Skip to comments.Four Ideas to Be Better Prepared for the Next Sandy
Posted on 11/10/2012 2:13:09 PM PST by SquarePants
Superstorm Sandy's really turned a lot of people's lives upside down here on Long Island. The watchword for myself and my family is "thankful." We're thankful that we're safe. We're thankful that our home is largely undamaged. We're thankful that God protected our family and that we've had the resources to more or less rough out the conditions for the past week and a half without any ridiculous hardship.
It's been 11 days since my car got swamped by a storm surge. I haven't been able to get gas with any degree of regularity, and when I have there have been lines. Oh man, have there been lines. 2-3 hour waits are considered reasonable. They started rationing gasoline today, with odd/even tags being able to fill up on odd/even days. A couple of lines I noticed seemed like they may be a little shorter, but most of them, and for sure the ones in my neighborhood seemed just as long as ever. My car has an even tag, so I won't be able to get gas until tomorrow. I guess we'll see how that goes.
At any rate, we're the lucky ones. Long Beach is pretty much destroyed. We have friends in Wantagh we haven't heard from. Lindenhurst is beaten up. And of course our neighbors to the west in Queens and Staten Island literally can't buy food, get in or out of their neighborhoods, or protect their property from looters.
This whole mess has driven home the importance of being prepared. Prepared for what? The next storm for sure... Long Island gets hammered pretty regularly by Nor'easters and the occasional hurricane, but we're also an island, and not just any island. We're an island that requires you go through New York City in order to get off it. My guess is that a nuke in Midtown Manhattan could strand us for weeks before we could reasonably expect to get boated or flown off the island. So this has me thinking of how to be better prepared for the next Sandy... or whatever. Here's three things I thought of:
1. Get a generator. I had one delivered this week. It's only 4500 watts, but that should be enough to run our two refrigerators, a window unit A/C, a TV, and a computer.. and maybe a light or two. Whatever size you get, make sure you get a transfer box installed - that's the easiest and safest way to get your essentials online and running in a blackout. I'm not sure how much that cost, since I haven't gotten the bill yet from the electrician.
2. Store some gas. That's absolutely necessary. The generator is no good without fuel, and there's no guarantee that fuel will be available in an emergency. It sure as heck wasn't in this one. I'm open to ideas on the best way to do this. My plan as of now is to fill 5 or 6 five-gallon gas cans and, at the beginning of each month, use the gas in the cars and refill the cans. If someone has a better idea about gas storage, I'm pretty open to it.
3. Store some food. I was looking at MRE's, but they only have a shelf life of five years. I don't want to rely on expired MRE's in an emergency situation, or risk getting sick from one, and I sure don't want to spend a month or two every five years eating MRE's before they expire, so I found freeze-dried food. It looks like I can get 360 meals, or about two months food for my entire family, for around $550.00. The best part is that it lasts for 25 years, so that's the direction I'm going. Store 'em and forget about 'em. Till we need them.
4. Batteries, extension cords and lanterns. Make sure you always have several lanterns and enough batteries to run them. You still can't find D batteries on Long Island, and extension cords and lanterns have also been really hard to come by.
Anyway, I'm sure there's a lot of other excellent things that can be done to prepare for emergency situations, but these are all things I had overlooked. Above all, don't rely on the government or the Red Cross to take care of you. They might, or they might not. There's a lot of people in Staten Island and the Rockaways right now who are paying a huge price for their misplaced confidence that government would be there for them.
I've always been able to just go to the corner and get gas. Our electric went out a few times a year in storms, but it was always up in 3-12 hours. I've never had trouble buying things like gas cans and extension cords, but Sandy woke me up. And I'm thankful for that.
My approach for any such event is to have a list of items that can be packed into 1-2 vehicles in no more than an hour or so. If a major event like this takes place, I'm convinced you'd be better off simply driving 500+ miles and finding a place to wait out the aftermath for 1-2 weeks.
I told my boss after the storm that if I wasn't in such a responsible position in my company, I would have packed my camping gear into my truck and driven out to Ohio or Indiana for a couple of weeks to camp in a state park out there somewhere.
“If you can’t protect it, you don’t own it.” Can you get a 12ga and 500 shells?
Water. If you’ve got freeze-dried foods, you’ll need water to reconstitute it.
Here’s my stores:
Canned food is far cheaper, more durable, doesn’t require water and lasts just as long if not longer than any other “packaged” food.
Our son was on Long Island during the storm; and it’s been rough, but improving. His car was also “swamped” as you say. If your car got salt water in the electronics, don’t let the insurance company talk you into anything hastily. Salt water eventually corrodes the electronics. Son’s insurance company hired him a rental car, and he’s sticking to his guns on the corrosion aspect of it.
Every grocery trip, buy a few extra canned goods of what you already eat. Store them and rotate so they don’t expire. You’ll eventually build up your food preps without a shock to the budget and you know your family won’t turn up their noses at strange new foods. Canned goods don’t need extra water to serve.
Packing your car & evacuating is a good idea. But you can’t leave your packed car in a motel parking lot for long before your stuff is stolen.
As a Conservative who believes that God put me on this earth naked and alone, this post shouldn’t really be necessary on this forum.
That said, we need to constantly remind ourselves that real men prepare themselves and their families, for any eventuality.
Forewarned is forearmed...
Right. That’s why my plan was to leave and just camp out somewhere. LOL.
You forgot one:
5. Compare what was NOT learned after Storm Irene, 14 months before Storm Sandy, to what WAS learned from Storm Sandy.
BTW, although incredible to consider, IMHO, it IS possible for the New Jersey and NYC emergency planners to actually learn by reviewing, (I will put this a tactfully as I can), ABSOLUTELY, HEAD-THE-SAND, IT-HAS-NEVER-HAPPENED-HERE-BEFORE, BONE-HEADED, MISTAKES-OF-JUDGEMENT! ( Well, I tried to keep it PC also.)
What will happen if another, even bigger storm, such as a Hurricane Andrew visits NYC? DUH!
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My solution would be - move out of the city. What if a bomb was dropped, would want to be several hundred miles away.
We HAD four years to prepare, and it did no good.
Nothing will help until we stop voter fraud!
If we let the massive voter fraud, then we are no better than a banana republic.
Barack Obama voter fraud 2012
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Evidence of massive Obama voter fraud in Colorado! Ten counties show 104% to 140% turnout!
Fraud: Some told they already voted, others brag about voting multiple times
Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law
Philly Polling Stations Where GOP Inspectors Were Kicked Out Had 90% Voter Turnout, 99% Voted For Obama
[Sounds like those Black Panthers who kicked out the GOP observers and stood guard at the polling stations were not just trying to intimidate voters! They were hiding something!]
Voter Fraud Watch: Two Election Judges Replaced After Illegal Activity in Ohio - Fox News Insider
Why the Polls are Wrong: Electorate is R+6
Vote fraud alert: One out of five registered Ohio voters is bogus
via @BeachCity55 on Twitter: Senior parents in Florida told not to put their ballots through their reader but in a box. Senior votes in FL not counted?
Data Points To A Powerful Romney Campaign And Yet
“You have to vote for Dems” NYC poll worker tells GOP Senate candidate #IllegalElectioneering
At least 70,000 report voting problems, mostly in swing states
Plane crash destroys Afghanistan US military ballots, most of which are for Mitt Romney
Obama’s pattern of disenfranchisement of the military vote
Another Stolen Election? Election data HIGHLY suspicious AND the George Soros’ “Secretary of State Project” http://goo.gl/y1ybR
Yes, this is the same George Soros who owns part of the company in Spain Obama outsourced parts of the election to and who has been banned from Hungary because he tampered with elections there.
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From my friend Lynn Victory on Facebook:
“Thanks for what you are doing. My son is friends with a guy in the Romney campaign who has actually been on since 2008. He is not high up, but said that the O campaign bought high tech equipment to target county by county where the votes were needed in battle-ground states, so that they could “bus in the needed votes”. The guy would not say fraud, but that is fraud.”
Also this referral from Lynn:
White House Insider on Obama Steal the Votes Strategy (Just Before the Election)
“But these Obama boys they took it to a whole other level. Votes, donations deals its a lot more Putin than it is Clinton. Pay to play Big Labor this country never seen it at this level.”
Voter fraud witnessed in Wisconsin by one of Mitt’s ORCA observers:
via Lori Patriot on Facebook:
52 Democrats arrested for VOTER FRAUD so far
VIDEO: Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers
In 2008, John McCain Ignored Vote Fraud to Avoid Civil Unrest
[See what that got us?]
Michael Savage: How Obama fixed 2012 election
Massive voter fraud discovered in April
Is Voter Fraud Being Committed in Ohio? (Early Voting)
Pundit Press: What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote
Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket
“Did this Dirty Trick Get Obama Re-Elected?”
Vote Fraud Expert: Romney Votes Not Counted in Key States
“Could we fix an election? Sure, they would never know it.”
Thousands of votes from our military troops uncounted or missing
Defense Department can’t put soldiers, ballots together
Voter fraud in Pennsylvania - Black Panthers return, GOP inspectors thrown out
Ohio fraudulent voter registration cards
Ohio Residents Told They Already Voted When They Showed Up At the Polls Tuesday
Poll Worker Puts Glendale Precinct’s Ballots on Car, Drives Away
Referenced above, but with more information:
Two Ohio Election Judges Removed for Allowing Unregistered Voters to Cast Ballots
Democrat Admits He’s Voted FOUR Times Already
Boston reports 129% voter turnout, 79% for Obama; 74% for Elizabeth Warren
This one could be just a calibration issue, but not necessarily based on the programer’s testimony in the next link:
Voting machine swaps Romney for Obama
Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting
VIDEO: Possible voter fraud in Pennsylvania or just voting machine malfunction?
Voter Fraud Complaint Filed against Florida Democrats
“Ballot Re-writers” Update from Allen Westhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299196730187117&set=a.198312883608836.34844.198021666971291&type=1&theater
“Half the Democratic ground game is voter turnout. The other half is voter fraud.”
Voter Fraud: Obama Won 108% of Registered Voters in Wood County, Ohio
Video: Diebold Whistleblower Speaks Out on Voter Fraud
BREAKING: St. Lucie County, Florida Had 141.1% Turnout; Obama Won County
Between St. Lucie and Broward Counties, we have a pretty good idea what happened in Florida. Normal voting is what, 50% turnout? It doesn’t take many counties like this to affect an entire state by multiple percentage points.
All of these numbers between 99% (Pennsylvania) and 141.1% (Florida) turnout in dozens of counties in swing states makes me think Team Obama was panicking a lot just before the election, with Mitt up by 7% in certain early voting polls. They overcompensated so much the fraud is impossible to hide. I think they know it, which may be one reason Axelrod is stepping down. (Sound familiar Petraeus and Benghazi?)
As I told someone earlier today, this is who Obama is. This is who Chicago (the machine) is. Do we really want this to be who America is? Is this how we will define our elections from 2008 on? As Mitt says, “America can do better.” We must do better. We can’t let the message be out there that America will let this fraud go.
Want to do something about all of this? Tiffany Banks and Darin Southam forwarded me a list of people you can contact who are in the November 9, 2012 3:12 PM comment below.
Did you know voters can request a recount in certain states? (Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin!) Take a look at the comment by @RightonMainSt dated November 9, 2012 11:45 PM below for instructions! Mitt will have to ask in Colorado himself. (Yes, you Mitt!)
It has also been suggested that we ask Republican Secretaries of State NOT to certify the election until all questions about voter fraud are abated. Some people think this may provoke a crisis, but it can’t be worse than the one we are looking at for the next four years and the impact on generations to come! America NEEDS Mitt, and Mitt won fair and square. This was not a ballot stuffing competition but an election. Let’s make sure it’s counted that way!
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So happened to mentioned that with the new Obama carbon tax he won't be able to heat OR cool his home. Guy goes nuts telling me global warming will kill our kids.
So I tell him, IF you really believe that, Stop using electricity generated by carbon based fuels. Stop driving a gasoline powered car(s); stop using propane in your Bar-B. Stop burning wood in your fireplace; don't use trains, planes, boats, taxis. If you're going to go believe this then at least walk the walk!
I tell Bloomberg had 15 years to protect NYC. He did nothing. These leftists just want our money handed over to stop the global warming hoax. Don't like that idea. Needless to say, I'm now the nut! Strange world we live in.
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NYC is the center of the World to the people in NYC. ‘It can’t happen here’ was proven horribly wrong with the Snowstorm of 1888, resulting in NYC putting their overhead electrical lines underground, and building a World-Class Subway System, which exists to this day. Well, until it was partially flooded by Storm Sandy.
Back then they had Great Capitalists running NYC.
Today, they are a bunch of addled Obamanation Slaves.
Will they bother to visit The Netherlands and see what the experts have come up with since 1888?
I seriously doubt that the Mafia will allow the Unions to allow the politicians to do so. After all, New York City is the center of their World - - - .
Wherever you go, a car full of valuables is gonna be a problem, limiting your ability to leave it for any length of time. Someone is gonna need to guard the car all the time. Thieves are quick & everywhere. A big screen TV sitting in the back seat of a locked car says, "bust the window & steal me", in about 15 seconds.
Motel rooms are bad places to store your valuables. Motel staff cannot be trusted & everybody has a key to your room. While away from the room you are at risk.
You've got me to thinking. Maybe drive to another, safer town & rent a storage unit. Heck, you can sleep there if need be, & most have a light socket that can be used as a power plug with the right adapter. These places are far more secure than your home or car. Store your stuff there & stay at that cheap motel or camp.
I wonder how many NYers wish they had rented a storage unit somewhere high & dry, whether they evacuated or not? A $100/month unit & a day of moving stuff prior to the storm would have been priceless for anyone living in Breezy Point or the Rockaways.
All that said, evacuation sux, no matter how you do it.
It’s a personal choice. One thing it’s fine if you have a place to go so if you have planned and prepared a BOL then go for it.
But one rule it has been my observation that in most SHTF situation it’s the refugees that end up suffering the most. And once you leave your house you are essentially a refugee.
In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20
But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8
Sandys lesson is right before your eyes just as it was with Katrina; You either prepare and stand on your own or you can depend on a bunch of self-serving politicos, third class bureaucratic and chance to provide your basic needs.
Me I dont want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly dont want to have to kiss some gubberment third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I dont want some jack booted thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I dont want to be shut up in with a bunch of zombies and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.
Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo. Maybe while you stand there you will get a chance to a prop in some politicos photo op and even get your picture on the national news.
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For those of you who havent started already its time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, gas cans, cooking stove/fuel, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.
As the LDS say When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.
Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3
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Funny you should say that, 'cause that's exactly what I told my daughter a couple of days ago as she packed for a trip to the heart of the Sandy disaster area. She's bringing supplies up to some relatives and is even carrying her own extra gas.
She easily solved the problem ... her pitbull is riding with her and is sleeping the the van. The dog would probably lick someone to death before biting but she is an excellent barker and will deter any break in.
(Nice job on them all!)
@Kart- thanks for the excellent scriptural references. I always find the applicability of the Bible to pretty much any situation amazing
@Carriage- I’m already on it! Thanks
Years ago, my friend put his pit bull in his car during a hurricane to protect the dog.
The dog SHREDDED the interior. Looked like someone used a chainsaw. Seats, dash board, carpet, everything. That dog must have gone crazy during the storm.
No doubt your daughter’s dog is better behaved.
Great post, thanks!
But the first time I left my male Shepherd alone in the house, he just about ripped it apart trying to get out. Curtains and blinds were shreaded by the windows and carpeting was torn up by the doors. He is now an "outside" dog unless someone is home.
That's my upcycle doggie bed. Instead of throwing out three old bed pillows, I stuffed them in a garment. He loves it!
Thanks Kart. Couldn’t have said it better.
Always have a Plan B & Plan C, etc.
I like to start with Loss of Electricity.
Start planning from there...
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It would be near impossible for a Cat 5 hurricane to hit NYC. For that matter, even a 4.
A 3 would also be unlikely.
Hurricanes need warm 80+ degree water to spawn and maintain. Cut off the warm water by either land or colder water, and they diminish rapidly.
I think what happened with Sandy is about the worst case scenario as storm surge is biggest destroyer of property.
Winds can down trees and take off roofs but precious little can stand being battered by tons of (incompressible) water for hours on end.
I bigger hurricane might actually do less damage if it didn’t come with a storm surge at high tide.
For a bomb scenario, the only way out would be boats.
If you have natural gas, convert your generator to run on it.
Natural gas usually doesn’t run out because of a storm.
Otherwise convert it to run on propane. Then you don’t have to worry about old bad gas, or a varnished up carburetor.
1800 rpm generators are more rugged and last longer.
If you kitchen range and oven are electric then have a propane burner set up to cook with.
I would add candles and matches. For both light a a little heat. And a portable propane stove and a converter hose to allow you to connect it to your standard 20 lb. tank as well as a few 1 lb. cannisters. And keep at least 1 full 20 lb. tank. I also have a camp stove and a case of Sterno just in case.
That's a good place to start. I often lose power during storms. After hurricane Charlie in 2004 I lost power for two weeks and after Jeanne, a month later, for 10 days.
I have a generator that powers the freezer, fridge, a window A/c, TV and a couple of lamps. But I usually don't use it unless there's an extended outage.
Every room has alternate lighting, hanging oil lamps flank the fireplace (I have loads of oak stored for warmth). I have plenty of flashlights, lanterns and, light sticks for the grandkids. Outside, all my fence posts have solar light tops ... they can brought inside for extra indoor lighting at night and be put outside to recharge during the day.
I have a gas stove/oven and a gas/charcoal/smoker char-griller for cooking.
When most New Yorkers move to Florida they head to the beaches. But I grew up and lived on a beach all my life, so I looked for something different. I opted for very rural area and bought two properties close to each other. My daughter lives on one, at the end of a dirt road on an under-fished spring fed lake. Mine backs about 25,000 acres of forest with deer, turkey and wild boar. There's only one road in and out the neighborhood . . . easy to defend if necessary. The lake has crystal clear water and wee bit down the road there's a natural spring. I've used pool water for flushing toilets.
My grandson is an archer and knows how to kill, skin, and cook a rattler.
I'm about 12 miles from a major truck stop on an interstate. In the past they seemed to have their power back before anyone else ... maybe to supply gas and services to first responders, utility crews, and such. It was a blessing to be able to use their laundry, showers, and restaurant.
I have a couple of German Shepherds that guard the property and have chickens that run around my yard. With a couple of neighbors, we raise and butcher our own beef. I have fruit trees and plenty of room for a vegetable garden.
Life is good.
” - - - precious little can stand being battered by tons of (incompressible) water for hours on end - - - “ , unless the Engineers from The Netherlands are hired to consult to the politicians, who are owned by The Unions, who are owned by The Mafia.
Now if the Mafia hired the Engineers - - - - - .
I wonder if anyone has thought about moving away from the coast .... just a thought? Especially since there was nothing “super” about the storm Sandy. It was just a big tropical storm that zeroed in on a populated area of the coast that “knew” it would never get hit and was appropriately prepared.
I hadn’t even thought about the storage unit. That’s a brilliant idea — as long as you can find one that won’t flood out if a hurricane is accompanied by drenching rain that causes inland flooding.
Exactly. In this recent storm, I was prepared to drive as far as I could on a single tank of gas in my pickup truck. That would be about 600 miles from my home in New Jersey -- probably somewhere out in western Ohio or eastern Indiana.
Keep in mind that I’m not advising anyone to pack up all their valuables when they leave. I’m really talking about a scenario is not the destruction of a home, but the loss of power for an indeterminate period of time that may be as long as a month. The main objective is to get someplace where you can be away from the weather and the shortages of food and fuel. Bring clothing and non-perishable food, and perhaps with your valuable papers in the extremely unlikely scenario that you can never go home. Lock the door and hope for the best, as far as everything else is concerned.
The storm surge was devastating for the coastal areas, and caused damage to electrical infrastructure in these low-lying areas. The problem inland was that even a Category 1 hurricane in this region is strong enough to topple a lot of trees and snap heavy branches off many that are still standing -- which is what caused such widespread power outages in areas that didn't get any flood or storm surge damage at all.
What’s with the Netherlands? Have they been super-protected somehow? I’m not being snarky.. I’m genuinely curious.
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The Netherlands consists mainly of former sea bottom that has been re-claimed, for centuries, by Earthen Dikes. During WW2, the Germans breached many of the Earthen Dikes, and thus flooded many of the routes that The Allies were probably going to take to drive out the Germans.
After WW2, many of the Earthen Dikes were replaced with concrete and steel dikes with sophisticated flood and ebb gates to help drain the land by twice daily tidal action. Pumping stations were also improved at strategic locations.
In the 1950’s there was a huge storm that blew in from The North Sea breaching many of the Dikes and flooding much of The Netherlands. This was the final wake-up call for The Netherlands, and they then built the premier flood control system in the World at that time.
Other countries have done similar projects, but NYC and the Netherlands share a history of being damaged by “unusual” storms coming in from the Sea. Hopefully, NYC will learn from the past and follow the example of The Netherlands.
Since NYC ALONE generates 1/4 Million dollars of income a day, that coastal city needs to take lessons learned from Storms Irene and Sandy, swallow that local false pride, and build a seawall commensurate with the values they put on protection of lives, property, infrastructure, and their economy.
For example, consider: 1.) construction of upstream and downstream flood gates on the Hudson and East Rivers, and 2.) adopting the slogan “Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.”
A much less expensive option is to build flood control structures ONLY to protect the most valuable of the areas flooded by Sandy. Similar to what was done for New Orleans after Katrina by the US Corps of Engineers.
Use man-made power poles as many cities in coastal Florida does. In high-frequency hurricane areas the slogan is “If you live ON the water, some of the time you will live IN the water.” [DUH!]
With regards to re-building, allow me to paraphrase from a TV ad by Larry The Cable-Guy, “Put your building on ground ABOVE the maximum flood level, and don’t get flooded in the first place!”
There may be better flood engineers today that are not in The Netherlands, but it will be hard to find a better constructed seawall system than the one that exists today in The Netherlands.
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