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California Tries to Counteract Residents Fleeing Increased Taxes
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | January 18, 2013 | Tony Lee

Posted on 01/18/2013 9:39:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

After California residents voted to increase taxes via Proposition 30, state revenues have decreased, and residents and businesses are leaving to avoid burdensome taxes and regulations.

However, as Forbes notes, “leaving” California “is not always easy”; the state considers anyone in the state for anything other than a temporary or transitory purpose as a resident.

The burden is on the taxpayer to show they are not a Californian. The state presumes anyone who has been in California for at least nine months is a resident.

It “usually takes 18 months” for someone to no longer be presumed a resident, which can make it difficult for people who flee the state to convince the state government they are no longer California residents...

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Doesn't New York state play a similar game?
1 posted on 01/18/2013 9:39:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m surprised California has not put an EXIT tax payable at the border.

How much you got?

Turn it over!


2 posted on 01/18/2013 9:42:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My 2nd ex divorced me from Oklahoma. OK sent me a tax form. I wrote bad words on it and sent it back, postage due.

I never spent a minute in Oklahoma or Arkansas that I didn't have to.

Sometimes, you just need to tell folks to sit down and shut up. And maybe be harsh about it.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/18/2013 9:44:56 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m military, so I don’t pay taxes in CA. I wonder when they’ll discover that thousands of CA military don’t pay taxes? Of course, if they were to do that, then I would reconsider maintaining CA as my home state.


4 posted on 01/18/2013 9:47:54 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

A reverse of the Okie invasion? Nothing would surprise me any more.


5 posted on 01/18/2013 9:54:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I lived in CA a long time ago, and about 10 years after I left I got a letter from the Franchise Tax Board. I wrote back sort of rudely, but without using bad words, although I wish I had, and never heard from them again. But if I get another letter from them I most certainly will be using bad words. I left CA for a reason.


6 posted on 01/18/2013 9:54:33 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How does CA figure you are still a resident when another state considers you a resident because you are already licensed in said state?


7 posted on 01/18/2013 9:56:32 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How does CA figure you are still a resident when another state considers you a resident because you live and are licensed in said state?


8 posted on 01/18/2013 9:57:15 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: coloradan; JRandomFreeper

My parents bought several acres of land out in Apple Valley in the early 1950’s. The contract stipulations of who they could re-sell the land to are the most racist things I’ve ever read.


9 posted on 01/18/2013 9:57:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: philetus

I hit stop and edited but it posted both.


10 posted on 01/18/2013 9:58:06 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One day they’ll speak of an iron curtain separating California from the rest of the country.


11 posted on 01/18/2013 9:58:34 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pound sand California. I’m leaving. (eventually)


12 posted on 01/18/2013 9:58:51 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never mind NY. East Germany did play a similar game.


13 posted on 01/18/2013 10:04:57 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
After California residents voted to increase taxes via Proposition 30, state revenues have decreased, and residents and businesses are leaving to avoid burdensome taxes and regulations.

So just raise taxes on those who remain. Problem solved!

(They probably will).

14 posted on 01/18/2013 10:05:47 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Doesn't New York state play a similar game?

Yes, it's typical of high-tax Democrat states. New York was still going after Rush three years after he relocated to Florida.

15 posted on 01/18/2013 10:07:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Vee haf vays of makink sure you don't leave.

But eventually even the California state employees guarding the border with Nevada will decide to evacuate.


16 posted on 01/18/2013 10:07:36 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Of course there's the 'leaving town' tax."


17 posted on 01/18/2013 10:08:55 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Moonman62
One day they’ll speak of an iron curtain separating California from the rest of the country.

It's time to build a fence between California and America.

18 posted on 01/18/2013 10:10:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Gotta get my kids out first, OK?


19 posted on 01/18/2013 10:11:55 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Drango

Same here. But it won’t be easy. We have a production company right here in faggotland (W Hollywood) and Texas does not have the infrastructure to accommodate our type of entertainment industry.


20 posted on 01/18/2013 10:13:01 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes NY plays this game.

I think it is ten years since Rush Limbaugh left NY moving his business and residence to Florida, yet they still harass him every year for taxes; forcing him to prove that he did not do business in NY.


21 posted on 01/18/2013 10:15:42 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Lancey Howard; Jim Robinson

And Jim. Gotta get Jim out, too, before the fence goes up. And all the other Freepers...


22 posted on 01/18/2013 10:16:48 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

most high end residental areas in California in the 40s had racial restrictions but most were removed by the 50s.


23 posted on 01/18/2013 10:17:51 PM PST by dalereed
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To: philetus

1. It helps if your company is transferring you to another state.
2. Re-register your car a.s.a.p.
3. Register to vote in your new location.
4. Ensure old post office has your change of address instructions.
5. Tell the California Franchise Tax Board: “Since you don’t give a damn who comes into this state, or from where, I wasn’t aware I had to ask permission to leave!


24 posted on 01/18/2013 10:20:39 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: coloradan

About 30 years after we left CA our business in the Pacific Northwest got a bill for 250k from California. I called and told them we didn’t owe because we never did business in CA and this happened about 4 times more before they finally got the picture.

I’d love to move back there but we’re just not rich enough to pay for all those takers the state would assign to us.


25 posted on 01/18/2013 10:21:28 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’ll be like the Marylanders in Southern Pa., they came here to flee high taxes but they never met a tax or regulation they didn’t like and now bring their merry hell to this neck of the woods.


26 posted on 01/18/2013 10:23:45 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I lived in CA from 1960 to 1970 and left at age 11. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to tax me.


27 posted on 01/18/2013 10:25:30 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll be leaving sooner rather than later. I’m a Confederate rebel.


28 posted on 01/18/2013 10:27:37 PM PST by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Which State will become the first 100% government-operated State: New York or California, after all private sector businesses have fled???


29 posted on 01/18/2013 10:28:37 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, at least the California reds still allow people to leave. Communists are known for walling in the slaves.


30 posted on 01/18/2013 10:29:22 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hear E Berlin has a few extra bricks and guard towers for sale cheap.


31 posted on 01/18/2013 10:33:33 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then there's this guy.

"California man empties grandkids' piggy banks to pay his $14,000 property tax bill in CHANGE"

32 posted on 01/18/2013 10:39:45 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When we were in California, our business was incorporated there, for which we were charged a minimum of $800 a year for the privilege (whether we made money or not).

After moving to Texas in 2005, we got letters from the California Franchise Tax Board, demanding we pay $800 for the each of the years since we'd left. That went on for at least three years.

I've never answered them, but maybe I should. They're probably still racking up tax bills on that corp., which no longer even exists.

33 posted on 01/18/2013 10:42:21 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 444Flyer

That guy should have kept the change, the nickels at least are worth more than paper.


34 posted on 01/18/2013 10:46:54 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

That or wheat pennies.


35 posted on 01/18/2013 10:56:48 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
,,,you can check out any time you want

But you can never leave....

36 posted on 01/18/2013 11:02:47 PM PST by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
,,,you can check out any time you want

But you can never leave....

37 posted on 01/18/2013 11:02:55 PM PST by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They already made a movie about it.


38 posted on 01/18/2013 11:05:42 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s risky just passing through California. A few years ago we were sailing from Washington to Hawaii and ducked into Eureka Harbor to shelter from bad weather. We were there for six weeks. They sent us a bill for property taxes on our boat, a USCG Documented vessel, registered home port in Honolulu.


39 posted on 01/18/2013 11:14:10 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I got out of CA in 2005 (to Washington), but have been back for the past 13 months dealing with the mother-in-law’s estate. Leasing the house in WA out for a second year while we sort this mess out in L.A. So far I’m still maintaining that I’m a WA resident... renewing my car stuff remotely, paying business taxes online in WA, and so on. We’ll see what happens.


40 posted on 01/18/2013 11:14:49 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The contract stipulations of who they could re-sell the land to are the most racist things I’ve ever read.”

That’s funny, when I bought my current house in Reno, I actually had to sign a document that I would never sell, nor rent to any non-caucasian. They are regulations from the 1930’s that never got taken off the books. (those regulations are obviously no longer enforced, but you still have to sign it)


41 posted on 01/18/2013 11:16:56 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; 2ndDivisionVet
Which State will become the first 100% government-operated State: New York or California, after all private sector businesses have fled???

I have a sinking feeling CA will be used as some sort of gov't "lab experiment" to show the rest of the nation.

42 posted on 01/18/2013 11:18:12 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

The CA legislature is doing everything they can to force private sector and legal citizens OUT..


43 posted on 01/19/2013 12:04:25 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll pay my taxes for doing my time in this pit. Sure they’ll try an unconstitutional exit tax soon, but I’ll be long gone...


44 posted on 01/19/2013 12:22:54 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In organized crime, they call it a shakedown. In government, they call it paying your fair share. They’re essentially the same thing though, government and organized crime that is.


45 posted on 01/19/2013 12:30:25 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well Prop 30 that just passed in Cali was retroactive
for the 2012 tax year


46 posted on 01/19/2013 12:38:55 AM PST by funfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In 1952, my second-oldest brother, a California resident at the time, joined the Air Force, and was sent to Texas for training.
Got a Texas drivers license, and registered to vote in Texas; then was sent to England for most of the rest of his 20 years, except for some time in Italy & back in Texas for advanced training.
He mustered out in Texas, and bought a home there.
California then wanted 20 years of back taxes, interest, and penalties, because they still considered him a resident: since he had enlisted while a California resident, until he RETURNED to California post-service, then moved out of state AND then established residency elsewhere, he was STILL a California resident.
It took legal action, and a lot of time & headaches to straighten the mess out.

California wanted a pro-rata share of my retirement when I retired, if I changed residency, and had vesting—I did—BUT instead, I cashed it in when I took an out of state job & left California. The hit was cheaper than having them ding me every year the rest of my life.

California is a great place to be from—FAR from.


47 posted on 01/19/2013 1:21:59 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: exDemMom

See my #47 below about my “California” USAF Texas brother & the Franchise Tax Board.


48 posted on 01/19/2013 1:24:51 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bfl


49 posted on 01/19/2013 1:36:07 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I also had some experience in leaving California, although for me, it was easier, as I work for a big, bad, corporation (my only income), and they will report my residence-status to the state, based on the legal definition. So when I was finally able to leave, California would have had to take on my company, instead of me, to try to wring out more money.

But what drove me to leave in the first place, decades ago, even as a very young worker, was the fact that California had a field office in Las Vegas, where they hunted down retirees from California, that were getting pensions (and probably 401k/IRA disbursements), but no longer living in the state. If you lived in CA, it was clear, you would be taxed on that money - but if you worked 20 years in CA, then spent the next 10 years in another state, and retired in another state (Nevada, in that case), you worked 20 of your 30 years in CA, and CA wanted tax access to 20/30’s or two thirds of your retirement money (i.e., they expected you to pay California income tax on it, even through you did not live in CA at all). In other words, your employment in CA followed you to your death bed, anywhere in the country (and perhaps much of the world).

Their rationale was that you earned the above money tax-deferred from CA, so now they wanted to come back and retrieve that money. I understood them to be the only state in the country doing this stunt.

While I’m sure many of CA’s younger, capitalism-hating, government workers in Sacramento thought this was a really cute way to extract money from people that couldn’t vote, I doubt they considered the effect it did have on workers like myself. In my case, I saw that and concluded that I MUST LEAVE California as quickly as possible, and I did...for Texas, never to look back.

While there were many factors making me leave (cost of living, income tax, schools, crime, etc.), I was young and I knew that I could get away from all of that just by moving - but I could not get away from their tax people, that would scour the country (and maybe the world), looking for me, until my family could show them a partially decomposed body with my fingerprints still on it.

So they lost me and something on the order of $250,000 over the next several decades, in direct income taxes, sales taxes, and fees (like overpriced car registration), and probably at least as much indirectly (i.e., through money I would have otherwise spent there) - and that was all for what would be a small amount of retirement money, maybe $1,000 per year for 10 to 20 years. So they now get none of that.

I sure hope they’re proud of themselves.


50 posted on 01/19/2013 2:08:37 AM PST by BobL
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