Posted on 11/22/2012 6:35:12 AM PST by possum john
On Christmas Eve of last year, I wrote an article expressing my disgust and frustration with the Republican Party. Now, almost a year later, the GOP has once again proven that it has become a completely ineffective vehicle with which to advance the conservative agenda. The election is over, and now is the time to start the process of choosing a suitable replacement.
This is not a step I take lightly. For more than 30 years I have been a loyal Republican, serving in positions within the party as well as being a vocal supporter of GOP candidates and the party itself. For years I excused the failings of the party and did what I could to bring about change from within. During that time it became increasingly clear that the party organization was more interested in playing political games for the sake of winning elections rather than advancing an agenda. It also became increasingly clear that they were not even very good at playing the game. The fact that the GOP was unable to win an election against the undisputed worst President in modern history is testament to need for new direction.
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“I’ve got to read this whole thread; was checking “latest comments” and read the below by the 3 Stooges, what an apt name! Letting the commie/muzzie/criminal gang win the next 2 to 3 presidencies means utter doom for the USA.”
Wow! When you disagree with someone you also have to try to belittle them and or their ideas. Very mature.
Your opinion is yours and your choices are yours. Let’s talk again over the next 2-3 election cycles and see what’s improved. Looking forward to improvement, but not expecting it.
Remind me again - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of what?
If a party was started called the Green Umbrella Party, the media wouldn’t have to destroy it.
“Nonsense. Destroy the media instead.”
Suggestions? I’m up for pretty much anything, but let’s have a plan, not just words.
(Don’t get excited about my comment about the GUP - I get your point. I’ve made a suggestion on how to change the dynamic. If you come up with a suggestion that is better or has a better chance of success, I’ll be happy to get on board. “Changing the GOP from the inside” is not possible. Just saying “Destroy the media” doesn’t get us anywhere.)
Straw man arguments - I never said we should do the same thing over and over again, and I gave very specific reasons why giving up and letting Dem/thugs have the next 2 or 3 election cycles is suicide.
You did not address any points I made in my comment to you nor my one above to possum john. You will note that I addressed your whining that the MSM trashed the Tea Party and Repub “brands”. Any new party/organization/slogan/ideas/ etc that conservatives come up with will obviously be equally trashed, as the MSM is the hand puppet of lefitsts/Dems. Trying to make it so the MSM “likes” conservatives is idiocy multiplied a millionfold.
We need actual Constitutionalist conservatives running as Rs who are pit bull attack dogs.
There is no doubt that we need Constitutionalist conservatives to run for office, but they fight a losing battle when they have to fight against their own party as well as the Democrats. I have on several occasions seen good conservatives pretty much locked out by the GOP establishment in favor of the more ‘moderate’ candidates. It has gotten to the point that we have little to gain from affiliating ourselves with the GOP.
I have supported true constitutional government all my adult life and am damn tired of flip flopping cowards that bow down to the Bible Thumpers to get nominated and then refuse to fight for the office. What’s with Bob Doyle, John McCain and Mitt Romney? Each and every one refused to take the gloves off and punch back. When Dems are elected they harass Repubs with law suits, phoney charges etc. and even drive them out of office, yet the Repubs never give them any pay back. I wanted a candidate that would publically on nation wide TV during the debates question Obama’s passport, college loan/grant applications and his claim to citizenship lies. Make him put up or shut up. Instead we got an ultra nice guy that had the election ripped away from him when he had it made.
LJ wrote: “You did not address any points I made in my comment to you nor my one above to possum john. You will note that I addressed your whining that the MSM trashed the Tea Party and Repub “brands”. Any new party/organization/slogan/ideas/ etc that conservatives come up with will obviously be equally trashed, as the MSM is the hand puppet of lefitsts/Dems. Trying to make it so the MSM “likes” conservatives is idiocy multiplied a millionfold.”
LJ, here is your entire response to me:
‘We abandon the presidency for the next 2-3 cycles and concentrate our efforts on getting Tea Party-type people into a majority position in the House and Senate - local and state efforts, not national efforts - more under the radar. If we’re able to get a majority of conservative candidates into congress, whoever is President is immaterial.’
More actual conservative Congressmen is good; fat chance on Senators, and to top it all off, with massive election fraud now the Dems SOP plus ruling by Executive Order and Fed agencies by unilateral fiat, we’re freaking doomed without serious fightback. Giving up on anything but Dem/thug presidents for 2 or 3 cycles is utter suicide.”
Did you read what I wrote? Do you understand the phrase “under the radar”?
Just what “points” am I supposed to respond to? Your snarky opinion about the 3 Stooges? Your agreement with me that actual conservative congressmen is good? Your OPINION that there is a “FAT CHANCE” that we’ll get more conservative senators - addressed to a Texas resident who just helped elect Ted Cruz? Your OPINION that any other way than through the Democrat Lite, I mean, Republican, Party “is utter suicide” ?
Didn’t read your post to Possum John - don’t care what you said to him and it has nothing to do with our “conversation” - or the conversation I was trying to have with you. In the future, if you want me to pay attention to something you say, then make sure you copy me on it.
All I did was make a suggestion that we need to look at a different strategy, because what we’ve been doing for the last 20 YEARS isn’t working. If you don’t agree with my OPINION, fine. I never presented this as FACT - other than the media destroying (with their help) the GOP brand. Haven’t been able to figure out how that was interpreted as “whining”, or how anything I said could be interpreted a a need for the media to “like” us. I’m still working on those leaps.
What is it with you that you can’t have an adult conversation without slamming someone for thinking differently, belittling their ideas or calling them names? You act like you’re 16 years old and have ALL the answers, just like we all did when we were 16 - before we found out there was a lot of stuff out there that we didn’t even know existed, figured out that people have different opinions for very good (or bad) reasons and that there are just some people who can’t face reality and do what is necessary to save their own lives.
When you’re ready to discuss the subject like an adult without the snarky comments, get back to me, or not. Otherwise, we’re done. (I expect to get a snarky reply from you, but I’m looking forward to being happily disappointed. I just don’t think you’ll be able to let it go. I couldn’t when I was 16.)
Bump for Later.
Was it really that hard?
That is why Repubs with actual conservative ie Constiutionalist principles, and guts, need to take over the R party.
Regarding whining about the MSM destroying the Repub/Tea Party "brand", they will similarly dump on anything else they don't like. Since they are as I noted above, the hand puppets of leftists, anything other than rank socialism/marxism/racism/muzzie-ism and faggotism will be ignored and destroyed by them. So trying to get the MSM to be nice is a lost cause. And thus trying to go third party at this point would immediately ensure said third party to be trashed and destroyed by the MSM; thus an R party, Tea Party and any other party would all be destroyed by the MSM. The only way to counteract this - a strategy as I noted above and also copied below - is to get actual conservative Rs running for as many offices as possible, who are attack pit pulls and not whiny cry babies/RINOS/self serving creatures or typical elite professional politicians.
And even if a third party somehow becomes a viable option (say if the RINO GOP members refuses to let go their hold), then my strategy still applies. Character and principles and courage is what is needed, then the tactics will will appear as a result. Without the people with courage and principles, no strategy or tactics cooked up will ever change a thing.
I agree we need a different approach. A few thoughts:
1. Actual conservative candidates with courage and a unsurppressable fighting spirit who are willing to fight other Rs on conservative issues and any corruption.
2. Above candidates must be not only ready, willing and able but straining at the leash to attack the leftist MSM and take on election fraud.
3. State Rs need to go after election fraud with guts as someone mentioned above.
Basically no “tactic” will work other than real conservatives, with guts and fighting spirit. It’s a given that the MSM is nothing but the mouthpiece of hardcore leftists/thugs/Dems. So trying to make nice with them or cater to them is a losing tactic.
I agree with what you said except what do you mean about Bible Thumpers? You think anyone who believes in religious principles is a weakling, or that we should get rid of social conservatism, or something else?
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