Posted on 01/03/2013 12:29:36 PM PST by butterdezillion
I just found out that all the faxes I sent to the Republican members of Congress have been referred to just the 3 Congress-critters who represent me. I need everybody to contact your own Congress members and let them know that Hawaii registrar Alvin Onaka has certified to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is not legally valid.
Bennett asked Onaka to verify, among other things, that Obama, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961, in Honolulu on Oahu to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. According to Hawaii law, Onaka has to verify any submitted information if he can certify that the birth actually happened that way. And though Onaka verified that the claims on the White House image are claimed on the record they've got, he did not verify the truth of any of those facts. The only lawful reason for that is if the record they have is not legally valid.
You can see the documentation for all this at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf
Two other verifications (to MDEC and to KS SOS Kris Kobach) are also consistent with a non-valid record. Onaka has been willing to say that the claims that are actually on the White House image "match" the claims on the record but is NOT willing to say that the information is "identical" or that the White House image is a "true and accurate representation of the original record on file". His refusal to verify what he was specifically asked is his confirmation that those things are NOT true. It is NOT a true and accurate representation of the original record and the information in it is NOT identical to the information in the real record. IOW, the White House image is a forgery.
Which is what affidavits by Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Cold Case Posse commander, Mike Zullo, also say.
This fits with the 1960-64 birth index being altered to include non-valid records (which I've proven in an affidavit filed for a NE criminal case). And a bunch of other evidence too.
The long and short of it is this: Hawaii has officially certified that they cannot verify Obama's date of birth, city and island of birth, and parents' names. Those are critical to eligibility. With no legally-established birth facts, there is nobody who can certify that Obama is eligible, and every Official Certification of Nomination that Bob Bauer sent to the state SOS's to get Obama on the ballot are fraudulent at best.
IOW, every electoral vote that Obama got was the result of legally-acknowledged (by Hawaii) fraud.
We need the members of Congress to know that every electoral vote for Obama that they accept tomorrow is a vote to accept known criminal behavior.
Please help me get this word out to everybody, since the "machine" will only let me contact 3 people, and I've already done that. We need one Senator and one Representative to object to all the known-fraudulent electoral votes for Barack Obama.
How about you go multi-task yourself!
IIRC, the original PDF (actually, there IS no such thing, as PDF documents were not even in existence in 1961) had a declaration that stated something like this:
I certify that this is an ABSTRACT of information on file...
signed by Onaka (or whoever)
An “abstract” is a COLLECTION of different information. Possibly from different files.
And he was right, sounds to me. There was all these “pieces” cut and pasted from various files, in different fonts, etc.
NEVER was there a certification that all the info on the PDF came from files related to Obama. NEVER!
More better.
What all too often gets lost in the noise of the birth certificate flap is that if "Obama" is telling us the truth about his birth narrative, he is ineligible for the office he enjoys because of a lack of Natural Born citizenship derived from the potential for divided loyalties extant due to having a foreigner as a purported father.
Thank you.
Thank you, Art. Hopefully he’ll look at it.
Thank you so much, Lucy.
No, it has not been debunked. Here is what I posted over at the link you gave (I tried to find Orly’s comment on her site so I could correct her but couldn’t find it):
This is Butterdezillion, the source of this story. My blog is at http://ww.butterdezillion.wordpress.com
Yes, it is for real. Attorney Larry Klayman sent a letter to DNC Attorney Bob Bauer explaining the legal reasoning and documentation for it, which was also confirmed as legitimate by Mario Apuzzo and Larry Elgin. The Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee also showed by their actions that they understood Onaka to have confirmed a non-valid record, because their verification request was specifically fashioned to work with a non-valid BC as well as a valid one. You can see what Klayman said at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf
The media didn’t show the actual application that Bennett sent, or the laws which govern Onaka’s response, so they reported the exact opposite of what Onaka actually did. Bennett requested that Onaka verify that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961, in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. HRS 338-14.3 requires the registrar to verify ANY fact submitted for verification if he can certify it as the way the birth actually happened. But Onaka’s verification did not verify ANY of those facts.
Onaka did verify that the claims on the White House image are also on the record they have, so if it was a valid record Onaka would have had to verify all the above. The fact that he DIDN’T shows that the record itself is non-valid.
What was posted by Hendershot was a letter to Congress that I posted on my blog and at Free Republic. Redacted from it is a link to an affidavit that I filed for a criminal complaint against DNC Counsel Bob Bauer. That affidavit has all the documentation to prove the claims I made. I kept that link private because my affidavit has contact information for colleagues who worked with me to acquire the documentation. The Congress members would have access to that proof so they could see that these claims are well-documented and substantiated. Unfortunately, when this was posted it had no attribution to it and so people had no idea where it came from or what it was based on. Check out Klayman’s letter to Bob Bauer and you will see why this is true.
Thats correct.
On the flip side...imagine what would happen if it was finally determined that he hasn't been telling us the truth and that Sr. wasn't his legal birth father?
I’ve contacted my representatives through the NRA, although the topic is not on their selected list. My aim is to bring this subject to an effective organization.
Which brings me to another subject. However commendable, however stirring and fearless, however much struggle has been made by butterdezillon, Seizethecarp, 2nd DivisionVet, Nachum et.al., they have given to illuminate this dark corner of our national psyche. A new organizing principle may be more effective in mobilizing our efforts, consistent with our conservative values. These missteps will only be repeated if we are not creative in providing avenues to attack our adversaries. In fact, I believe our efforts can be organized in full daylight of debate and construct strategies for a battlefield of ideas, before we become pawns on a real battlefield. In the meantime let us do what ever we can to individually support our above mentioned friends.
I can call my R rep tomorrow morning, I need to know exactly what to say, like a script. Sorry to be so dense but still really sick.
Thank you very much for your reply. Now I hope and pray that it makes some difference. Our judicial system isn't feeling too well these days, and is a good match for our useless Congress.
Freepmail sent your way just now.
Cantwell is just about as bad as Murray in her loyalty to Obama. If you were to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Obama was an illegal alien, she would be at the forefront of the crowd defending Obama’s human right to be the first illegal alien POTUS. It really is just that bad.
Our Congressman is useless on the issue. I had a conversation with him at my front door one day. He went from being a pest to being unable to leave fast enough on the first hint of the eligibility issue being raised.
These politicians are extremely hostile to the eligibility issue, and that is known from direct experience and not just assumptions. Nothing less than their removal from office will be effective in ending their opposition to the eligibility issue.
Onaka would not verify either the mother or the father (or any other pertinent birth fact, such as date of birth or city and island of birth) so legally speaking, we really and truly have no idea who his parents are or ANY of his birth facts. None of that has been legally determined, according to Onaka’s verification to Ken Bennett - and his verifications to both MDEC and KS SOS Kris Kobach are consistent with the one to Bennett. The only verification request which asked for actual birth facts to be verified was Bennett’s, and though both Bennett and Kobach tried to get him to verify the accuracy of the White House image, Onaka would not verify to Bennett that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” and would not verify to Kobach that the INFORMATION contained in the White House image is “identical to” the information contained in the record on file.
I did speak with Mario Apuzzo about this legal conclusion and he confirmed the soundness of the legal reasoning.
Fantastic idea and thank you for doing that.
The point you make is fantastic. I am not a networker. I am not comfortable working with people and I don’t have the self-confidence to be a leader of people. I am a researcher. I can dig out content long after everybody else has tired, but I am not a people person and desperately need somebody else to do that end of things. We need a way to mobilize people with true facts. This is where Soros’ threats to the conservative media have really, really hurt us - as has the death of Andrew Breitbart. The people who have the megaphones for “conservatives” don’t have (or won’t disseminate) the true facts on the issue that is the Achilles’ heel for Obama. And as long as we rely on “professionals” to inform and mobilize the people, we will be vulnerable to whoever threatens those professionals into silence.
Big issues we need to deal with. But I truly believe that if we don’t stop Obama before January 20th, this country is over and it’ll be too late to organize. As always, I hope I’m wrong in my fears, but I guess we’ll see. In any event, the time between now and January 20th is super, super critical.
As I mentioned in my letter to Congress (which pretty much only Johanns and Adrian Smith got to see), the 20th Amendment says that even after somebody is President-elect (which is after the certification of the electoral vote), that person can STILL “fail to qualify” by Jan 20th, and even if the whole Congress ignores all of this, my understanding is that one member of Congress could still challenge Obama’s ability to “act as President” based on the 20th Amendment. There is still time in the next week or two to try to mobilize our efforts in order to find somebody who will do this. And that’s where the Tea Party, NRA, etc would be really good groups to be networked with. But I’m too isolated and too socially beaten down to be able to do it - and just plain too busy. We need the networkers and people persons to step up and shine in all their glory. I will be SO glad to hand it over to them and take a very, very back seat.
Yes, I know. There are people about whom even the Lord says you have to just shake the dust off your feet and not waste time on them. Too many others who might at least give you a fair hearing. What we need to do is find out who they are - because as I just put in my last comment, Obama’s Constitutional ability to “act as President” can still be challenged on 20th Amendment grounds between the certification of the electoral vote and the inauguration.
If we shake the dust off our feet and just concentrate on the efforts that can actually bear fruit, we can still get a case with standing to force the records to be submitted as evidence and be subject to the Federal Rules of Evidence (meaning that the original paper records, microfilms, and computer transaction logs would have to be available for forensic and legal examination.
And that really has to do with the trolls here too. A lot of stuff is intended to just be distraction. It’s not time to debate the ins and outs with people who never do anything but troll. It’s time for those who recognize what’s going on to combine their networks, know what they are asking and why, and git ‘r done.
We need a non-public avenue to strategize about where best to put our energies. If anybody is interested, Freepmail and we can figure something out. If anybody has any particular skill in networking or mobilizing, or has any valuable contacts or networks that would be critical. Or if they are good at bringing people on board - the people persons - that also would be really critical. Those are skills I don’t have so I need somebody to step up and lead.
I faxed all my representatives again- including Gohmert.
Yes, but the situation has worsened over the decades. I tried to work four our Republican Congressman, Randy Cunningham, at one point. The effort was abandoned after being rtreated with some extreme suspicion by the staffers. Being too uncomfortable to spend any further time around there, I later discovered why the atmosphere was hostile. Cunningham turned out to be crooked and had something to hide.
Back home in Illinois, the county recorder has been getting away with fake vote recounts in which people who were in the room anonymously reported seeing the Republican votes being removed from the count and destroyed.
In Los Angeles County I was denied the right to vote in an election, when the Democrats running the new polling plce illegally removed my name from the list of registered voters and replaced it with the names of illegal aliens who did not live inmy home at my home address. Every effort to file a legal complaint was met with hostility and several intimidating threats to have me arrested for attempting to report the crimes.
Yes, it is very bad out there and has been getting worse for decades.
I’ve been beating the drum for years, mostly to no avail. Either they don’t want to no any better, or they do know better and have given up any hope of ccchanging anything. I know some state and Federal legislators and candidates, Democrat and Republican. I try to keep some of them informed on the rare occasion that they permit it. Cases such as this are getting no attention from them at present, because they refuse to entertain the thought that it could be real or actionable even if real. Still, we persist.
It would be helpful to prepare a very clear and concise executive sunnary (Eligibility for Dummies) on this case, because the people whose attention we are trying to grab absolutely refuse to wade into the minutiae on their own. The mere thought of expecting them to actually read the material is akin to asking them to swallow cod liver oil.
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