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Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]
birtherreport.com/You Tube ^ | March 9, 2013 | BirtherReportDotCom

Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter

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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

“That is something we must fight to stop from happening. It goes against our founders original intent.”

Exactly. Yours is one of the clearest-headed posts on this thread.

Is “what’s good for the goose, good for the gander”?
Or... is it not — because the Constitution says so?

If our side is as willing to toss out the requirements of the Constitution, just so that our guy (who isn’t any more “qualified” than their guy was) can get in because we like him — what does that do for our argument as desiring to “protect the Constitution”?


101 posted on 03/09/2013 8:58:29 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Rubios parents were Cuban citizens when he was born


102 posted on 03/09/2013 8:59:16 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Thank you!!


103 posted on 03/09/2013 8:59:28 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Only thing really to do on these threads, sit back, grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.


104 posted on 03/09/2013 8:59:30 AM PST by mnehring
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To: paterfamilias

I have read about Cruz’s father being a Castro supporter and that the family with son Ted lived for for four years in Canada where Ted was born. My take is that birth in Canada sets the ‘natural’ allegiance there unless revoked at age of consent. Whether Ted Cruz has done such I don’t know but in any case he will not be a ‘natural’ born citizen which is tied to country of birth and parentage.


105 posted on 03/09/2013 8:59:40 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: CanuckYank

I think (and hope) you’re right.


106 posted on 03/09/2013 8:59:40 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: mylife

Look.
Here is the wider point.
If Obama was not held to these standards, why do you and Fox want to crucify Cruz?


It’s all for naught unless Ted Cruz in the well of the Senate proclaims Obama to be ineligible due to his proclaimed father’s alien status in 1964.


107 posted on 03/09/2013 8:59:52 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Are you purposely trying to confuse where a parent was born (irrelevant) with what the parent's citizenship is at the time of the child's birth?

What was JQ Adams' wife's citizenship when Charles was born, not where was she born?

-PJ

108 posted on 03/09/2013 8:59:54 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: paterfamilias

The meaning of NBC in the Constitution shouldn’t have been, and wasn’t, subject to legislative reinterpretation.


109 posted on 03/09/2013 9:01:08 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: mdmathis6

The judiciary refusing to take up eligibility cases IS leaving victims - for instance, Ted Cruz, who would never have “standing” to find out if he’s eligible until AFTER he’s spent millions of dollars and lots of time getting nominated. This is asinine. The judiciary IS hurting people by refusing to do their duty.

This is one of the things I said when I presented to the NE legislative committee on an eligibility bill. I said the issue is NOT going to go away with Obama, because we’ve got a lot of (especially R) political leaders who have different birth circumstances that would create questions. The system itself needs to clarify these questions.

What Cruz should do is challenge Obama’s eligibility.


110 posted on 03/09/2013 9:01:13 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: mylife

Or on the flip side, if they make this a big issue and the rats jump on board, then you can invalidate Obama’s presidency.

Strategery?


111 posted on 03/09/2013 9:02:24 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Got a problem? Nothing a drone strike can't fix.)
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To: Road Glide

The problem here is that some are more eager to hold Cruz’s feet to the fire than Obama’s.

Fact is, that all the birther debate DID NOT STOP OBAMA.

WHY BEAT UP CRUZ?

I swear to God, We lose again and again because of the law of man.


112 posted on 03/09/2013 9:02:41 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

To me, this is all BS. Cruz’ mom was American, so he’s good to go. Absolutely, he is eligible. Bob


113 posted on 03/09/2013 9:02:53 AM PST by alstewartfan ("You looked like a still From Cecil B DeMille When I saw you Waiting at my door." Al Stewart)
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To: mylife

From what I have read your statement, “Cruz’s father was also a US citizen at the time of his birth. “ is incorrect.

Wish like hell he was NBC, having campaigned for him in both Primary and General, there is no doubt Cruz is the right man, just slightly the wrong place.

Although its a given the dems will never adhere to NBC or much else in the Constitution, should we, who do beleive in the Constitution, now also look the other way if NBC is in doubt for one of our own? I hope not, as its said “once a camel’s nose is under the tent....”


114 posted on 03/09/2013 9:02:57 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Says who?


115 posted on 03/09/2013 9:03:16 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: EQAndyBuzz

A poor strategery IMHO


116 posted on 03/09/2013 9:03:55 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yldstrk

You’re an illegal alien!


117 posted on 03/09/2013 9:04:56 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

If Cruz chooses to run, his eligibility will be decided by the voters and their electors. The courts know that they have no constitutional authority to rule on a presidential candidate’s qualifications.


118 posted on 03/09/2013 9:05:32 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: mylife

“’Precedent has been set.
Why attack our own?”

Old saying:
“Two wrongs don’t make a right”.

Ever heard of it?


119 posted on 03/09/2013 9:05:38 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: mylife

FOX does not WANT Cruz to be eligible, b/c he is brilliant and conservative. And he means it. So sorry Ann Coulter and FOX, screw you. If Cruz runs, he has my vote. Unless Palin runs as well; then, I’ll have a tough call. Bob


120 posted on 03/09/2013 9:05:44 AM PST by alstewartfan ("You looked like a still From Cecil B DeMille When I saw you Waiting at my door." Al Stewart)
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To: mylife; Road Glide

Precedent has been set. Why attack our own?

#1) If we don't hold ourselves to a higher standard, we appear as hypocritical to those with no standards -- and rightfully so.

#2) It is not an attack to encourage our good men and women to attain offices they are rightfully eligible to hold, and discourage them from seeking offices they are not.


121 posted on 03/09/2013 9:05:44 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: jpsb

Fox is correct. Cruz is not eligible. He isn’t a natural born Citizen born to two U.S. citizen parents.


122 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:03 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: silverleaf

And that means Rubio is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen eligible for the presidency.


123 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:03 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: X-spurt

I reniged on that statement but my conviction here is strong.

Why beat up Cruz?

Cruz is outstanding. He makes me proud.


124 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:15 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Marie

Exactly! It’s called “jus soli.”

That so many Freepers have been brainwashed by Obama’s minions into believing otherwise and attacking those who try to point it out speaks volumes.

Cheers


125 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:28 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: mylife
WHY BEAT UP CRUZ?

You know what this is going to come down to? Instead of focusing what Cruz is doing, all of the future Cruz threads will turn into this food fight. I am counting down the day until he is called a RINO over this issue alone just because the fights will get so heated.

It is always something to distract from strong Conservatives.

Right now Cruz isn't running for President so this exercise is a wast of electrons.

126 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:41 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mylife
If Obama was not held to these standards, why do you and Fox want to crucify Cruz?

Why do some people idolize Ted Cruz, a "newcomer" to the political scene and rookie in the U.S. Senate and want him to become President so badly?

Yes, he speaks well and yes, he seems to be knowledgeable - but then so did Obama to his followers.

I'm just not liking all these different cults of personality that are popping up all over our political scene. It's just not healthy.

127 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:55 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Very well stated...


128 posted on 03/09/2013 9:06:58 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Cruz is a Canadian citizen unless he became or becomes a naturalized citizen.

Just because there is an illegal alien in the White Hut doesn’t make it legal.


129 posted on 03/09/2013 9:08:03 AM PST by dalereed
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To: alstewartfan

The olde guard is pissing their pants over this guy.

Oh all the chatter is about Rand’s stand, but Cruz is the one that has them worried.


130 posted on 03/09/2013 9:08:20 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: B Knotts
no one knows what the actual meaning of “natural born” is until it is tested in the courts.

Oh yeah...ska-rew the communist courts.

It's born of two citizen parents, inside US jurisdiction.

131 posted on 03/09/2013 9:08:45 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: EDINVA

Well, I figure my definition is as good as any one I have seen here. For some reason, I can’t find any definition in the constitution of “natural born” so I figure that means born by entering through the mothers birth canal. Which means, all you C-Section babies can’t be POTUS.


132 posted on 03/09/2013 9:08:55 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: yldstrk

No.

Your baby would be a U.S. citizen because you are a citizen. You will have to register your baby’s birth with a consulate or embassy while overseas.

Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born; naturalized; and citizen-by-statute (derived citizenship from parents). All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate.
The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Natural born Citizen is NOT a type of statutory citizenship.

Natural born is ONLY an eligibility requirement for the U.S. Presidency per Article II, Section 1, clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and requires, as per the Founders, the President to be born in the United States (jus solis) AND of two citizen parents (jus sanguinas).

The definition of natural born Citizen appears in the holding of SCOTUS’s unanimous decision of Minor v. Happersett (1874).

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the Constitution did not grant women the right to vote...

The Minor v. Happersett ruling was based on an interpretation of the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Supreme Court readily accepted that Minor was a citizen of the United States, but it held that the constitutionally protected privileges of citizenship did not include the right to vote.

SCOTUS rejected Minor’s argument that she was a citizen under the 14th Amendmnet of the U.S.Constitution, and examined her eligibility, concluding that she belonged to the class of citizens who, being born in the U.S. of citizen parents, was a natural born Citizen, and not covered by the 14th Amendment. This holding has been used in 25 consequent SCOTUS decisions since 1875.

No one has the RIGHT to be President.

The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States.


133 posted on 03/09/2013 9:09:02 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Both parents were not US passport holders? Ooops, sorry Cruz, but you are still a great US Senator.


134 posted on 03/09/2013 9:09:33 AM PST by jpsb
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To: All

Can the Rubio/Cruz birthers point to any writings from the time of framing of the Constitution to justify their definition of natural born citizen?

Can they point to any case law?

Can they explain the other Presidents (ie NOT Obama) that didn’t meet their Natural Born Citizen criteria?

It’s strange that all these birthers are experts are the natural born citizen clause, but have nothing to support it in case law or from the writings of the Framers.

If the Framers wanted to ensure that you were born in the United States to two parents of American citizenship why wouldn’t they explicitly put that language in the Constitution.


135 posted on 03/09/2013 9:09:57 AM PST by HawkHogan
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To: chaosagent

I think the reason the dem Senate got into this declaration per McCain was to give “precedent” cover to nobama.


136 posted on 03/09/2013 9:10:01 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: mnehring

137 posted on 03/09/2013 9:10:05 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I support Ted Cruz.

I support Sarah Palin.

I likewise support Rand Paul.

Fox is in bed with someone, who is not on that list. I suspect Bush.


138 posted on 03/09/2013 9:10:52 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The judge in Minor vs Happerset case did not rule that. The comments regarding nBC made by the judge were In dicta and were not part of the decision.
139 posted on 03/09/2013 9:11:07 AM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator, Rand Paul for President in 2016)
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To: Road Glide

Your post is a little bit self-righteous, IMO. If this cretin Obama is eligible, I’m not going to eliminate our best candidate. The mother conferred U.S. citizenship on him, period. What’s so hard about that? We Republicans have a nasty habit of eating our own. Bob


140 posted on 03/09/2013 9:11:27 AM PST by alstewartfan ("You looked like a still From Cecil B DeMille When I saw you Waiting at my door." Al Stewart)
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To: autumnraine
Wrong. Obama is ineligible because his father was not citizen and his mother wasn’t eligible by laws at the time to confer citizen by herself alone.

If he was born in the U.S. then her age didn't matter.

141 posted on 03/09/2013 9:12:04 AM PST by 0.E.O
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To: usconservative

a lot of the same folks would have voted for Scott Brown for president 3 years ago

or Herman Cain last year


142 posted on 03/09/2013 9:12:22 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: mdmathis6
I think a constitutional clarification or amendment is needed to cover those circumstances where a person was born to American parents overseas who both were there temporarily and had no plans to be ex-pat.

Here ya go-

§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.
Law of Nations/ Emmerich de Vattel / Book I / CHAP. XIX.
Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It

143 posted on 03/09/2013 9:13:10 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: IMR 4350
That's the beauty and some of the purpose behind natural born citizenship being defined as born in country to citizen parents.

This class of citizenship avoids all legal rights and claims of, by and for that child by any other nation and, to some extent, nationality.

Born in country to citizen parents is the gold standard for undiluted citizenship and would naturally be what the FFs would want for the single person granted essentially one third of the government's power and control of the military.

They were practical and loyal to what they were creating here. No way they'd go with any lesser standard for the highest office.

144 posted on 03/09/2013 9:13:44 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Perdogg

“Sen. Cruz told Sean Hannity on Wednesday that he believed he was eligible to be President.”

It was Hannity that declared Cruz eligible, but Cruz refused to affirm his own eligibility, IIRC.


145 posted on 03/09/2013 9:13:47 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: chaosagent

So? He was born of the realm therefore nbC.


146 posted on 03/09/2013 9:14:17 AM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator, Rand Paul for President in 2016)
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To: mylife
A cursory glance around the twitter and the net more broadly shows a coordinated effort to discredit and disqualify Cruz. But what underlies this smear campaign, and may not be so obvious, is this really circles back to Obama.

The assertion will be that in terms of birth status Cruz=Obama, but with the expectation conservatives will ultimately give Cruz a pass because he isn't black. As if the racist stick used to pummel democrat oppostion hasn't been hopelessly shattered due to overexploitation! Fortunately in coming years Cruz will likely gain a lot more support from certain “minorities” which will blunt that charge or association. I think it will backfire as it unfolds.

But it's never too soon to get started with a slandering of a conservative the left deems threatening; and here we have an interloper determined to prep the battlefield on FR. Disappointing.

Who here doubts Ted Cruz's allegiance to the U.S.A.? Those oposed to his consrvative values trouble me, I don't mind telling you.

147 posted on 03/09/2013 9:14:52 AM PST by Dysart
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To: alstewartfan

No........he is NOT ELIGIBLE!

It is the mindset that you have that we are in this Constitutional crisis as it stands with Obama. Wake up and think Bob.


148 posted on 03/09/2013 9:14:52 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: mylife

“Cruz is outstanding. He makes me proud.”

Making you “proud” doesn’t make him Constitutionally qualified...


149 posted on 03/09/2013 9:15:07 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: mylife

Frankly, they would LOVE for Rand, who is a wonderful guy if quirky, to siphon votes from serious players like Cruz and Palin. I predict that Ted is not running, but Sarah is. Bob


150 posted on 03/09/2013 9:15:19 AM PST by alstewartfan ("You looked like a still From Cecil B DeMille When I saw you Waiting at my door." Al Stewart)
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