Posted on 01/12/2013 10:07:52 AM PST by Mozilla
The Obama administration on Friday responded to the wave of secession petitions that spread online following the November election, preaching unity over division and saying there’s no right to secede.
“In a nation of 300 million people — each with their own set of deeply-held beliefs — democracy can be noisy and controversial. And that’s a good thing. Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted,” wrote Jon Carson, director of the Office of Public Engagement.
“But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don’t let that debate tear us apart,” he said.
More than two dozen states from all corners of the country filed online White House petitions after President Barack Obama’s victory over Gov. Mitt Romney, calling for the government to allow them to secede. Carson’s letter was filed in response to requests from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, all of which garnered the necessary 25,000 signatures.
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So you don’t pay taxes. You get various letters from the IRS, and invited to pay. You have to respond, or you waive your right to court. Then they start the collection process. They are really good at it. Banks, businesses have a lot more to gain by following federal law than from supporting you.
So you go to court, and explain to the tax court judge that you have seceded. Good luck. See you in a few years.
No gun control regulation is likely to pass the House. The rest is fantasy.
Two words....two words in the English language...."I forgot".
Well, no. The supremacy clause says:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
So a state can't simply declare that it's not part of the union and federal laws don't apply to it. Moreover, there is a process by which states are admitted to the union. That a state or something claiming to represent a state could simply break all ties with the United States without the Congress having some say in the matter is unlikely.
Their courts have no jurisdiction over me. I am a sovereign citizen of another state.
Then they start the collection process.
What does that mean? The "collection process" requires cooperation from someone. And if they refuse to cooperate?
Banks, businesses have a lot more to gain by following federal law than from supporting you.
Those same banks and businesses will also be exempt from federal taxes, not to mention the onus of acting as tax collector for the feds. I hardly see how it benefits them to stand with the feds against the people who make their banks and businesses work.
There are all kinds of defeatist reasons why secession is an impossibility. The same was said of the ne'er-do-wells who fought for independence from the Crown. Thank God they didn't listen.
So you go to court, and explain to the tax court judge that you have seceded. Good luck. See you in a few years.
I don't go to court. Or if I do, I'm joined by a few hundred thousands of others. And then let the judge explain to US why he's defending tyranny.
And if I see you in a few years, it will probably be from the opposite side of a barricade.
I don't go to court. Or if I do, I'm joined by a few hundred thousands of others. And then let the judge explain to US why he's defending tyranny.
And if I see you in a few years, it will probably be from the opposite side of a barricade.
Great rebuttal to the defeatist doom and gloomers, Jack. That's the spirit of '76.
I like the one about the states can't secede because of the power grid. Have you heard that one yet? LOL
Yea...right on...that’ll show ‘em. Let us know when visiting day is.
I understand that Denzel Washington just got out, so there is probably room for you now.
I don’t think they will be able to contact us, unless once incarcerated they sell out enough that the warden lets them have internet access.
I'll bet you'd be hard pressed to find a successful separationist movement that wasn't full of emotional intensity.
I would imagine visiting day is whenever your master lets you out. As for me, it’s whenever I choose to entertain visitors. After all, I am a free man.
I’m not sure what Denzel Washington just got out of, but I doubt it would be anyplace I’d care to frequent.
Thanks for the tip though.
He was in jail for tax evasion...
He was in jail for tax evasion...
Whoops, that was Wesley Snipes...
Good leadership can channel those emotions constructively. Bad leadership lets emotions run wild.
Of course, "good leadership" can take what seems like forever to achieve independence, but a recognition that the actual real-time well-being of citizens takes precedence over independence which in turn should prevail over rage and vengeance isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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