Civil Unions And The “Conservative” Enablers Of The Progressive Agenda

Flopping Aces ^ | 02-24-13 | Dave the Sage

[Starman417]

Recently I received the invitation below from a group known as “Liberty on the Rocks”.

Are you a libertarian looking to meet others in the Denver area? Want to learn more about libertarian ideals? This isn't about party politics, it's about what's right and how to fight for it. LOTR is not looking for how you vote, but what you believe. Is it in peace? Liberty? Or tyranny, violence and oppression? If you value the former ideals than LOTR happy hour is the network for you!

We'll be joined for a 20-minute discussion (followed by q & a) by Joe Megesey and Mario Nicolas from Coloradans for Freedom, a group of young conservative activists pushing for freedom in marriage at the state level.

They'll kick things off around 7:30 to discuss what they are all about and why. As conservatives, they think this is the best way to promote a free lifestyle as the GOP platform suggests, and they are the ones leading the charge as young, vibrant activists.

Happy hour kicks off at 6pm (specials run through 6:30 so get there early!). We have a fun activity planned around 6:30 for anyone interested - sort of a "speed dating" concept but w/o the dating. More of a "speed getting to know other libertarians".

I hope to see you this Wednesday night!

While the group is itself correctly billed as libertarian, billing “young, vibrant activists” who advocate a “free lifestyle” as conservatives is just silly and, frankly, incorrect. The traditional family is the bedrock of civilization, and true conservatives understand that. Once you abandon the most fundamental of institutions for a societal fad, then you only accelerate the downward spiral into societal, moral, and cultural collapse. Once you have surrendered the culture wars and start to embrace the mainstreaming of homosexuality, abortion on demand, and amnesty for illegal aliens I contend than you no longer can be accurately described as a conservative.

Why so-called conservatives think we should adopt the policies of the Left, and their twisted and perverse societal values, is simply beyond me. The mainstreaming of homosexuality is one of the pillars of the progressive/liberal ideology and conservatives should not be a part of it, nor be enablers of their anti-traditional family agenda. By doing so one only plays into their hands. Civil unions is little more than gay marriage “lite” and in effect just a way of playing semantics to attain their ultimate goals.

It is just another weapon in the arsenal of those seeking to undermine the traditional family structure and is an important part of the progressive agenda.

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[humblegunner]

Been some years since you made a comment, Skippy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:starman417/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

Looks like you just pimp that same blog and then move on to better things.

Anything to say about that?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Starman417. Know your enemy.

• ...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said. [Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften [immigration, gay marriage] stance]

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• One day after announcing on his radio show that he is "truly considering" running in 2014 for the U.S. Senate seat now held by New Jersey's Frank Lautenberg, Rivera amped up his message today in a television interview and a column on the Fox News Latino website... a moderate Republican who is fiscally conservative but also supports gay marriage and Roe v. Wade... [Geraldo Rivera declares himself a 'moderate Republican' as he eyes U.S. Senate run]

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[mnehring]

Civil unions are private contracts between two people. It isn’t just a ‘gay marriage’ thing and the concept has been around before this was an issue. It doesn’t change the definition of marriage, it is simply a contract regarding ownership of property, hospital visitation, etc. Most of the time, there isn’t even a tax recognition like marriage.

Conservatives can support the concept of civil unions and not support gay marriage.

[DungeonMaster]

The traditional family is the bedrock of civilization, and true conservatives understand that.

Uh, why?

[jongaltsr]

The traditional family is the bedrock of civilization, and true conservatives understand that.

Uh, why? (response by obviously gay guy.)

(ANSWER) Well my dear "sweet fellow" because marriage is the biological method humans form their lives so that they can REPRODUCE things we commonly call "Babies". Something two of the same sex CAN NOT DO, no matter how hard they try.

[Perseverando]

Uh, why?

[RightOnTheBorder]

Homsexuality should never be supported but neither should it be legally thwarted. Conservatives should be less concerned about two queers entering a financial contract and more concerned with repealing laws that criminalize us for shunning their behavior.

If two sodomites want to become economically entwined and want to sanctify that with some farcical ceremony it is none of my business. However, if those same two sodomites come into my bakery and want a cake made it should be my right to tell the to pound sand.

Conservatives fall into the trap of argueing over the fairness or societal goodness of homosexual marriage and miss the bigger picture that states and the feds are becoming more aggressive in criminalizing oppossition to homosexuality.

[DungeonMaster]

So you think I'm gay because I'm frustrated by a lack of Biblical reason to oppose sodomites?

funny

[blueunicorn6]

There can never be a true libertarian society because, without laws, people like me would blast every libertarian just to stop the whining.

[jongaltsr]

POST SCRIPT.

I may have offended you but if so “Tough $hinola”. Fags will be Fags and insecure men have existed throughout history and I feel no need to kowtow to any of your kind.

Go stomp your feet. Have a “hissy fit”. Claim prejudice if you want but that works both ways and we all know that.

So long, farewell, goodby..... Hope we never hear from you again.

[mnehring]

This really has absolutely nothing to do with if someone is buggering someone else, who they are attracted to or whatever. None of that applies in these type of contracts.

It is simply the right of individuals to enter into contracts with each other. This isn’t marriage, no legal definitions are being changed or manipulated.

These type of contracts happen with all sorts of people. It is common with elderly who may be estranged from their family or not have any around. They enter these contracts to help take care of property and financial matters if something happens. Also, many regular straight people enter these contracts instead of marriage if they simply don’t want to be married or have some reason not to (divorce isn’t finalized, don’t believe in it, religious reasons, etc).

[DungeonMaster]

Amazing. A straight Christian with a wife of 31 years and 8 kids being called gay. Why? Because I’m a Christian and I don’t think secular arguments against Sodomites work. If you’re afraid to pull out the bible and if you can jump to the wrong conclusion so quickly....what a mess you are.

[Perseverando]

This really has absolutely nothing to do with if someone is buggering someone else, who they are attracted to or whatever. None of that applies in these type of contracts.

It is simply the right of individuals to enter into contracts with each other. This isn’t marriage, no legal definitions are being changed or manipulated.

These type of contracts happen with all sorts of people. It is common with elderly who may be estranged from their family or not have any around. They enter these contracts to help take care of property and financial matters if something happens. Also, many regular straight people enter these contracts instead of marriage if they simply don’t want to be married or have some reason not to (divorce isn’t finalized, don’t believe in it, religious reasons, etc).

It's not just the "gay marriage" issue, or gays in the military, or gay scout leaders. It's much more than that. FWIW, For the Record: The Real Agenda of Gays in the Military. Is this what we want America to look like?

[x]

I guess the theory is that the courts would impose gay marriage anyway if nothing is done and civil unions could prevent that. It's that homosexuality is already here and isn't going to go away. "Gay marriage lite" is already here as well in the form of homosexual couples whatever government does.

Civil unions aren't strictly speaking gay -- or they are and they aren't. The intent is to provide homosexual pairs with the same prerogatives married couples have, but unmarried heterosexual couples could make use of the law as well -- or nonsexual or asexual pairings.

I'm not sure that would be a good thing. It could be an awful thing. But it wouldn't be the same thing as gay marriage. It wouldn't mean that men could have husbands and women wives. Rather, it would mean that a lot of people would be in an ambiguous state of having legally-recognized "partners."

Whether that's a good or a bad thing it is a different thing from gay marriage. Huntwork has a lot of hunting and working to do before his case is proved.

[kabumpo]

you don't understand that it's all the same thing along a continuum - just as Hitler wasn't content with merely reclaiming the Sudetenland, but then went on to invade Poland and the rest of Europe, the gay agenda is one of commitment to the criminalization of all opposition - legal, intellectual, academic moral and religious. They want to redefine reality so that “normal” as we now know it has no meaning, and they will not stop until they have achieved this. This entire thing about wills and hospitals is a canard - thousands of people are widowed, divorced or unmarried and have close friends visiting them in the hospital every day. Anybody may leave their estate to whomever they choose - many have left entire fortunes to charitable institutions and even to their pets.

[GenXteacher]

The traditional family is the soundest biological model. If it were not so, then history would be replete with examples of successful homosexual societies- which it isn’t. In fact, in the most successful civilization, Western Civilization, it was largely suppressed until recently- which, notably coincides with the decline of Western Civilization.....

[familyop]

When Republicans started passing laws for feminists, it was all over. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.

[DungeonMaster]

The traditional family is the soundest biological model. If it were not so, then history would be replete with examples of successful homosexual societies- which it isn’t. In fact, in the most successful civilization, Western Civilization, it was largely suppressed until recently- which, notably coincides with the decline of Western Civilization.....

It seems too me that sodomites would whine about persecution preventing any good examples of gayness in society. They would also cite examples of "loving gay relationships"(barf) while also pointing out examples of hetero abuse. Then it becomes a battle of statistics which confuses liberals because they have little girl brains and can't understand math.

I confess that I'm dependent on the Bible to prove my social positions. When debating liberals, who are Godless, pointing out "the bible says..." makes their heads spin and reminds me of who I'm dealing with.