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More than 6 million self-described “evangelicals” voted for Obama
wordpress.com ^ | Joel Rosenberg

Posted on 11/09/2012 4:58:17 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2

As the smoke clears from the wreckage of the Romney defeat on Tuesday, some intriguing yet disturbing facts are coming to light.

* Fewer people overall voted in 2012 (about 117 million) compared to 2008 (about 125 million).

* President Obama received some 6.6 million fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008 (60,217,329 in 2012 votes compared to 66,882,230 votes in 2008).

* One would think that such a dynamic would have helped Romney win — clearly it did not.

* Incredibly, Governor Romney received nearly 1 million fewer votes in 2012 than Sen. John McCain received in 2008. (In 2008, McCain won 58,343,671 votes. In 2012, Romney won only 57,486,044 votes.)

Why? How was it possible for Romney to do worse than McCain? It will take some time to sift through all of the data. But here is some of what we know from the 2012 election day exit polls:

The President received a whopping 71% of the Hispanic vote (which was 10% of the total votes cast), compared to only 27% for Romney (McCain got 31% of the Hispanic vote in 2008). Obama also won 56% of the moderate vote, which was interesting given that Romney (who got 41%) was widely perceived by the GOP base as being a “Massachusetts moderate.” The President lost married women (getting only 46% of their vote to Romney’s 53%). But won decisively among unmarried women (67% to Romney’s 31%).

That said, what I’m looking at most closely is the Christian vote, and here is where I see trouble:

42% of the Protestant Christian vote went for Obama in 2012. This was down from 45% in 2008. 57% of the Protestant Christian vote went for Romney in 2012. This was up from 54% that McCain won in 2008. When you zoom in a bit, you find that 21% of self-identified, white, born-again, evangelical Christians voted for President Obama in 2012.

You’d think this decrease in evangelical votes for Obama would have helped win the race for Romney, but it didn’t. 78% of evangelical Christians voted for Romney in 2012. Yes, this was up from the 74% that McCain received in 2008, but it wasn’t nearly enough.

To put it more precisely, about 5 million fewer evangelicals voted for Obama in 2012 than in 2008. Meanwhile, some 4.7 million more evangelicals voted for Romney than voted for McCain. Yet Romney still couldn’t win.

Meanwhile, 50% of the Catholic vote went for Obama in 2012. This was down from the 54% that Obama won in 2008. 48% of the Catholic vote went for Romney in 2012. This was up from the 45% that McCain won in 2008. Yet it still wasn’t enough.

Now consider this additional data:

In 2008, white, born-again, evangelical Christians represented 26% of the total vote for president, according to the exit polls.

In 2012, white, born-again, evangelical Christians represented 26% of the total vote for president, according to the exit polls.

In other words, we saw no change at all in the size of the evangelical vote, –no net gain, certainly no surge, no record evangelical turnout, despite expectations of this.

Of the 117 million people who voted on Tuesday, therefore, about 30 million (26%) were evangelicals. Of this, 21% — or about 6.4 million evangelicals — voted for Obama.

By comparison, of the 125 million people who voted in 2008, 32.5 million (26%) were evangelicals. At the time, Obama won 24% of evangelicals, or about 7.8 million people.

What’s more, in 2008, 27% of the total vote for president was Catholic, according to the exit polls. In 2012, only 25% of the total vote for president was Catholic.

Remarkably, this means that Romney got a higher percentage of the Catholic vote than McCain, but millions of fewer Catholics actually voted in 2012, despite having Rep. Paul Ryan, a practicing Catholic, on the ticket.

What does all this mean? A few observations:

During the GOP primaries in 2012, it was reported that there was record turnout by evangelical voters — they were fired up and mobilized then (though largely behind Sen. Rick Santorum.)

There were concerns by a number of Christian leaders going into the 2012 elections that Romney’s Mormonism might suppress evangelical and conservative voter turnout.

The Romney campaign worked hard to not only to win the evangelical vote but to turn out more evangelicals to the polls — but it did not work.

Despite Obama’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, anti-religious freedom record — a record presumably abhorrent both to evangelicals and conservative Catholics — Romney simply was not able to cut deeply enough into Obama’s evangelical and Catholic vote.

If Romney had been able win over significantly more evangelicals – and/or dramatically increased evangelical turnout in the right states – he would have won the election handily.

It is stunning to think that more than 6 million self-described evangelical Christians would vote for a President who supports abortion on demand; supported the same-sex marriage ballot initiatives that successed in Maryland, Maine and Washington; and was on the cover of Newsweek as America’s “first gay president.” Did these self-professed believers surrender their Biblical convictions in the voting booth, or did they never really have deep Biblical convictions on the critical issues to begin with?

Whatever their reasons, these so-called evangelicals doomed Romney and a number of down-ballot candidates for the House and Senate.

This is what happens when the Church is weak and fails to disciple believers to turn Biblical faith into action. Given the enormous number of evangelical Christians in the U.S., this bloc could still affect enormous positive change for their issues if they were to unify and vote for the pro-life, pro-marriage candidate as a bloc.

What will it take to educate, register and mobilize Christians to vote on the basis of Biblical principles, and what kind of candidates could best mobilize them?

This is a critical question that Christian political leaders as well as pastors must serious consider. As we have seen, just a few million more evangelicals voting for pro-life, pro-marriage candidates could offset other demographics that are becoming more liberal.

That said, we need national candidates who take values issues as seriously as economic and fiscal issues, and have strong credentials on these values issues, and can talk about these issues in a winsome, compassionate, effective manner.

We need pastors registering voters in their churches and teaching the people in their congregations the importance of the civic duty of voting.

None of this should come, however, at the expense of pastors and other Christian leaders clearly, boldly and unequivocally teaching and preaching the Word, proclaiming the Gospel, and making disciples, and helping believers learn to live out their faith in a real and practical way in their communities, including being “salt” and “light” to preserve what is good in society. What we need most in America isn’t a political revival but a sweeping series of spiritual revivals — a Third Great Awakening. As men and women’s hearts are transformed by the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they will, in time, vote for the values they are internalizing from the Bible. As I wrote about in Implosion, if we don’t see a Third Great Awakening soon, I’m not convinced we will be able to turn this dear nation around in time.


TOPICS: Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012analysis; 2012analysisreligion; 2012electionanalysis; evangelicalvotes; joelrosenberg
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1 posted on 11/09/2012 4:58:21 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Vote Fraud


2 posted on 11/09/2012 4:59:18 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Cool. So can the GOP stop pandering to Evangelicals now, please?


3 posted on 11/09/2012 4:59:25 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Maybe the mormon haters really are that sick.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 5:00:54 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Anti Mormon psy op pieces were allowed to remain here on FR. I flagged a few but they were never yanked.

Some vote union over religion.

Sadly the race was within 350,000 votes. The ground game computer foul up and some 99% turnout precincts were the difference. Need to spend the 300 million on early voting. Our people turn out on game day.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 5:02:13 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Any Christian who voted for 0 is apostate.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 5:04:08 PM PST by 'smith
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To: Utmost Certainty

Not all Evangelicals are Conservatives. Some are brain dead and easliy seduced by liberalism. Ofcourse one can’t dismiss many Evangelicals would vote for a Marxist over a Mormon.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 5:04:42 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Real Christians do not vote for abortion and homosexuality.

The devil has fooled many into believing that they are Christians, but they are not.


8 posted on 11/09/2012 5:04:42 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

The religionists are an inconsistent voting bloc anyway. Too many socialistic tendencies among many of them whom believe it’s God’s will to spread the wealth. The GOP loses more than it gains by pandering to them with hardline SoCon rhetoric.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 5:05:56 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: 'smith
Many of the people in my area who attend church bear little resemblance to actual christians. The religion they practice certainly isn't scriptual or Christ inspired.

But this won't stop some brainstems from taking the opportunity to beat on authentic evangelicals, who are among the most loyal conservative voters there are.

10 posted on 11/09/2012 5:08:14 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Iam1ru1-2

For all Repbulicans and conservatives talk about social issues, and align them with general Judeo-Christian values, it may be that, when all is said and done, most people don’t vote their faith. That is counter intuitive for conservatives, we usually expect this of liberals, not conservatives.

Now, if christians and social conservatives don’t go to the polls, because they feel if they don’t have a perfect candidate, they will stay home, then shame on them. That’s what leaves us with a second Obama term. And you can’t tell me that a second Obama term would be better than a Romney term.

In the next four years, we can all expect to open our wallets to Obama, and expect to pay for all the things we may find religiously objectionable in Obamacare.

Enjoy.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 5:08:56 PM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: Iam1ru1-2
I heard on woman interviewed that claimed she was pro-life, but didn’t have any problem voting for Obama. It’s like well I disagree with Auschwitz, but they did build that awesome autobahn. I’m guessing those are the evangelicals showing up in the communist’s column.
12 posted on 11/09/2012 5:09:18 PM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: 'smith

Preach it. You speak TRUTH. Same with any Christian who is a Democrat.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 5:10:00 PM PST by annieokie
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To: RginTN

A significant portion are typically conservative on social issues alone, but could care less about fiscal conservatism. Ø’s fairness platitudes likely resonate with many of them.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 5:10:11 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Utmost Certainty

What alternative universe are YOU living in?

Pandering to Evangelicals? Like endorsing the repeal of DADT? Mitt’s pro-abortion record? Being for gay marriages?

Romney, Like McCain 4 years ago, ignored the base. And now fools blame us for them losing?

Unreal.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 5:11:09 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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Here we go again - Obama 2.0 is the Christians' fault. Brilliant.

What crap.

16 posted on 11/09/2012 5:12:59 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

> authentic evangelicals, who are among the most loyal
> conservative voters there are.

Thanks, skeeter. You nailed it.

Lots of folks call themselves Christians but have no idea what that means.

One thing 0bamao has right.

We ain’t a Christian nation.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 5:12:59 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: The Wizard

It does not have to be fraud. I know “evangelicals” who equate government with God when it comes to social justice nor do they see the sin in wealth redistribution.

Look at the liberalism within the church itself that directly contradicts the bible. The term evangelical is meaningless now - the range of church doctrines varies from the far left - black liberation theology - to churches that are strictly based on biblical principles without the fluff. In between, you have the charming prosperity doctrine churches, the new age churches, and lots of others that don’t resemble my church.

It does not surprise me that many people who enter a building on Sunday voted for Obama. I am not surprised at all.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:13 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Inevitably, we’ll all be held to account for the choices we’ve made in our lives. Good luck to the abortion crowd in coming up with a plausible excuse for that one.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:35 PM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

What I’d like to know is why can’t the GOP seem to have a hodge podge big tent coalition like the Dems seem to maintain. Evangelicals and country club Republicans managed to co exist during the Reagan years.


20 posted on 11/09/2012 5:15:52 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Responsibility2nd

So how exactly did Romney “ignore” you?


21 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:17 PM PST by what's up
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Ooooffff.....wait’ll they get wind of this thread. 3...2...1......

They disgust me, those sick bigots. And as one caller stated to Rush yesterday, “ this is what needed to be done”.

Oh, really? Obama back for another 4 years is a GOOD THING? Idiot bigots. You are responsible for the coming apocalypse.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:39 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: 'smith

You can’t really be a Christian and vote for obama. Simple as that


23 posted on 11/09/2012 5:17:26 PM PST by Josa
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yeah, well according to the exit polls the so-called “Evangelical base” likes to ride both sides of the fence, and votes Obama by the millions.

Meanwhile, the GOP alienates millions of other potential voters who find fiscal conservatism appealing, but don’t really like the hardline SoCon rhetoric.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 5:18:00 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: annieokie

The human mind is crazy....Abortion, infanticide, gay marriage and a Christian can vote for that? It does make reason stare.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 5:18:22 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: skeeter

Here we go again - Obama 2.0 is the Christians’ fault. Brilliant.

What crap.

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Total crap. But desperate people have to find someone to blame. And the list is endless: Christie, Libertarians, Birthers, Dems who stole 5-10 million of our votes, Christians, Dick Morris and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

OK, maybe I made that last one up. But can anyone take a breath and think clearly for one moment. And maybe blame the GOP who conspiired to give us Mittens?


26 posted on 11/09/2012 5:19:00 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Arthurio
What I’d like to know is why can’t the GOP seem to have a hodge podge big tent coalition

Soros invested in far-left disinformation media and they are having fun using almost every issue to lie and divide conservatives.

From Mark Foley to Bush's DUI to the so-called "weepy Boehner" they are having a field day as conservatives drink the koolaid almost every time and turn against their leaders.

27 posted on 11/09/2012 5:22:29 PM PST by what's up
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
The human mind is crazy....Abortion, infanticide, gay marriage and a Christian can vote for that? It does make reason stare.

Hey enough of that hardline SoCon rhetoric.

28 posted on 11/09/2012 5:22:42 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Utmost Certainty

Yeah, well according to the exit polls the so-called “Evangelical base” likes to ride both sides of the fence, and votes Obama by the millions.

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Can you read? The percent of Evangelicals for Romney is 80%. That is NOT riding both sides of the fence. No other demographic came anywhere NEAR as close in supporting the Mormon.

But hey... Go ahead and bash Christians if it makes you feel better. Blame us, mmm-kay? That’s what liberals do.


29 posted on 11/09/2012 5:22:52 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

‘Self-described’ evangelicals...says it all.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 5:22:59 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
The devil has fooled many into believing that they are Christians, but they are not.

You are correct sir. As an Evangelical Christian, I believe if these people voted for Obozo, they do not know the Lord, or they do not know the issues, and if they do not know the issues, they need to get their heads out of the sand.

31 posted on 11/09/2012 5:24:27 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: what's up

Go back and read post 15. I gave you 3 examples.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 5:24:50 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 'smith
Any Christian who voted for 0 is apostate.

Bingo.

33 posted on 11/09/2012 5:25:09 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Nielson showed a decline in electoral night viewers (2008 and 2012) by about 6 million. That seems to be in line with the overall decline in votes for the 2012 election.

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It will be interesting to see the analyses of the Senate losses. It wasn’t that long ago that it appeared the GOP would win several seats that ended up staying or moving to the Dem column.

Where those Obama coattails?

We know the IN and MO losses were due to the GOP candidates’ mouths.

==

It would also be interesting to find out why Rove, Morris, Barone, and several of the ‘conservative’ talkshow hosts were so completely wrong about their projections.

This time, it seemed that most of the polling organizations were very accurate.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 5:26:34 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Iam1ru1-2

They claim to know Jesus,then they go and vote for an antichrist.Go figure.


35 posted on 11/09/2012 5:27:07 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: RginTN; P-Marlowe
Not all Evangelicals are Conservatives.

True. The word "evangelical" has come to be meaningless in that many theological liberals freely use it. Theological liberalism inevitably leads to political liberalism. The term "evangelical" technically means: "one who tells the good news". It's easy to see how both liberals and conservatives could find ways to argue they are doing just that.

And then there are those bible conservative Christians who will say that voting for a guy who is for the working man does not mean that you believe his other policies. That is real common among multi-generational democratic families.

36 posted on 11/09/2012 5:27:22 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: who knows what evil?

I would bet the house that the 6 million self described Evangelicals who voted for Obama also look a lot like Obama. Race trumps all.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 5:33:21 PM PST by gusty
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Jesus wants to know why you voted for a baby killer!?!


38 posted on 11/09/2012 5:33:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Romney ignored the base for his presidential run on things he said 15 years ago when running in MA?

Uh...right.

Truth is...Romney directly addressed the concerns of his base when he ran for President. He appointed almost as conservative a VP as possible to allay those concerns and as candidate for President voiced support for conservative positions.

His fiscal policies were excellent and his debate performances were so stellar he even won the vote of one of his most outspoken critics, the owner of this forum. But you can never please everyone and the back-seat drivers will always, always be there.

39 posted on 11/09/2012 5:34:16 PM PST by what's up
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and a bunch of Mormons also...

about 1 in 4 of those who voted in this election...


40 posted on 11/09/2012 5:37:51 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Iam1ru1-2

If they did; they probably voted for Romney; but were switched to Obama.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 5:38:35 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Responsibility2nd

80% isn’t a reliable base. If it was 90%+, then, maybe.

I think the GOP alienates more voters than it gains by trying to appeal to ‘Evangelicals’. It’s perceived as a Theocracy party, and in some sense that isn’t wholly inaccurate considering how close Santorum came to winning the primaries.


43 posted on 11/09/2012 5:44:32 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: gusty
I would bet the house that the 6 million self described Evangelicals who voted for Obama also look a lot like Obama. Race trumps all.

Excellent point...

44 posted on 11/09/2012 5:47:27 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Evangelicals are the closest thing to Marxists and Muslims. Birds of feather.


45 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:21 PM PST by ravager
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To: ravager
Evangelicals are the closest thing to Marxists and Muslims. Birds of feather.

This. ↑
46 posted on 11/09/2012 5:54:26 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Utmost Certainty

The majority of Republican voters are Protestants of one kind or the other. They are the party. If you don’t care for Protestants in your party you can become a Democrat. They are dominated by Godless, soulless, alcoholic reprobates who molest children.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 5:58:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Utmost Certainty

Actually, none of us have ever seen the Republican party appeal to Evangelicals. The reality is Republicans ARE Evangelicals or they are Catholics ~ and that’s pretty much that story.


48 posted on 11/09/2012 6:00:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Utmost Certainty; ravager

Gentleman, your bus is here.

49 posted on 11/09/2012 6:02:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Andrei Bulba
Maybe the mormon haters really are that sick.

I'm certainly no Mormon (it is a cult), but Romney should have exposed Obama for the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda condoning Muslim that he is. That would have made the difference for the uninformed Evangelical voters.

50 posted on 11/09/2012 6:03:40 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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