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Four Ideas to Be Better Prepared for the Next Sandy
Realville, USA ^ | Nov 10, 2012 | Ombud

Posted on 11/10/2012 2:13:09 PM PST by SquarePants

Superstorm Sandy's really turned a lot of people's lives upside down here on Long Island. The watchword for myself and my family is "thankful." We're thankful that we're safe. We're thankful that our home is largely undamaged. We're thankful that God protected our family and that we've had the resources to more or less rough out the conditions for the past week and a half without any ridiculous hardship.

It's been 11 days since my car got swamped by a storm surge. I haven't been able to get gas with any degree of regularity, and when I have there have been lines. Oh man, have there been lines. 2-3 hour waits are considered reasonable. They started rationing gasoline today, with odd/even tags being able to fill up on odd/even days. A couple of lines I noticed seemed like they may be a little shorter, but most of them, and for sure the ones in my neighborhood seemed just as long as ever. My car has an even tag, so I won't be able to get gas until tomorrow. I guess we'll see how that goes.

At any rate, we're the lucky ones. Long Beach is pretty much destroyed. We have friends in Wantagh we haven't heard from. Lindenhurst is beaten up. And of course our neighbors to the west in Queens and Staten Island literally can't buy food, get in or out of their neighborhoods, or protect their property from looters.

This whole mess has driven home the importance of being prepared. Prepared for what? The next storm for sure... Long Island gets hammered pretty regularly by Nor'easters and the occasional hurricane, but we're also an island, and not just any island. We're an island that requires you go through New York City in order to get off it. My guess is that a nuke in Midtown Manhattan could strand us for weeks before we could reasonably expect to get boated or flown off the island. So this has me thinking of how to be better prepared for the next Sandy... or whatever. Here's three things I thought of:

1. Get a generator. I had one delivered this week. It's only 4500 watts, but that should be enough to run our two refrigerators, a window unit A/C, a TV, and a computer.. and maybe a light or two. Whatever size you get, make sure you get a transfer box installed - that's the easiest and safest way to get your essentials online and running in a blackout. I'm not sure how much that cost, since I haven't gotten the bill yet from the electrician.

2. Store some gas. That's absolutely necessary. The generator is no good without fuel, and there's no guarantee that fuel will be available in an emergency. It sure as heck wasn't in this one. I'm open to ideas on the best way to do this. My plan as of now is to fill 5 or 6 five-gallon gas cans and, at the beginning of each month, use the gas in the cars and refill the cans. If someone has a better idea about gas storage, I'm pretty open to it.

3. Store some food. I was looking at MRE's, but they only have a shelf life of five years. I don't want to rely on expired MRE's in an emergency situation, or risk getting sick from one, and I sure don't want to spend a month or two every five years eating MRE's before they expire, so I found freeze-dried food. It looks like I can get 360 meals, or about two months food for my entire family, for around $550.00. The best part is that it lasts for 25 years, so that's the direction I'm going. Store 'em and forget about 'em. Till we need them.

4. Batteries, extension cords and lanterns. Make sure you always have several lanterns and enough batteries to run them. You still can't find D batteries on Long Island, and extension cords and lanterns have also been really hard to come by.

Anyway, I'm sure there's a lot of other excellent things that can be done to prepare for emergency situations, but these are all things I had overlooked. Above all, don't rely on the government or the Red Cross to take care of you. They might, or they might not. There's a lot of people in Staten Island and the Rockaways right now who are paying a huge price for their misplaced confidence that government would be there for them.

I've always been able to just go to the corner and get gas. Our electric went out a few times a year in storms, but it was always up in 3-12 hours. I've never had trouble buying things like gas cans and extension cords, but Sandy woke me up. And I'm thankful for that.

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1 posted on 11/10/2012 2:13:10 PM PST by SquarePants
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To: SquarePants
After what I saw in the aftermath of this storm -- particularly with regard to people running out of gasoline to keep their generators going -- I'm thinking that too much focus is being placed on "surviving in the home" when disaster strikes.

My approach for any such event is to have a list of items that can be packed into 1-2 vehicles in no more than an hour or so. If a major event like this takes place, I'm convinced you'd be better off simply driving 500+ miles and finding a place to wait out the aftermath for 1-2 weeks.

I told my boss after the storm that if I wasn't in such a responsible position in my company, I would have packed my camping gear into my truck and driven out to Ohio or Indiana for a couple of weeks to camp in a state park out there somewhere.

2 posted on 11/10/2012 2:20:42 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: SquarePants

“If you can’t protect it, you don’t own it.” Can you get a 12ga and 500 shells?

Water. If you’ve got freeze-dried foods, you’ll need water to reconstitute it.

Here’s my stores:


3 posted on 11/10/2012 2:21:01 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted... it's over.)
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To: SquarePants

Canned food is far cheaper, more durable, doesn’t require water and lasts just as long if not longer than any other “packaged” food.

4 posted on 11/10/2012 2:27:00 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Freedom of speech is delicious. It tastes like chicken.)
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To: SquarePants

Our son was on Long Island during the storm; and it’s been rough, but improving. His car was also “swamped” as you say. If your car got salt water in the electronics, don’t let the insurance company talk you into anything hastily. Salt water eventually corrodes the electronics. Son’s insurance company hired him a rental car, and he’s sticking to his guns on the corrosion aspect of it.

5 posted on 11/10/2012 2:31:18 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: SquarePants

Every grocery trip, buy a few extra canned goods of what you already eat. Store them and rotate so they don’t expire. You’ll eventually build up your food preps without a shock to the budget and you know your family won’t turn up their noses at strange new foods. Canned goods don’t need extra water to serve.

6 posted on 11/10/2012 2:32:37 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: SquarePants
after experiencing a recent power outage, realized we needed a quick way to boil water. This may be a good option.

jet boil

7 posted on 11/10/2012 2:34:58 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Alberta's Child

Packing your car & evacuating is a good idea. But you can’t leave your packed car in a motel parking lot for long before your stuff is stolen.

8 posted on 11/10/2012 2:47:25 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: SquarePants

As a Conservative who believes that God put me on this earth naked and alone, this post shouldn’t really be necessary on this forum.

That said, we need to constantly remind ourselves that real men prepare themselves and their families, for any eventuality.

Forewarned is forearmed...

9 posted on 11/10/2012 2:52:57 PM PST by Paisan
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To: SquarePants
I have found Kerosene Heaters to be a very economical and viable backup heating option. Kerosene is safe to store and has an almost indefinite shelf life.

You can also remove the top grate (2 screws) and use it for cooking or heating water. I linked a 23000 btu heater. There are 135000 btus per gallon of kerosene. One 5 gallon container (blue) will heat at full output for at least 29 hours. I add an additive (methyl alcohol) to remove the smell with A1 kerosene. You can buy that at any hardware store and a little will go a long way. I also keep a carbon monoxide detector in the same room, however I have never measured any problems.

I get sickened when I read stories of people running extension chords from generators to resistive space heaters. This is a very inefficient and dangerous way to get warm.

Just a suggestion from someone who gets cut off regularly in blizzards. I do have wood stoves, but It is a nice backup to have.
10 posted on 11/10/2012 3:09:59 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Mister Da

Right. That’s why my plan was to leave and just camp out somewhere. LOL.

11 posted on 11/10/2012 3:11:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: SquarePants; NY Free Thinker; All

You forgot one:
5. Compare what was NOT learned after Storm Irene, 14 months before Storm Sandy, to what WAS learned from Storm Sandy.

BTW, although incredible to consider, IMHO, it IS possible for the New Jersey and NYC emergency planners to actually learn by reviewing, (I will put this a tactfully as I can), ABSOLUTELY, HEAD-THE-SAND, IT-HAS-NEVER-HAPPENED-HERE-BEFORE, BONE-HEADED, MISTAKES-OF-JUDGEMENT! ( Well, I tried to keep it PC also.)

What will happen if another, even bigger storm, such as a Hurricane Andrew visits NYC? DUH!

12 posted on 11/10/2012 3:11:51 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SquarePants; Kartographer

Possible Prepper Ping

13 posted on 11/10/2012 3:56:14 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Graewoulf

My solution would be - move out of the city. What if a bomb was dropped, would want to be several hundred miles away.

14 posted on 11/10/2012 4:00:20 PM PST by YukonGreen
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To: SquarePants


We HAD four years to prepare, and it did no good.

Nothing will help until we stop voter fraud!

If we let the massive voter fraud, then we are no better than a banana republic.




Barack Obama voter fraud 2012

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Evidence of massive Obama voter fraud in Colorado! Ten counties show 104% to 140% turnout!

Fraud: Some told they already voted, others brag about voting multiple times

Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law

Philly Polling Stations Where GOP Inspectors Were Kicked Out Had 90% Voter Turnout, 99% Voted For Obama…

[Sounds like those Black Panthers who kicked out the GOP observers and stood guard at the polling stations were not just trying to intimidate voters! They were hiding something!]

Voter Fraud Watch: Two Election Judges Replaced After Illegal Activity in Ohio - Fox News Insider

Why the Polls are Wrong: Electorate is R+6

Vote fraud alert: One out of five registered Ohio voters is bogus

via @BeachCity55 on Twitter: Senior parents in Florida told not to put their ballots through their reader but in a box. Senior votes in FL not counted?

Data Points To A Powerful Romney Campaign – And Yet…He Lost?

“You have to vote for Dems” NYC poll worker tells GOP Senate candidate #IllegalElectioneering

At least 70,000 report voting problems, mostly in swing states

Plane crash destroys Afghanistan US military ballots, most of which are for Mitt Romney

Obama’s pattern of disenfranchisement of the military vote

Another Stolen Election? Election data HIGHLY suspicious AND the George Soros’ “Secretary of State Project”

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Also this referral from Lynn:

White House Insider on Obama Steal the Votes Strategy (Just Before the Election)

“But…these Obama boys…they took it to a whole other level. Votes, donations…deals…it’s a lot more Putin than it is Clinton. Pay to play…Big Labor…this country never seen it at this level.”

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Is Voter Fraud Being Committed in Ohio? (Early Voting)


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Ohio fraudulent voter registration cards

Ohio Residents Told They Already Voted When They Showed Up At the Polls Tuesday

Poll Worker Puts Glendale Precinct’s Ballots on Car, Drives Away

Referenced above, but with more information:

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Democrat Admits He’s Voted FOUR Times Already

Boston reports 129% voter turnout, 79% for Obama; 74% for Elizabeth Warren

This one could be just a calibration issue, but not necessarily based on the programer’s testimony in the next link:

Voting machine swaps Romney for Obama

Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting

VIDEO: Possible voter fraud in Pennsylvania — or just voting machine malfunction?

Voter Fraud Complaint Filed against Florida Democrats

“Ballot Re-writers” Update from Allen West

“Half the Democratic ground game is voter turnout. The other half is voter fraud.”

Voter Fraud: Obama Won 108% of Registered Voters in Wood County, Ohio

Video: Diebold Whistleblower Speaks Out on Voter Fraud

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Between St. Lucie and Broward Counties, we have a pretty good idea what happened in Florida. Normal voting is what, 50% turnout? It doesn’t take many counties like this to affect an entire state by multiple percentage points.

All of these numbers between 99% (Pennsylvania) and 141.1% (Florida) turnout in dozens of counties in swing states makes me think Team Obama was panicking a lot just before the election, with Mitt up by 7% in certain early voting polls. They overcompensated so much the fraud is impossible to hide. I think they know it, which may be one reason Axelrod is stepping down. (Sound familiar Petraeus and Benghazi?)

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15 posted on 11/10/2012 4:03:01 PM PST by patriot08
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To: SquarePants
Sorry about your difficulties and losses. Nothing to do with you but a leftist I know tells me that new furnace regulations are going into effect in PA and blah, blah, blah he had to layout some big dough.

So happened to mentioned that with the new Obama carbon tax he won't be able to heat OR cool his home. Guy goes nuts telling me global warming will kill our kids.

So I tell him, IF you really believe that, Stop using electricity generated by carbon based fuels. Stop driving a gasoline powered car(s); stop using propane in your Bar-B. Stop burning wood in your fireplace; don't use trains, planes, boats, taxis. If you're going to go believe this then at least walk the walk!

I tell Bloomberg had 15 years to protect NYC. He did nothing. These leftists just want our money handed over to stop the global warming hoax. Don't like that idea. Needless to say, I'm now the nut! Strange world we live in.

16 posted on 11/10/2012 4:06:35 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: YukonGreen

” - - - My solution would be - - - - “

NYC is the center of the World to the people in NYC. ‘It can’t happen here’ was proven horribly wrong with the Snowstorm of 1888, resulting in NYC putting their overhead electrical lines underground, and building a World-Class Subway System, which exists to this day. Well, until it was partially flooded by Storm Sandy.

Back then they had Great Capitalists running NYC.

Today, they are a bunch of addled Obamanation Slaves.

Will they bother to visit The Netherlands and see what the experts have come up with since 1888?

I seriously doubt that the Mafia will allow the Unions to allow the politicians to do so. After all, New York City is the center of their World - - - .

17 posted on 11/10/2012 4:21:13 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Alberta's Child
In the case of a big hurricane like Sandy, you will need to go hundreds of miles to avoid soggy campsites.

Wherever you go, a car full of valuables is gonna be a problem, limiting your ability to leave it for any length of time. Someone is gonna need to guard the car all the time. Thieves are quick & everywhere. A big screen TV sitting in the back seat of a locked car says, "bust the window & steal me", in about 15 seconds.

Motel rooms are bad places to store your valuables. Motel staff cannot be trusted & everybody has a key to your room. While away from the room you are at risk.

You've got me to thinking. Maybe drive to another, safer town & rent a storage unit. Heck, you can sleep there if need be, & most have a light socket that can be used as a power plug with the right adapter. These places are far more secure than your home or car. Store your stuff there & stay at that cheap motel or camp.

I wonder how many NYers wish they had rented a storage unit somewhere high & dry, whether they evacuated or not? A $100/month unit & a day of moving stuff prior to the storm would have been priceless for anyone living in Breezy Point or the Rockaways.

All that said, evacuation sux, no matter how you do it.

18 posted on 11/10/2012 4:23:16 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Alberta's Child

It’s a personal choice. One thing it’s fine if you have a place to go so if you have planned and prepared a BOL then go for it.

But one rule it has been my observation that in most SHTF situation it’s the refugees that end up suffering the most. And once you leave your house you are essentially a refugee.

19 posted on 11/10/2012 4:29:54 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Paisan

In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20

But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8

Sandy’s lesson is right before your eyes just as it was with Katrina; You either prepare and stand on your own or you can depend on a bunch of self-serving politicos, third class bureaucratic and chance to provide your basic needs.

Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo. Maybe while you stand there you will get a chance to a prop in some politico’s photo op and even get your picture on the national news.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:


For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, gas cans, cooking stove/fuel, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

I also like to recomend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom (Please Blog Police let this one slide!) Where you can get lots of useful information like:

And More

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.
Underestimation can be fatal.”

20 posted on 11/10/2012 4:35:01 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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