieved if command when, hearing how Obama ordered them to stand-down and not save the ambassador and the others, they could no longer contain themselves and overtly started criticizing Obama, maybe to his face, calling him a lying treasonous traitor.
Had I had been in that position, I would have had to exercise severe restraint in keeping my opinion to myself.
google this genius, there are military change of command ceremonies for “long planned” changed of command with parties and ARCOMS or MSMs pinned on etc.
Not having your XO put you under arrest 30 seconds after you have given an order to go rescue the guys under attack in Libya.
You must be an obamambot
“relieved OF command”.
If you want to get more military insight into Benghazi and other military issues, I recommend the radio show on KFI LA AM 640 8-10 Sat and Sunday nights, Brian Suits, A Dark Secret Place.
If Team Obama would have shot straigt from the start.. Even if it was from the hip. Then all this wouldn’t lead to all kinds of speculation.
Just like 0bama’s college records. The only one who could have set the story right is 0bama.
Gen Ham was leaving anyway. Hubby read it in the Army Times last week. He was NOT relieved for this incident.
There’s enough reality to be upset about without adding rumor and introspection to the fire.
I think Obama is playing with fire here.
He’s sacrificed 2 SEALs and untold CIA assets, and interfered with longstanding ROEs for diplomatic defense/rescue.
I don’t think that any James Mattoon Scott types would have gotten a third or fourth star in the past 20 years, but I am almost certain that there are more than a few O5s and O6s, as well as some civilian intel badasses and PMCs, who both know the back story and who love the country.
Right now, if I were in their shoes, I’d be leaking and waiting ten days to see if the People have figured it out.
However, if worst comes to worst, it could get interesting.
well miss marie, that is not what I read. they both could be true, but you know as well as I if you are having a change of command, there is a ceremony, you get an award, there is a party. NONE OF THIS HAPPENED. HE WAS RELIEVED IN ADVANCE OF HIS DATE DUE TO CHALLENGING OUR SICKO cinc.
We have enough to deal with both mentally and physically these last few days before election without having to expend our time, energy and Jim's bandwith on a bunch of damn conspiracy theories proliferating like dandelions pushing up in vacant lots in springtime.
That’s exactly what 25 men tried to do in Afghanistan in 2005 when Michael Murphy called.
Long planned change of command my ass. The timing is WAY TOO COINCIDENTAL to be planned.
Gen Ham is one of the few general officers left with honor and integrity.
General Ham has only been the Commander of Africom since March/2011. For Panetta to say in the DOD report that Ham is being replaced, in part, because he’s 64 years old sounds pretty weak. Why put someone in that position who is 62-63 if 64 is too old?
Does anyone else wonder what effect this will have on the troops?
Crap runs downhill, I would bet there are some unhappy troops.
Panetta told Pentagon reporters. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.
They had live feed from security cams on the compound, live audio from two sources on the compound and live feed from two surveillance drones above. Were they waiting for the jihadis to give them a call and give them live feed from their side of the fight with their cell phones?
If Panetta's words there are true then he and both of those generals should be sacked for cowardice under fire.
Kip Ward is one of Holder's people. Leon the Nancy-boy is trying to save Kip's retirement.
General Carter Ham had to clean up behind
Gen. William E. Ward of formerly of AfricaCom being
Court-martialed for mis-aprepriation of funds.
Kip Ward is one of Holder's people.
Leon the Nancy-boy is trying to save Kip's retirement.
If this was “long planned”, it would not have been a secret, so you should have no trouble citing and naming sources.
Change of command ceremonies at this level are very public and published months in advance. An article in a e-zine 3 1/2 weeks after the fact is not proof of “long planned”.
Unfortunately the answer to that is something very ordinary and all too common. You put him there as a favor and a reward for service so he can put one more command under his belt and retire with a higher pension. It's the one-hand-washes-the-other politics of the top brass.
Obama and his cabal are scaring the sh— out of me!
Two stories are being told:
1. Panetta said that Ham was consulted and in on the decision to not intervene.
2. Ham himself (according to former ambassador Bolten on Greta) told congressional investigators he was not asked to intervene.
Which story is true?
see 43 above
I read it. What’s your point about it?
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