Skip to comments.California Tries to Counteract Residents Fleeing Increased Taxes
Posted on 01/18/2013 9:39:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
After California residents voted to increase taxes via Proposition 30, state revenues have decreased, and residents and businesses are leaving to avoid burdensome taxes and regulations.
However, as Forbes notes, leaving California is not always easy; the state considers anyone in the state for anything other than a temporary or transitory purpose as a resident.
The burden is on the taxpayer to show they are not a Californian. The state presumes anyone who has been in California for at least nine months is a resident.
It usually takes 18 months for someone to no longer be presumed a resident, which can make it difficult for people who flee the state to convince the state government they are no longer California residents...
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I’m surprised California has not put an EXIT tax payable at the border.
How much you got?
Turn it over!
I never spent a minute in Oklahoma or Arkansas that I didn't have to.
Sometimes, you just need to tell folks to sit down and shut up. And maybe be harsh about it.
I’m military, so I don’t pay taxes in CA. I wonder when they’ll discover that thousands of CA military don’t pay taxes? Of course, if they were to do that, then I would reconsider maintaining CA as my home state.
A reverse of the Okie invasion? Nothing would surprise me any more.
I lived in CA a long time ago, and about 10 years after I left I got a letter from the Franchise Tax Board. I wrote back sort of rudely, but without using bad words, although I wish I had, and never heard from them again. But if I get another letter from them I most certainly will be using bad words. I left CA for a reason.
How does CA figure you are still a resident when another state considers you a resident because you are already licensed in said state?
How does CA figure you are still a resident when another state considers you a resident because you live and are licensed in said state?
My parents bought several acres of land out in Apple Valley in the early 1950’s. The contract stipulations of who they could re-sell the land to are the most racist things I’ve ever read.
I hit stop and edited but it posted both.
One day they’ll speak of an iron curtain separating California from the rest of the country.
Pound sand California. I’m leaving. (eventually)
Never mind NY. East Germany did play a similar game.
So just raise taxes on those who remain. Problem solved!
(They probably will).
Yes, it's typical of high-tax Democrat states. New York was still going after Rush three years after he relocated to Florida.
But eventually even the California state employees guarding the border with Nevada will decide to evacuate.
It's time to build a fence between California and America.
Gotta get my kids out first, OK?
Same here. But it won’t be easy. We have a production company right here in faggotland (W Hollywood) and Texas does not have the infrastructure to accommodate our type of entertainment industry.
Yes NY plays this game.
I think it is ten years since Rush Limbaugh left NY moving his business and residence to Florida, yet they still harass him every year for taxes; forcing him to prove that he did not do business in NY.
And Jim. Gotta get Jim out, too, before the fence goes up. And all the other Freepers...
most high end residental areas in California in the 40s had racial restrictions but most were removed by the 50s.
1. It helps if your company is transferring you to another state.
2. Re-register your car a.s.a.p.
3. Register to vote in your new location.
4. Ensure old post office has your change of address instructions.
5. Tell the California Franchise Tax Board: “Since you don’t give a damn who comes into this state, or from where, I wasn’t aware I had to ask permission to leave!
About 30 years after we left CA our business in the Pacific Northwest got a bill for 250k from California. I called and told them we didn’t owe because we never did business in CA and this happened about 4 times more before they finally got the picture.
I’d love to move back there but we’re just not rich enough to pay for all those takers the state would assign to us.
They’ll be like the Marylanders in Southern Pa., they came here to flee high taxes but they never met a tax or regulation they didn’t like and now bring their merry hell to this neck of the woods.
I lived in CA from 1960 to 1970 and left at age 11. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to tax me.
I’ll be leaving sooner rather than later. I’m a Confederate rebel.
Which State will become the first 100% government-operated State: New York or California, after all private sector businesses have fled???
Well, at least the California reds still allow people to leave. Communists are known for walling in the slaves.
I hear E Berlin has a few extra bricks and guard towers for sale cheap.
Then there's this guy.
"California man empties grandkids' piggy banks to pay his $14,000 property tax bill in CHANGE"
After moving to Texas in 2005, we got letters from the California Franchise Tax Board, demanding we pay $800 for the each of the years since we'd left. That went on for at least three years.
I've never answered them, but maybe I should. They're probably still racking up tax bills on that corp., which no longer even exists.
That guy should have kept the change, the nickels at least are worth more than paper.
That or wheat pennies.
But you can never leave....
But you can never leave....
It’s risky just passing through California. A few years ago we were sailing from Washington to Hawaii and ducked into Eureka Harbor to shelter from bad weather. We were there for six weeks. They sent us a bill for property taxes on our boat, a USCG Documented vessel, registered home port in Honolulu.
I got out of CA in 2005 (to Washington), but have been back for the past 13 months dealing with the mother-in-law’s estate. Leasing the house in WA out for a second year while we sort this mess out in L.A. So far I’m still maintaining that I’m a WA resident... renewing my car stuff remotely, paying business taxes online in WA, and so on. We’ll see what happens.
“The contract stipulations of who they could re-sell the land to are the most racist things Ive ever read.”
That’s funny, when I bought my current house in Reno, I actually had to sign a document that I would never sell, nor rent to any non-caucasian. They are regulations from the 1930’s that never got taken off the books. (those regulations are obviously no longer enforced, but you still have to sign it)
I have a sinking feeling CA will be used as some sort of gov't "lab experiment" to show the rest of the nation.
The CA legislature is doing everything they can to force private sector and legal citizens OUT..
I’ll pay my taxes for doing my time in this pit. Sure they’ll try an unconstitutional exit tax soon, but I’ll be long gone...
In organized crime, they call it a shakedown. In government, they call it paying your fair share. They’re essentially the same thing though, government and organized crime that is.
Well Prop 30 that just passed in Cali was retroactive
for the 2012 tax year
In 1952, my second-oldest brother, a California resident at the time, joined the Air Force, and was sent to Texas for training.
Got a Texas drivers license, and registered to vote in Texas; then was sent to England for most of the rest of his 20 years, except for some time in Italy & back in Texas for advanced training.
He mustered out in Texas, and bought a home there.
California then wanted 20 years of back taxes, interest, and penalties, because they still considered him a resident: since he had enlisted while a California resident, until he RETURNED to California post-service, then moved out of state AND then established residency elsewhere, he was STILL a California resident.
It took legal action, and a lot of time & headaches to straighten the mess out.
California wanted a pro-rata share of my retirement when I retired, if I changed residency, and had vesting—I did—BUT instead, I cashed it in when I took an out of state job & left California. The hit was cheaper than having them ding me every year the rest of my life.
California is a great place to be from—FAR from.
See my #47 below about my “California” USAF Texas brother & the Franchise Tax Board.
I also had some experience in leaving California, although for me, it was easier, as I work for a big, bad, corporation (my only income), and they will report my residence-status to the state, based on the legal definition. So when I was finally able to leave, California would have had to take on my company, instead of me, to try to wring out more money.
But what drove me to leave in the first place, decades ago, even as a very young worker, was the fact that California had a field office in Las Vegas, where they hunted down retirees from California, that were getting pensions (and probably 401k/IRA disbursements), but no longer living in the state. If you lived in CA, it was clear, you would be taxed on that money - but if you worked 20 years in CA, then spent the next 10 years in another state, and retired in another state (Nevada, in that case), you worked 20 of your 30 years in CA, and CA wanted tax access to 20/30’s or two thirds of your retirement money (i.e., they expected you to pay California income tax on it, even through you did not live in CA at all). In other words, your employment in CA followed you to your death bed, anywhere in the country (and perhaps much of the world).
Their rationale was that you earned the above money tax-deferred from CA, so now they wanted to come back and retrieve that money. I understood them to be the only state in the country doing this stunt.
While I’m sure many of CA’s younger, capitalism-hating, government workers in Sacramento thought this was a really cute way to extract money from people that couldn’t vote, I doubt they considered the effect it did have on workers like myself. In my case, I saw that and concluded that I MUST LEAVE California as quickly as possible, and I did...for Texas, never to look back.
While there were many factors making me leave (cost of living, income tax, schools, crime, etc.), I was young and I knew that I could get away from all of that just by moving - but I could not get away from their tax people, that would scour the country (and maybe the world), looking for me, until my family could show them a partially decomposed body with my fingerprints still on it.
So they lost me and something on the order of $250,000 over the next several decades, in direct income taxes, sales taxes, and fees (like overpriced car registration), and probably at least as much indirectly (i.e., through money I would have otherwise spent there) - and that was all for what would be a small amount of retirement money, maybe $1,000 per year for 10 to 20 years. So they now get none of that.
I sure hope they’re proud of themselves.