Posted on 02/07/2013 12:41:53 PM PST by Sir Napsalot
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I really don't understand this sort of hysteria over the idea of killing Americans who have taken up arms against the United States. Thousands of Americans, Southerners, died in Antietam without any due process. When we stormed the beaches of Normandy on D-day, and Americans approached German bunkers, I don't think anybody asked if they were any German-Americans here, I want to read you the Miranda rights. If you take up arms against the United States you were a target because it was an act of war and you forfeited those rights.
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What’s to stop a dictator from declaring that anyone who opposes him has “taken up arms against the US”? The libs have already laid the groundwork by declaring that Christians, conservatives, and other non-leftists are enemies of the state.
That’s the point. If we’re going to have drones flying over Omaha, then let’s debate it, vote on it, let it go through the vetting process. If Nebraska says no, then the feds should back off. If we’re going to kill US citizens in Yemen, let’s debate it, vote on it, etc.
Where is your Pulitzer Prize-winning story concerning Obamacare and how socialized medicine always means rationing and lowered standards. Patients die in British hospitals every week from dehydration and starvation!
Where is your story on Benghazi, Fast and Furious, illegal appointees, stolen social security number, forged birth certificate?
Don't lecture US on trusting our government! They do NOT deserve our trust! And you want us to grant Obama, Holder, Biden, Pilosi, Clinton a license to drone kill us? They have a man in prison for making a YouTube video for heavens sake!
My biggest issue is that we’re talking about suspects here. We aren’t talking about guys like Bin Laden who have been convicted (in absentia).
This is shoot first, worry about evidence later.
FBI unsure of killing American Citizens! What is Obama up to? video 4:07 Jan. 24, 2013
Seems to me, regular Joes have extraordinary faith in our government and our representatives.
Yet again and again we hear and know abundance incompetence or worse lawlessness and corruptions in ‘our government’.
There is no doubt on going debate/discussion is needed as Dr. K suggested, but the Left/ACLU were quick to point out “freedom fighters” etc etc, once some one is dead, case closed. How do we know the beautiful Neda Agha-Soltan won’t happen here?
Exit question: Waco would not happen (and subsequent Oklahoma city bombing), if drone strike were available at the time? Were people omniscient enough (”legal, ehtical and wise”) to use it?
Our military is supposed to be going after the people who are doing this - not some video game player in the WH who gets to push the “ZAP” button based upon his own whim.
Yet our military is not allowed to fight, barely allowed to kill people on the battlefield, and not even allowed to defend themselves on their bases.
Meanwhile, Obama acts as judge, jury and executioner in front of his TV screen.
There are procedures for charging somebody with treason, and that’s all he’d have to do.
Now he’s just blasting some of the treasonous mutts that he’s had a falling out with; how long until he decides that a citizen of this country deserves to be zapped just because they oppose him and he’s decided on his own that opposing him is treasonous?
To the tune of “Send in the Clowns”:
.............................................
Michelle´s a b!7(# , aren´t we a pair?
Me here at last in DC,
Drones in the air.
Send in the drones.
Isn´t it bliss, Don´t you approve?
The one who keeps tearing it up;
Constitution no more.
Where are the drones? Send in the drones.
Just when I declared all of those wars
Finally taking away all that was yours.
Making my speeches again with my usual flair
Teleprompter my lines, ´cause nothing is here.
Don´t you love Farce? My rule you´ll fear
I thought you´d want what I want.
Not sorry, you fear, But where are the drones?
There must be more drones. Quick, send in more drones.
What a surprise, who could foresee?
I´ve come to hate you even more than you hate of me.
Why only now have you started to see, that all I say.
Is all lies, my life a cliche.
Michelle´s a b!7(# , but me you should fear.
Taking your freedom, the point of my career.
And where are the drones? Quick send in the drones.
Don´t bother, they´re here.
Do you really think that? If you do, then you are implicitly rejecting the Declaration of Independence which explicitly states that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish tyrannical governments... and how would one force abolition of a government? Is it not in human nature to try to hold on to power, especially powers you illegitimately hold? How then would the people attempting abolition of wicked governance not be held to be enemies of that governance? -- Indeed, even they would count that government as opposition.
At the same time citizens of German ancestry were free to go about with their schnitzel, strudel, beer and sausage loving lives.
This guy is a liar. They
put my Italian-American grandmother under house arrest in WW2 - They confiscated her shortwave radio and she could not receive Italian newspapers. She could not leave her property for 3 years. But she hid my grandfather`s pistol which my cousins found in 1998 buried under the cellar cement. But the Mafia smuggled in Italian newspapers during the war for her to read. I still got the radio. All these German-American and Italian-American accounts of house arrests can be found the the local NY newspapers archives.
That said, were these imbeciles around in 1775, they'd have felt the same about the folks who mustered on Lexington Green that April morning.
Does the principle apply to 0bama as he regularly takes up arms against the Constitution?
See abuses by the BATF.
Do you really think that? If you do, then you are implicitly rejecting the Declaration of Independence which explicitly states that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish tyrannical governments... and how would one force abolition of a government? Is it not in human nature to try to hold on to power, especially powers you illegitimately hold? How then would the people attempting abolition of wicked governance not be held to be enemies of that governance? -- Indeed, even they would count that government as opposition.
You know the answer to that...........The ongoing demonizing of firearm owners is all the warning anyone needs.
Damned straight they would use it, right down to the County Sheriff level with all the clarity and reverence to detail given to no knock raids... Many people would die. American Citizens without any due process. All at the hands of some Barney Fife aided by some high school drop out Xbox Live expert at the joystick...
The Hutaree were arrested and charged on less than I see posted at FR every day.
Killing them outright sure would have been a lot less embarrassing to the feds than losing miserably in court because the feds lacked a case.
I don’t want to hear about how it could never happen on American soil because 5 year ago they were saying there would never be drones in American skies.
Exactly. We need to STOP letting them open these doors. The TSA is a perfect example. TSA agents are already showing up at Republican rallies, sports events and bus stations.
This is the same point that Bill Whittle made. Nothing in Washington stays the same size as the box it came in. Once released it mutates and expands and reaches. Do we really want to see where "legal drone executions of American citizens" takes us?
I agree. I have no problem with drone strikes on Americans abroad who have join terrorists groups. I'm sad to see so many conservatives just reflexively oppose this. John Bolton said the current drone policy "appears to be consistent with the policies of the Bush administration.". Bolton supports this policy, so does the American public and I agree with it as well.
US Congressman Tom Graves, a Republican from Georgia, asked the FBI’s Mueller if Holder’s qualifications for an ordered kill could be applied domestically.
“I have to go back. Uh, I’m not certain whether that was addressed or not,” responded an unsure Mueller.
Rep. Graves from there rephrased his inquiry, asking if, “from a historical perspective,” the federal government has “the ability to kill a US citizen on United States soil or just overseas.” Mueller once again suspended an explanation.
“I’m going to defer that to others in the Department of Justice,” responded the director.
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