Posted on 10/31/2012 7:23:38 AM PDT by joeclarke
Typical- The Media can’t handle THE TRUTH
Well, whether he said it or not, it’s kind of true BUT...
it’s more like vote for Obama and the U.S. will become a living Hell.
Yes, and the truth is that knowingly voting for evil is a personal act that will indeed have an impact on one’s life, both now and in the future.
The Dems are in full panic mode over the churches, btw. I’m a Catholic, and all pastors in our diocese received a letter and a “pledge” from a Dem front organization called “Catholics United,” telling them that they faced legal consequences, blah, blah, blah for preaching to their congregations in such a way that it could be construed that urging them to vote against a certain policy was urging them to vote against a certain candidate (we all know who). They were supposed to sign a “pledge” not to discuss issues and send the signed pledge back to an office in DC.
Our bishop sent out a notice telling them that this was nonsense, they shouldn’t be intimidated by it, and they shouldn’t sign the pledge.
So if this is true, and God knows the future and what is in our hearts, then He must know who will vote for Obama. This would mean that God knows who will go to hell, right? Before they even vote!
It seems to me that the lefties are admitting that they know their voting preferences are evil. After all, Huckabee didn’t say they would go to hell, he didn’t even say they would be judged to be in the wrong. They assumed that he meant that, betraying their guilty consciences.
Yes, I think that’s probably accurate, after all, what could be hidden from God?
If you vote for Obama you are ALREADY in a liberal induced hell!
Do you think God knows who will go to hell before they even do something?
No, I think “before” is a human concept that arises from our limited perspective, and when you try to apply it to God anthropomorphically, you can create apparent paradoxes that do not actually exist in reality. God exists outside of time, since he created time. Therefore, there is no “before” or “after” with God.
However, He is omniscient, therefore he must know the entire course of our lives, even where we will end up after the final judgement. How else could He write names in the Book of Life prior to that judgement, without doing so unfairly?
Libs don’t believe in heaven or hell, so what’s the problem if someone says if they vote Obamao they’ll go to a fictional place they don’t believe exists anyway? If “hell” was changed to “never never land” or “margaritaville” would they be complaining then?
Of course, but to us, God knows what we will do before we even do it, so it is in our future. He must know if we are going to go to hell, and if He cannot be wrong, then our fate is pretty much out of our hands, isn’t it?
Since He must know the entire course of our lives, don’t we have to do something He knows we will do?
“He must know if we are going to go to hell, and if He cannot be wrong, then our fate is pretty much out of our hands, isn’t it?”
No, I don’t think that is the case. Our fate is very much in our hands, it’s just that God knows the end from the beginning. Just because He knows what we will choose, does not mean we never had a choice. That’s the kind of apparent paradox that is really just an illusion caused by our limited perspective.
“Since He must know the entire course of our lives, don’t we have to do something He knows we will do?”
No, you see, you, along with the rest of us, are stuck thinking like a human, and looking at time as a human experiences it. We simply are not equipped with any ability to conceive of things any other way. So, we think, God can know the future, therefore, everything has already happened, and nothing can be changed. However, it only appears that way to us, because if WE could see the future, that is the logical conclusion as to how things would be. With God, those same assumptions do not necessarily apply.
In order for everything to happen as God knows it will, we must make those choices that enable God’s plan to reach fruition, right?
It only appears that we have choices, but we really just follow God’s plan.
If Obama is re-elected we’ll think we’re in Hell!
“In order for everything to happen as God knows it will, we must make those choices that enable God’s plan to reach fruition, right?”
No, I don’t think so. I mean, it would seem that way at first glance, but you are thinking from a human perspective, saying things like “God knows it will”, as if He is sitting in the past, looking at the future. That’s not the case at all, since He is past, present, and future all at the same time, or perhaps the past, present, and future is all the same to Him.
Take this example, think of time as a dimension of space, like Einstein and Minkowski did. From our perspective, we are stuck at one point, moving in a single direction along a plane of time. We can’t see what is ahead of us, or behind us (we can only store what is current in our memory, and then approximate the past from that information). However, a being in a higher dimension could look at the dimension of time, like we view a flat 2-dimensional object laid out on a table, and see the entirety of it at a glance.
Now, God is not in a higher dimension, but rather, He is higher than all possible dimensions. So, if a being who is able to perceive merely one dimension higher than us can conceive of time and things like determinism in a completely different manner than we, then how much more superior must God’s perspective be? Knowing that, how can we presume to use our limited reason to judge how those things truly function from his perspective? We aren’t even equipped to concieve of what a physical object that was four dimensional would look like visually, and yet we would presume to reason our way to knowing how God percieves things? It’s a fool’s errand.
All we can really do, is say that God has told us that he knows all, including the future, but He has also told us that we have a free choice to make to determine our future. Since God has told us both of those things, then they must both be true, whether or not they appear to create a paradox from our perspective. It seems most reasonable to me to simply assume the paradox is an illusion, even though we are in no position to know exactly why it is a false paradox.
I guess we just believe differently.
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